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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.09.17 15:08:00 -
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I agree, the only downside to this is that labs aren't going up quickly enough (which is where most of the problem was in any case). All you need to do is relocate to a system a few jumps away and transport your built goods the few hops back again to put them on the market.
What's that??? A builder or scientist has to actually undock at least once a month! Unacceptable! 
Anything that puts the boot into station-limpeting-afk-alts has to be good.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.09.17 15:08:00 -
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I agree, the only downside to this is that labs aren't going up quickly enough (which is where most of the problem was in any case). All you need to do is relocate to a system a few jumps away and transport your built goods the few hops back again to put them on the market.
What's that??? A builder or scientist has to actually undock at least once a month! Unacceptable!
Anything that puts the boot into station-limpeting-afk-alts has to be good.
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Skelator
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Posted - 2004.09.17 23:30:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: Ac3s
good, I see the prices are going up, hopefully some slots will come open so I can begin researching some stuff.
Not a Chance..
As soon as the slot becomes too expensive the greedy owner will try to sell it for 10 to 15 million.
They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards |
Skelator
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Posted - 2004.09.17 23:30:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Ac3s
good, I see the prices are going up, hopefully some slots will come open so I can begin researching some stuff.
Not a Chance..
As soon as the slot becomes too expensive the greedy owner will try to sell it for 10 to 15 million.
They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards |
Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2004.09.18 06:37:00 -
[35]
...and nobody would buy because they know that his is the fact.
It's funny seeing ppl running around screaming "WTS labslots" as if they are the only ones that know about the rental prices....
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2004.09.18 06:37:00 -
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...and nobody would buy because they know that his is the fact.
It's funny seeing ppl running around screaming "WTS labslots" as if they are the only ones that know about the rental prices....
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Viper Bronco
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Posted - 2004.09.19 10:48:00 -
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what is not gonna be funny is when prices start skyrocketing on little things. since the cost to manufacture goods is going thru the roof, that cost must be passed on to the consumers. so if I have pay 500k for factory slots then my prices will reflect a 500k increase.
drive the market ever higher.
and about those lab slots will you be able to afford them when they hit 1 million isk per day. sure they will be free but nobody will be able to afford them except the larger corps or the people who already are using them to make copies to sell to pay for the cost of renting the lab slot for another day.
me I got a couple lab slots, I also have over 300 bpo's. takes time doing research on that many. even just me10/pe10. and that cost also will be charged on my customers in the end
and since prices don't drop when factory slots are not being used, what makes you think they will drop when the lab slots are not being used...
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Viper Bronco
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Posted - 2004.09.19 10:48:00 -
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what is not gonna be funny is when prices start skyrocketing on little things. since the cost to manufacture goods is going thru the roof, that cost must be passed on to the consumers. so if I have pay 500k for factory slots then my prices will reflect a 500k increase.
drive the market ever higher.
and about those lab slots will you be able to afford them when they hit 1 million isk per day. sure they will be free but nobody will be able to afford them except the larger corps or the people who already are using them to make copies to sell to pay for the cost of renting the lab slot for another day.
me I got a couple lab slots, I also have over 300 bpo's. takes time doing research on that many. even just me10/pe10. and that cost also will be charged on my customers in the end
and since prices don't drop when factory slots are not being used, what makes you think they will drop when the lab slots are not being used...
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.09.19 11:06:00 -
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since the cost to manufacture goods is going thru the roof,
umm, no?
even still, the cost to rent a lab slot, is negligible.
I think factory slots still have not gotten expensive enough to make a signifigant increase in item cost to consumer, only enough to slightly cut into the profit margin.
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will you be able to afford them when they hit 1 million isk per day.
1) thats like a year or more off. 2) POS research facilitys should help,
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also have over 300 bpo's. takes time doing research on that many. even just me10/pe10.
umm, not to doubt you here... but WHY IN THE ****ing world would yo buy so many BP's all at once? and you know... ME15/PL5 would probably be a better use of that time.... really though... I just can't conceive of buying so many BP's at once.... whats the point?
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and since prices don't drop when factory slots are not being used, what makes you think they will drop when the lab slots are not being used...
umm... if factory slots are unrented, then it DOES go down... or at least its supposed to.
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And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.09.19 11:06:00 -
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since the cost to manufacture goods is going thru the roof,
umm, no?
even still, the cost to rent a lab slot, is negligible.
I think factory slots still have not gotten expensive enough to make a signifigant increase in item cost to consumer, only enough to slightly cut into the profit margin.
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will you be able to afford them when they hit 1 million isk per day.
1) thats like a year or more off. 2) POS research facilitys should help,
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also have over 300 bpo's. takes time doing research on that many. even just me10/pe10.
umm, not to doubt you here... but WHY IN THE ****ing world would yo buy so many BP's all at once? and you know... ME15/PL5 would probably be a better use of that time.... really though... I just can't conceive of buying so many BP's at once.... whats the point?
