Originally by: skilzrulz

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Audit:

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Edited by: skilzrulz on 09/06/2009 22:57:11
630/6,300 SHARES SOLD

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Originally by: Frenden Dax

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Edited by: skilzrulz on 09/06/2009 22:57:11
630/6,300 SHARES SOLD

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I like where this is going already. Yay for invisible investors whose existence we can't confirm.

Also, lol Titan BPCs.

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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The copy will start in an undisclosed high-security location, as well as an undisclosed corporation holding the asset. The build will be performed by a character with max skills and implants, insuring highest profitably.

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This investment is unsecured, unaudited, and run by an unknown!

Originally by: Breaker77

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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The copy will start in an undisclosed high-security location, as well as an undisclosed corporation holding the asset. The build will be performed by a character with max skills and implants, insuring highest profitably.

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Will an undisclosed character will be receiving the ISK who will then send the ISK to other undisclosed characters?

If it's in high sec systems, revealing the names won't hurt anything. Just make sure you have a couple guns online at your POS.

Oh wait, I suppose an invisible POS is going to copy the invisible BPO

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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POS is at Oimmio. 0neZeR0 Enerprises

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No Solar System can be found with 'oimmio' in the beginning of its name.

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Originally by: Breaker77

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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The copy will start in an undisclosed high-security location, as well as an undisclosed corporation holding the asset. The build will be performed by a character with max skills and implants, insuring highest profitably.

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Will an undisclosed character will be receiving the ISK who will then send the ISK to other undisclosed characters?

If it's in high sec systems, revealing the names won't hurt anything. Just make sure you have a couple guns online at your POS.

Oh wait, I suppose an invisible POS is going to copy the invisible BPO

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POS is at Oimmio. 0neZeR0 Enerprises

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Originally by: Kalrand

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While its not inconceivable that the 6.3 billion is his, and hes seeding this with his own money (a good thing)

Uh. What? Who are you? Titan BPC sales? Four months before the first payment? As much as I think audits are over relied on here, give your API keys to someone to look this over.


This thread should be epic.

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Originally by: Mordou

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Reserving 10 shares pending an audit, unicorns, and flying pigs.

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Originally by: JuGGeR

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some knows skillz and some dont , but the buizness ive done with him has been on the lvl , and no bs there .. so ill be getting me some shares ..

ohh and skillz , gl with this massive program ..

so if you dont trust this , dont go into it , but the 1ns that do know him , will go into this ..

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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I already have like 40 Billion in private contributions, looking to open the rest up to the public.

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The IPO will cost 63 Billion ISK. It will be divided up into 6,300 shares costing 10 Million ISK each. The dividends will be paid out every time a BPC is sold.

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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I already have like 40 Billion in private contributions, looking to open the rest up to the public.

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Originally by: Commander Yassir

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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I already have like 40 Billion in private contributions, looking to open the rest up to the public.

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Sooo.. mind explaining why all the cash is needed then? Where is it all going?

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Originally by: Mordou

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Originally by: JuGGeR

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some knows skillz and some dont , but the buizness ive done with him has been on the lvl , and no bs there .. so ill be getting me some shares ..

ohh and skillz , gl with this massive program ..

so if you dont trust this , dont go into it , but the 1ns that do know him , will go into this ..

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So he needs funding support from a public forum after everyone who knows him is already funding it as well?

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Originally by: Packtu'sa

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This investment is unsecured, unaudited, and run by an unknown!

Something like a titan BPO can be locked down by a third party, providing almost total security for everything except the starbase equipment and fuel. Given that this has not been done, this investment looks very suspect.

Not that anyone here should be fooled into thinking otherwise.

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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155

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Do you have any other outstanding loans or investments right now without this extra borrowed isk?

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Originally by: Brock Nelson

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Security
1. Send the isk to a holder
2. Holder purchase the BPO
3. Lock the BPO down with a well known MD's corp. Bad Bobby or Kaz or ME! (Not likely)
4. skilzrulz copies the blueprints all he wants

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155

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Do you have any other outstanding loans or investments right now without this extra borrowed isk?

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No I have about 300 Billion of my own assets though.

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Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.

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Originally by: RothimusPrime

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Originally by: Brock Nelson

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Security
1. Send the isk to a holder
2. Holder purchase the BPO
3. Lock the BPO down with a well known MD's corp. Bad Bobby or Kaz or ME! (Not likely)
4. skilzrulz copies the blueprints all he wants

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Why not this path?

