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Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.06.11 00:23:00 - [91] Originally by: skilzrulz This is located in a high sec system with a few guns. No BS blob is going to take down a tanked medium sized POS. Remember, its not for the profit its for the lulz. And the fact that you would even think about a medium sorta puts me even more in the waver category. I'd rather have any prints and the copy chains for those prints in the hands of someone who publicly knows how to organize a POS network and defense chain for it. No offense to you skilz, its more just observation of the risk you're asking potential investors here and the things they have to weigh on.
skilzrulz Gallente 0neZeR0 Enterprises	Posted - 2009.06.11 00:26:00 - [92] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: skilzrulz This is located in a high sec system with a few guns. No BS blob is going to take down a tanked medium sized POS. Remember, its not for the profit its for the lulz. And the fact that you would even think about a medium sorta puts me even more in the waver category. I'd rather have any prints and the copy chains for those prints in the hands of someone who publicly knows how to organize a POS network and defense chain for it. No offense to you skilz, its more just observation of the risk you're asking potential investors here and the things they have to weigh on. You do know that you do produce BPCs from the station, so 0% risk of the asset getting destroyed.
Mordou	Posted - 2009.06.11 00:29:00 - [93] Edited by: Mordou on 11/06/2009 00:32:26 Originally by: skilzrulz Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: fugazii Is it just me or does anyone else notice half the people saying this is a scam are also saying send me the isk instead a line below? Anyone who has any dealings with T2 BPO market knows who skilz is. Though it's quite obvious that falls on deaf ears in a subsection full of margin traders, and the general poor. Actually its not that I don't trust him, I know who he is. my issue is there is not nearly enough obfuscation of the project to prevent some stray BS blob landing on your POS that day and disrupt profits for the next few months. This is located in a high sec system with a few guns. No BS blob is going to take down a tanked medium sized POS. And that right there is why I wouldn't invest in this venture. You are likely not a scammer, and if you are it doesn't matter. A BS blob would rip apart a "meduim tanked POS". Also, the fact that you gave out the location, and only put a "few" guns on it makes me think that you don't know how to properly defend a POS. But a BS blob kicking over your POS would certainly hold things up a bit.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.06.11 00:29:00 - [94] Originally by: skilzrulz You do know that you do produce BPCs from the station, so 0% risk of the asset getting destroyed. Yes, its not the asset being destroyed that is the issue. The issue is the profit chain being broken. With Capital ship copying and research once you break the chain you effectively loose time (read profit) in weeks, months not days or hours as with other forms of research. One lost copy and you are out for that months divs pretty much. It is a risk, and something that has to be negated as much as possible.
glas mir Reaction Scientific	Posted - 2009.06.11 00:32:00 - [95] Originally by: skilzrulz You do know that you do produce BPCs from the station, so 0% risk of the asset getting destroyed. You do know that the copy would be destroyed if your POS dropped into reinforced.
skilzrulz Gallente 0neZeR0 Enterprises	Posted - 2009.06.11 00:34:00 - [96] Originally by: glas mir Originally by: skilzrulz You do know that you do produce BPCs from the station, so 0% risk of the asset getting destroyed. You do know that the copy would be destroyed if your POS dropped into reinforced. Unfortunately it's really hard to kill a death star in high sec status.
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2009.06.11 00:38:00 - [97] Edited by: Professor Leech on 11/06/2009 00:39:59 A death star not a medium research pos. It's very easy killing pos with bs, especially a medium. They melt so fast. Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
skilzrulz Gallente 0neZeR0 Enterprises	Posted - 2009.06.11 00:42:00 - [98] Originally by: Professor Leech Edited by: Professor Leech on 11/06/2009 00:39:59 A death star not a medium research pos. It's very easy killing pos with bs, especially a medium. They melt so fast. POS has been upgraded to a large death star.