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and since prices don't drop when factory slots are not being used, what makes you think they will drop when the lab slots are not being used...
umm... if factory slots are unrented, then it DOES go down... or at least its supposed to.
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To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
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Viper Bronco
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Posted - 2004.09.19 20:43:00 -
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thing is Kel,
The prices on slots are not going down when they are unrented. or even when over 1/2 of the slots are not being used. prices are however continuing to go up.
also at present rate it will take less than 1 year to reach 1 million isk for a factory slot
and yes POS will lessen the load, but if that were the case then people would just wait for POS to come out and use them. but most will not make use of POS for researching. it still is risky to leave you costly BPO's in a station that can and probally will be destroyed by people who enjoy destroying what others have work so hard to get... but that is another thread and not this one
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Viper Bronco
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Posted - 2004.09.19 20:43:00 -
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thing is Kel,
The prices on slots are not going down when they are unrented. or even when over 1/2 of the slots are not being used. prices are however continuing to go up.
also at present rate it will take less than 1 year to reach 1 million isk for a factory slot
and yes POS will lessen the load, but if that were the case then people would just wait for POS to come out and use them. but most will not make use of POS for researching. it still is risky to leave you costly BPO's in a station that can and probally will be destroyed by people who enjoy destroying what others have work so hard to get... but that is another thread and not this one
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Nicodemous
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Posted - 2004.09.20 03:19:00 -
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I've got both labs and factories... the labs are around 4k per slot right now and rising, and the factories in my home station (Illinfrik PTS) have fallen to 40k and flatlined, which is what CCP said their minimum rental charge was going to be. So far, it appears as if everything is going according to plan, and if people want cheap factory slots, they'll have to start building in non-highway systems.
Selling in Pator/Yulai/Luminaire/Amarr Prime/Caldari Prime is nice, but not worth the fees. Think of it this way - now we can use the courier system to have our goods hauled from off-highway production stations to on-highway sales stations, and feed the noob economy in the process.. who here wouldn't have jumped at a 3-jump 150k courier the first day they got their indy?
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Nicodemous
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Posted - 2004.09.20 03:19:00 -
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I've got both labs and factories... the labs are around 4k per slot right now and rising, and the factories in my home station (Illinfrik PTS) have fallen to 40k and flatlined, which is what CCP said their minimum rental charge was going to be. So far, it appears as if everything is going according to plan, and if people want cheap factory slots, they'll have to start building in non-highway systems.
Selling in Pator/Yulai/Luminaire/Amarr Prime/Caldari Prime is nice, but not worth the fees. Think of it this way - now we can use the courier system to have our goods hauled from off-highway production stations to on-highway sales stations, and feed the noob economy in the process.. who here wouldn't have jumped at a 3-jump 150k courier the first day they got their indy?
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.09.23 17:31:00 -
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Prices are not by station I believe but larger areas. Consider the region constellation and solarsytem in pricing.
When there are ample amounts of slots availible then we see prices stabilize.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.09.23 17:31:00 -
[46]
Prices are not by station I believe but larger areas. Consider the region constellation and solarsytem in pricing.
When there are ample amounts of slots availible then we see prices stabilize.
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.09.23 18:32:00 -
[47]
Edited by: S'Daria on 23/09/2004 18:35:59
Instead of letting NPCs set prices, why don't WE set the prices?
Let us Auction, eBay like, the slots.
I goto a station, see that all the lab slots are used, so I make a bid.
Slots 1-8 are at 100k
Slots 9-30 are at 200k
Slots 31-32 are at 300k
I make a bid of 150k for one of the #1-8 slots.
If an owner of one of the slot doesn't beat me then I own the slot with the lowest+oldest bid at the end of the slot period. Otherwise he keeps his slot.
Good bad? Ugly as large corps buy up all the slots?
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.09.23 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: S'Daria on 23/09/2004 18:35:59
Instead of letting NPCs set prices, why don't WE set the prices?
Let us Auction, eBay like, the slots.
I goto a station, see that all the lab slots are used, so I make a bid.
Slots 1-8 are at 100k
Slots 9-30 are at 200k
Slots 31-32 are at 300k
I make a bid of 150k for one of the #1-8 slots.
If an owner of one of the slot doesn't beat me then I own the slot with the lowest+oldest bid at the end of the slot period. Otherwise he keeps his slot.
Good bad? Ugly as large corps buy up all the slots?
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Shia Tia
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Posted - 2004.09.24 16:44:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Shia Tia on 24/09/2004 16:47:22
Originally by: Shayleigh Snowflower
BPC's ain't supposed to be sold, the PRODUCT is.
Having BPCs available for purchase is a very important feature. It allows those of us who are not researchers to take these BPCs deep into space and use them to produce what we need. Example, NPC hunters going off into deep 0.0 space need researched ammo and missile bpc's as well as shuttle/frigate bpcs, perhaps an indy bpc to be able to function. Otherwise, after a couple hours of NPC hunting you would have to spend multiple hours traveling to pick up ammunition. As well as multiple trips to get the needed ships into place.