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Originally by: RothimusPrime

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Originally by: Brock Nelson

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Security
1. Send the isk to a holder
2. Holder purchase the BPO
3. Lock the BPO down with a well known MD's corp. Bad Bobby or Kaz or ME! (Not likely)
4. skilzrulz copies the blueprints all he wants

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Why not this path?

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Originally by: Packtu'sa

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So far, you have given yourself a bad name here because you clearly did not do the necessary research before posting, and then you insult us with an offer which looks like nothing more than a poorly-crafted scam.

If you want any kind of success in this forum, research it and figure out how it works first.

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Originally by: Packtu'sa

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So far, you have given yourself a bad name here because you clearly did not do the necessary research before posting, and then you insult us with an offer which looks like nothing more than a poorly-crafted scam.

If you want any kind of success in this forum, research it and figure out how it works first.

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I'm sitting on 48 Billion isk of investments so far, and you're sitting on 0.

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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I'm sitting on 48 Billion isk of investments so far, and you're sitting on 0.

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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155

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Do you have any other outstanding loans or investments right now without this extra borrowed isk?

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No I have about 300 Billion of my own assets though.

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You don't have any outstanding debt or loans? Possibly even secured ones?

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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155

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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155

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Do you have any other outstanding loans or investments right now without this extra borrowed isk?

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No I have about 300 Billion of my own assets though.

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You don't have any outstanding debt or loans? Possibly even secured ones?

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Bump.

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Originally by: Murdd

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Due to high demand I'm taking my initial investment of 630 shares to 1050 shares. Will wire money tonight. Thanks and look forward to our business. If you don't trust this guy your dumb and shouldn't post. This thread is here to look for potential investors. We want to make money and opened this to the public to help others make money also. So again I will state, if you don't want anything to do with this IPO then move on. It doesn't hurt us we are just trying to help out.

Oh and if you want to ask any questions just hit skilzrulz up or any of the investors if he isn't on and we will try to provide answers due to him not being on.

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Originally by: Murdd

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Due to high demand I'm taking my initial investment of 630 shares to 1050 shares. Will wire money tonight. Thanks and look forward to our business. If you don't trust this guy your dumb and shouldn't post. This thread is here to look for potential investors. We want to make money and opened this to the public to help others make money also. So again I will state, if you don't want anything to do with this IPO then move on. It doesn't hurt us we are just trying to help out.

Oh and if you want to ask any questions just hit skilzrulz up or any of the investors if he isn't on and we will try to provide answers due to him not being on.

-Murdd

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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TANK CEO - 400 shares

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Originally by: Professor Leech

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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TANK CEO - 400 shares

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It was at this point that I became suspicious. The functionally ******ed guy from Atlas really didn't help.

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Originally by: Packtu'sa

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Originally by: Murdd

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Due to high demand I'm taking my initial investment of 630 shares to 1050 shares. Will wire money tonight. Thanks and look forward to our business. If you don't trust this guy your dumb and shouldn't post. This thread is here to look for potential investors. We want to make money and opened this to the public to help others make money also. So again I will state, if you don't want anything to do with this IPO then move on. It doesn't hurt us we are just trying to help out.

Oh and if you want to ask any questions just hit skilzrulz up or any of the investors if he isn't on and we will try to provide answers due to him not being on.

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More red flags. Number one: trying to quiet feedback is poor form and is typically indicative of dishonesty. Number two: ingame communication is non-transparent and can be used to keep potential investors in the dark. Number three: Murdd seems to have a similar style to skilzrulz and has specified a method of communication on his behalf. Alt?

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Originally by: Professor Leech

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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TANK CEO - 400 shares

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It was at this point that I became suspicious. The functionally ******ed guy from Atlas really didn't help.

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Like I said this was a private investment among friends at first.

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Originally by: Professor Leech

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Originally by: Professor Leech

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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TANK CEO - 400 shares

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It was at this point that I became suspicious. The functionally ******ed guy from Atlas really didn't help.

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Like I said this was a private investment among friends at first.

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The Murdd post was the nail in the coffin. All the standard scam tactics are well known and anything that doesn't stand up to a reasonable level of scrutiny doesn't work.

That and you're posting in a subforum full of jerks.

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Originally by: Packtu'sa

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At this point, it really doesn't matter if you're telling the truth or not, because we don't buy it.