SexxxSlave	Posted - 2009.06.11 00:44:00 - [99] Originally by: skilzrulz Edited by: skilzrulz on 10/06/2009 01:23:37 4710/6,300 SHARES SOLD SKILZRULZ - 630 shares DALMAN - 630 shares MURDD - 1050 shares TANK CEO - 400 shares DON TIBERON - 1,000 shares - waiting on ISK transfer fugazii - 1,000 shares - waiting on ISK transfer so basically your investors are the current project leaders....i still havent seen a backing from a major entity. Why not just get Murdd to buy you all the isk necessary...it's not like he hasnt frequented ISK buying web sites in the past.
Jennifer Celeste	Posted - 2009.06.11 00:45:00 - [100] Originally by: skilzrulz Originally by: glas mir Originally by: skilzrulz You do know that you do produce BPCs from the station, so 0% risk of the asset getting destroyed. You do know that the copy would be destroyed if your POS dropped into reinforced. Unfortunately it's really hard to kill a death star in high sec status. no...it isnt. a 50 man RR BS gang can make your death star look rather amateur-ish.
skilzrulz Gallente 0neZeR0 Enterprises	Posted - 2009.06.11 00:50:00 - [101] Originally by: Jennifer Celeste Originally by: skilzrulz Originally by: glas mir Originally by: skilzrulz You do know that you do produce BPCs from the station, so 0% risk of the asset getting destroyed. You do know that the copy would be destroyed if your POS dropped into reinforced. Unfortunately it's really hard to kill a death star in high sec status. no...it isnt. a 50 man RR BS gang can make your death star look rather amateur-ish. Then that is a risk people will have to take. Absolutely no reward for the risk it takes to kill a death star in high-sec. End of.
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2009.06.11 00:53:00 - [102] Originally by: skilzrulz Then that is a risk people will have to take. Absolutely no reward for the risk it takes to kill a death star in high-sec. End of. The reward is measured in tears. Especially if people know they can halt titan bpo copy and set back both the research and the revenue. You seem unfamiliar with high sec activities.
scumfag 0ne Man's Faggotry	Posted - 2009.06.11 00:54:00 - [103] Originally by: skilzrulz Originally by: Professor Leech Edited by: Professor Leech on 11/06/2009 00:39:59 A death star not a medium research pos. It's very easy killing pos with bs, especially a medium. They melt so fast. POS has been upgraded to a large death star. Yeah, story has been forgotten. Pictures included.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.06.11 00:54:00 - [104] Originally by: skilzrulz Absolutely no reward for the risk it takes to kill a death star in high-sec. End of. Actually they may just do it cause of who you are, they may just do it to ransom you, and lastly they may just do it
skilzrulz Gallente 0neZeR0 Enterprises	Posted - 2009.06.11 01:13:00 - [105] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: skilzrulz Absolutely no reward for the risk it takes to kill a death star in high-sec. End of. Actually they may just do it cause of who you are, they may just do it to ransom you, and lastly they may just do it Well good luck war decing every corp in high sec, this is why the primary corp holding the bpo will be hidden from public, other then the auditor
glas mir Reaction Scientific	Posted - 2009.06.11 02:15:00 - [106] Edited by: glas mir on 11/06/2009 02:17:04 It is easy to get defensive of your plan in the MD. I urge you morph this into a discussion of the ipo thread; to continue the discussion here, get an audit, and then present the whole package in a new thread. basically when you ask for money the MD expects you to truthfully present all the risks and your plan to minimize them. The goal is to give people enough information that they can make an informed decision as to the chance they will get their money back from you, who may be unknown to them. There is no in game means to force you to payback so scamming is one of the primary risks. If I am interested in a offering I want to know why they need the money? why can't they fund it themselves. In your case your assets appear to be in production. An audit would confirm this. I want to make sure they don't need the isk for a mothership or something silly. A noob who only has 200M NAV should not be asking for 5B isk, sufice to say that is likely to be more than they value their reputation. Then there is the risk that your business idea is a bad one. While secondary to scamming, it is still important. What are the long term prospects of your business plan? How will you deal with additional competition in the market. How will you safely move the bpo, and also how will you secure the research POS (which seems to be a sticky point in this discussion). Do you have experience keeping a POS fueled? An audit can confirm you have the skills, and possibly already have POSes up. There are other risks too, such as what if you lose interest in the game or get hit by a bus? a proper business plan takes time to produce, your post did not give the impression of time spent that warrants 20B of investment. This is what caused the flury of attacking responses. I think presenting the plan with you as the sole holder of assets is fine, but it needs to be packaged right (see the template in the stickies) and it needs to address investor concerns.