If the lab slots became more expensive at a faster rate, then only the very wealthy would be able to maintain them. If only the wealthy could maintain them, then only the wealthy would be wealthy. If there were too many lab slots then the price of BPC's and in general products would fall due to a high number of researched BPO's and large numbers of BPC's.
Moral of the story:
CCP knows wtf they are doing.
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Shia Tia
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Posted - 2004.09.24 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Shia Tia on 24/09/2004 16:47:22
Originally by: Shayleigh Snowflower
BPC's ain't supposed to be sold, the PRODUCT is.
Having BPCs available for purchase is a very important feature. It allows those of us who are not researchers to take these BPCs deep into space and use them to produce what we need. Example, NPC hunters going off into deep 0.0 space need researched ammo and missile bpc's as well as shuttle/frigate bpcs, perhaps an indy bpc to be able to function. Otherwise, after a couple hours of NPC hunting you would have to spend multiple hours traveling to pick up ammunition. As well as multiple trips to get the needed ships into place.
If the lab slots became more expensive at a faster rate, then only the very wealthy would be able to maintain them. If only the wealthy could maintain them, then only the wealthy would be wealthy. If there were too many lab slots then the price of BPC's and in general products would fall due to a high number of researched BPO's and large numbers of BPC's.
Moral of the story:
CCP knows wtf they are doing.
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NightDragon
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Posted - 2004.09.25 01:39:00 -
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i thought this system was to have it so that everyone would be able to get tehre hands on a research lab/factory slot, right now its getting to the point where only corps can afford the "safe" areas while the rest have to go into less secure regions to get things done, and it wasnt sposed to be based of of supply and demand, cuase i would think, research lab slots will now be in the millions by now
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NightDragon
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Posted - 2004.09.25 01:39:00 -
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i thought this system was to have it so that everyone would be able to get tehre hands on a research lab/factory slot, right now its getting to the point where only corps can afford the "safe" areas while the rest have to go into less secure regions to get things done, and it wasnt sposed to be based of of supply and demand, cuase i would think, research lab slots will now be in the millions by now
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Shakul
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Posted - 2004.09.25 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: S'Daria
Instead of letting NPCs set prices, why don't WE set the prices?
Thats how it works now, except slower and less complicated. Price go up when all the labs are taken, indicating that people think the lab is worth more than what they are paying for it. Prices go up when 2 or more labs are open, indicating that people thing the lab is worth less than what they are paying for it. The current system is working fine, i don't see any reason to change it.
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Shakul
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Posted - 2004.09.25 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: S'Daria
Instead of letting NPCs set prices, why don't WE set the prices?
Thats how it works now, except slower and less complicated. Price go up when all the labs are taken, indicating that people think the lab is worth more than what they are paying for it. Prices go up when 2 or more labs are open, indicating that people thing the lab is worth less than what they are paying for it. The current system is working fine, i don't see any reason to change it.
Auction your items for isk, works sort of like ebay. |
Ogmios
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Posted - 2004.09.26 02:35:00 -
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CCP did say in one of the blogs that the lab and factory slots would both have a minimum cost of ~40k and that they would not drop below that. (Somewhere in that price range) And that prices would rise until they reached that price. After that, the prices would be based on demand.
There was also a description of the pricing method they use. 5% per day on the fee for the slots.
Less than 2 slots free, the prices would continue to rise.
More than 2 slots free, prices were supposed to start to fall back towards the 40k mark.
And if slot prices are to high, you can always move somewhere else to build/research. Prices are 40k most other places for factory slots.
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Ogmios
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Posted - 2004.09.26 02:35:00 -
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CCP did say in one of the blogs that the lab and factory slots would both have a minimum cost of ~40k and that they would not drop below that. (Somewhere in that price range) And that prices would rise until they reached that price. After that, the prices would be based on demand.
There was also a description of the pricing method they use. 5% per day on the fee for the slots.
Less than 2 slots free, the prices would continue to rise.
More than 2 slots free, prices were supposed to start to fall back towards the 40k mark.
And if slot prices are to high, you can always move somewhere else to build/research. Prices are 40k most other places for factory slots.
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.09.26 05:39:00 -
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Can't wait til I can build my own Research station 
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.09.26 05:39:00 -
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Can't wait til I can build my own Research station
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Shakul
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Posted - 2004.10.02 03:56:00 -
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I wished they had bumped lab costs up to 40k, instead of waiting for 5% increases to get it up there. This would have cut off around 50 days of waiting.
Auction your items for isk, works sort of like ebay. |
Shakul
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Posted - 2004.10.02 03:56:00 -
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I wished they had bumped lab costs up to 40k, instead of waiting for 5% increases to get it up there. This would have cut off around 50 days of waiting.
Auction your items for isk, works sort of like ebay. |
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