Dr. Leech is absolutely correct: the tactics are all known, and you've used them, so even if you aren't a scammer, you've given us every indication that you are.

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Originally by: Murdd

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I'm investing so I can't provide that. I'm pretty sure skilz would though. All I can do is provide what information I know.

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Originally by: Brock Nelson

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Security
1. Send the isk to a holder
2. Holder purchase the BPO
3. Lock the BPO down with a well known MD's corp. Bad Bobby or Kaz or ME! (Not likely)
4. skilzrulz copies the blueprints all he wants

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Originally by: RothimusPrime

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Originally by: Murdd

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I'm investing so I can't provide that. I'm pretty sure skilz would though. All I can do is provide what information I know.

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This response screams unprepared on all fronts.

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Originally by: corestwo

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Despite the entertainment value potential here, I'm going to step in and try to explain what the "beef" Packtu'sa and others have, skilzrulz. The MD community tend to be extremely wary, and so want security for their investment. They also tend to want things done in exactly the right way. You showed up and provided none and ignored the "right" way. This makes people upset.



Aight, I'm done being the voice of reason. Carry on with the drama.

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Originally by: RothimusPrime

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Originally by: Murdd

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I'm investing so I can't provide that. I'm pretty sure skilz would though. All I can do is provide what information I know.

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This response screams unprepared on all fronts.

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Originally by: RothimusPrime

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Edited by: RothimusPrime on 10/06/2009 04:28:33
Anyone can say anything they want here, doesn't mean its true. This is why audits are required by any sensible investor. There's NOTHING about this offer any reasonable person would consider.

I want to invest, I want to believe...but not without some attempt at providing a resonable effort.

Still no response to my audit request...?

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Chribba can preform a audit, he's one of my close friends. I'll talk to him.

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Originally by: Packtu'sa

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Chribba can preform a audit, he's one of my close friends. I'll talk to him.

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Chribba is trusted, but he is not an experienced auditor, AFAIK.

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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The IPO will cost 63 Billion ISK. It will be divided up into 6,300 shares costing 10 Million ISK each.

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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An administration fee of 10% of the BPOs sell price will be applied off the top of the BPC sale. The administration fee is to pay for POS fuel, POS, Office Space, and time spent on the blueprint.

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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The current cost for a Titan Class BPC is 20 Billion ISK, if this trend stays current, approximately every 4 months the payout will be 3,174,603ISK per share, which is effectively 32% payout on the initial investment of 10,000,000ISK per share. In general you would receive a 32% payout per 4 months on your investment.

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Originally by: Brock Nelson

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Security
1. Send the isk to a holder
2. Holder purchase the BPO
3. Lock the BPO down with a well known MD's corp. Bad Bobby or Kaz or ME! (Not likely)
4. skilzrulz copies the blueprints all he wants

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Originally by: Packtu'sa

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Chribba can preform a audit, he's one of my close friends. I'll talk to him.

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Chribba is trusted, but he is not an experienced auditor, AFAIK.

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Then I'll pay for him to go to school. That or refer me to somebody that is current.

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"Lecherito on Market Discussion: Though I have to go down on the record as saying that I'm convinced the majority of the MD community is ******ed"

Originally by: Professor Leech

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I'm up for auditing this.

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Originally by: Bloody Rabbit

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...but never would I offer this IPO out to the public without locking it down in a copying corp and I would only do so with Ebank as they have more to lose with a scam than the value of the BPOs.

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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

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Originally by: Bloody Rabbit

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...but never would I offer this IPO out to the public without locking it down in a copying corp and I would only do so with Ebank as they have more to lose with a scam than the value of the BPOs.

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Hmm, if I were you I'd wait until the dust settles from the latest round of EBANK drama

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Originally by: Saehta

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Reserving 100 shares of Bad Bobby's upcoming Titan BPC endeavor

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Originally by: Brock Nelson

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Knowing how they're secure, how does the BPC get handled? It's my understanding that titan BPCs are worth billions and to make the IPO even more secure, you or whoever did the lockdown would have to retrieve it from the POS.

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Originally by: Bad Bobby

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Yes. The method I would suggest is:

1. Skilzrulz secures the funding.
2. I receive the funds from the investors.
3. I purchase the BPO.
4. I assemble the tower under a anonymous one man corp in the middle of nowhere.
5. I copy the BPO with the alt and retrieve the BPC from the POS.
6. Skilzrulz conducts the auction on the sell orders forum or through whichever medium he favours.
7. I deliver the BPC to the client, collect the isk and distribute it to the investors.