WolfGang H Cash Money Brothers	Posted - 2009.06.11 07:23:00 - [107] I see the activity of this dude from long time in bpo II market. He always resell bpo and rise the prices at ridicolus prices, just a speculant, but afterall is your isk.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.06.11 07:26:00 - [108] Quote: This is located in a high sec system with a few guns. No BS blob is going to take down a tanked medium sized POS I loled. Quote: Absolutely no reward for the risk it takes to kill a death star in high-sec. End of I loled again. Listen, Skilzrulz, you possibly know every ins and outs of T2 production, but you have not entered in the mind of those who would camp your nicely revealed POS. Rewards: 1) The fun of harassing you. It's 70% of the reasons people go and pew pew at high sec POSes. 2) A competitor can shut you down very well. Lesson: "learn not to step on our turf". 3) Visibility: expect a new merc corp posting on C&P about their denial capabilities. Quote: Well good luck war decing every corp in high sec, this is why the primary corp holding the bpo will be hidden from public, other then the auditor Browsing the stations' offices is hard. Quote: a proper business plan takes time to produce, your post did not give the impression of time spent that warrants 20B of investment. This is what caused the flury of attacking responses. Actually, a part from the business plan, due to the high values in game and long times of production, there's also a needed security plan to detail how to avoid being denied the operativity. As of now, the only statements about security are unsatisfactory for anyone who ever experienced POS bashing, beginning with screenshots and talk detailing where to go and hit and what characters to scan for in local to stalk to destination.
skilzrulz Gallente 0neZeR0 Enterprises	Posted - 2009.06.11 07:48:00 - [109] Originally by: glas mir Edited by: glas mir on 11/06/2009 02:17:04 It is easy to get defensive of your plan in the MD. I urge you morph this into a discussion of the ipo thread; to continue the discussion here, get an audit, and then present the whole package in a new thread. basically when you ask for money the MD expects you to truthfully present all the risks and your plan to minimize them. The goal is to give people enough information that they can make an informed decision as to the chance they will get their money back from you, who may be unknown to them. There is no in game means to force you to payback so scamming is one of the primary risks. If I am interested in a offering I want to know why they need the money? why can't they fund it themselves. In your case your assets appear to be in production. An audit would confirm this. I want to make sure they don't need the isk for a mothership or something silly. A noob who only has 200M NAV should not be asking for 5B isk, sufice to say that is likely to be more than they value their reputation. Then there is the risk that your business idea is a bad one. While secondary to scamming, it is still important. What are the long term prospects of your business plan? How will you deal with additional competition in the market. How will you safely move the bpo, and also how will you secure the research POS (which seems to be a sticky point in this discussion). Do you have experience keeping a POS fueled? An audit can confirm you have the skills, and possibly already have POSes up. There are other risks too, such as what if you lose interest in the game or get hit by a bus? a proper business plan takes time to produce, your post did not give the impression of time spent that warrants 20B of investment. This is what caused the flury of attacking responses. I think presenting the plan with you as the sole holder of assets is fine, but it needs to be packaged right (see the template in the stickies) and it needs to address investor concerns. Thank you for the valuable input. I will be in contact with you ingame to talk further.
skilzrulz Gallente 0neZeR0 Enterprises	Posted - 2009.06.11 07:56:00 - [110] I will continue to keep the IPO open, a few people that have dealt with me in the past to negotiate further investments. I will be furthering the security, and fixing some more flaws in my plan. Thank you for all the support and helpful ideas, I will take these into light and continue discussions with people that have more information in MD.
Janice Jankowski	Posted - 2009.06.11 08:16:00 - [111] In here pointing out that even if legit, it would take a full year at expected returns to break even
skilzrulz Gallente 0neZeR0 Enterprises	Posted - 2009.06.11 08:26:00 - [112] Originally by: Janice Jankowski In here pointing out that even if legit, it would take a full year at expected returns to break even Most tech 2 bpos that cost the same price take around 3 years to profit
Burend Thervertas	Posted - 2009.06.11 10:59:00 - [113] i'll take 50 (500mil isk)! Can you send me an evemail with details about getting isk to you and you getting profit to me? Thnx, B
Jennifer Celeste	Posted - 2009.06.11 15:50:00 - [114] Originally by: skilzrulz Originally by: Janice Jankowski In here pointing out that even if legit, it would take a full year at expected returns to break even Most tech 2 bpos that cost the same price take around 3 years to profit with the rapidly declining price of titans, do you really honestly think you'll take ONLY a year to break even? You're delusional to think otherwise. Titans are expected to go under a massive overhaul in the way they're used within the next 12 months. I don't think this will increase the price point, but rather serve to decrease it. Your venture is a shaky one, and yes i get "risk v reward", but honestly, this seems doomed from the outset. Your vision seems clouded by the "OMGWTF ISK" potential as of the day you started, and not as of the day that this vision will come to fruition. If I were you, id make sure Murdd keeps his mouth shut, because I know from experience, for the right price he'll open his mouth and spill the pos locationa ll over the forums. As it stands right now, i have a 5 billion offer on the table to Murdd. You email me the POS location and the corp who the POS belongs to, and I'll transfer the 5 billion as soon as I can confirm it, and take it down.
Saehta Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi	Posted - 2009.06.11 16:27:00 - [115] Originally by: Jennifer Celeste As it stands right now, i have a 5 billion offer on the table to Murdd. You email me the POS location and the corp who the POS belongs to, and I'll transfer the 5 billion as soon as I can confirm it, and take it down. I like you
Murdd	Posted - 2009.06.11 20:23:00 - [116] Originally by: Jennifer Celeste Originally by: skilzrulz Originally by: Janice Jankowski In here pointing out that even if legit, it would take a full year at expected returns to break even Most tech 2 bpos that cost the same price take around 3 years to profit with the rapidly declining price of titans, do you really honestly think you'll take ONLY a year to break even? You're delusional to think otherwise. Titans are expected to go under a massive overhaul in the way they're used within the next 12 months. I don't think this will increase the price point, but rather serve to decrease it. Your venture is a shaky one, and yes i get "risk v reward", but honestly, this seems doomed from the outset. Your vision seems clouded by the "OMGWTF ISK" potential as of the day you started, and not as of the day that this vision will come to fruition. If I were you, id make sure Murdd keeps his mouth shut, because I know from experience, for the right price he'll open his mouth and spill the pos locationa ll over the forums. As it stands right now, i have a 5 billion offer on the table to Murdd. You email me the POS location and the corp who the POS belongs to, and I'll transfer the 5 billion as soon as I can confirm it, and take it down. No thanks. I'm here to invest. Not screw over myself and the other investors.
skilzrulz Gallente 0neZeR0 Enterprises	Posted - 2009.06.11 23:18:00 - [117] Still gathering more investors, I'm available for convos.
Sonmi 456	Posted - 2009.06.11 23:27:00 - [118] Originally by: WolfGang H I see the activity of this dude from long time in bpo II market. He always resell bpo and rise the prices at ridicolus prices, just a speculant, but afterall is your isk. No, it's the worst reseller in history of eve...
Jennifer Celeste	Posted - 2009.06.12 06:20:00 - [119] Murdd, 20 billion and you give up the POS location. Im pretty sure whatever profit you're due off this "titan" scam here, pales in comparison to 20 billion ISK up front.
Hotlips Hullahan	Posted - 2009.06.12 12:52:00 - [120] I would put more trust and faith in postman Pat's cat to deliver than this IPO.

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