Obviously, I'd be using the exact same infrastructure for related endeavours.

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Profit Analysis:

The current cost for a Titan Class BPC is 20 Billion ISK,

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Originally by: Sam McMinus

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Profit Analysis:

The current cost for a Titan Class BPC is 20 Billion ISK,

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can you please inform me WHERE you get this 20 Billion ISK value from?

If your taking the current Levithan BPC on contracts as an example, that's crazy, i could put a Moros BPO on the market and claim it's worth 15 Billion.... that doesn't mean it's going to sell.

check your history of prices. in the past 4 months, 7 Titan BPC's have been sold. the latest 4 went for 13B and prior to that, 3 went for under 10B

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Originally by: Breaker77

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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The copy will start in an undisclosed high-security location, as well as an undisclosed corporation holding the asset. The build will be performed by a character with max skills and implants, insuring highest profitably.

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Will an undisclosed character will be receiving the ISK who will then send the ISK to other undisclosed characters?

If it's in high sec systems, revealing the names won't hurt anything. Just make sure you have a couple guns online at your POS.

Oh wait, I suppose an invisible POS is going to copy the invisible BPO

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POS is at Oimmio. 0neZeR0 Enerprises

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Originally by: Sam McMinus

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can you please inform me WHERE you get this 20 Billion ISK value from?

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Originally by: Cyber Wolf

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Originally by: Sam McMinus

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can you please inform me WHERE you get this 20 Billion ISK value from?

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20bil ? lol
200bil welcome to my world

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Originally by: fugazii

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Is it just me or does anyone else notice half the people saying this is a scam are also saying send me the isk instead a line below?

Anyone who has any dealings with T2 BPO market knows who skilz is. Though it's quite obvious that falls on deaf ears in a subsection full of margin traders, and the general poor.

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Originally by: fugazii

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Is it just me or does anyone else notice half the people saying this is a scam are also saying send me the isk instead a line below?

Anyone who has any dealings with T2 BPO market knows who skilz is. Though it's quite obvious that falls on deaf ears in a subsection full of margin traders, and the general poor.

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Originally by: fugazii

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Is it just me or does anyone else notice half the people saying this is a scam are also saying send me the isk instead a line below?

Anyone who has any dealings with T2 BPO market knows who skilz is. Though it's quite obvious that falls on deaf ears in a subsection full of margin traders, and the general poor.

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Originally by: Bloody Rabbit

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Originally by: fugazii

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Is it just me or does anyone else notice half the people saying this is a scam are also saying send me the isk instead a line below?

Anyone who has any dealings with T2 BPO market knows who skilz is. Though it's quite obvious that falls on deaf ears in a subsection full of margin traders, and the general poor.

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Most of us who watch the contract market know who the OP is, but he isn't the first nor will he be the last who looks at titan BPO business and wonders if they can raise the isk without handing over the business to someone else. The main problem being he wants to hold the other peoples isk, and I don't care how much isk he has except that he claims he has 200 billion in assets so why not liquidate a little and fund this himself?

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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Originally by: fugazii

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Is it just me or does anyone else notice half the people saying this is a scam are also saying send me the isk instead a line below?

Anyone who has any dealings with T2 BPO market knows who skilz is. Though it's quite obvious that falls on deaf ears in a subsection full of margin traders, and the general poor.

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Actually its not that I don't trust him, I know who he is. my issue is there is not nearly enough obfuscation of the project to prevent some stray BS blob landing on your POS that day and disrupt profits for the next few months.

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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This is located in a high sec system with a few guns. No BS blob is going to take down a tanked medium sized POS.

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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This is located in a high sec system with a few guns. No BS blob is going to take down a tanked medium sized POS.

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Remember, its not for the profit its for the lulz. And the fact that you would even think about a medium sorta puts me even more in the waver category.

I'd rather have any prints and the copy chains for those prints in the hands of someone who publicly knows how to organize a POS network and defense chain for it.

No offense to you skilz, its more just observation of the risk you're asking potential investors here and the things they have to weigh on.

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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Originally by: fugazii

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Is it just me or does anyone else notice half the people saying this is a scam are also saying send me the isk instead a line below?

Anyone who has any dealings with T2 BPO market knows who skilz is. Though it's quite obvious that falls on deaf ears in a subsection full of margin traders, and the general poor.

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Actually its not that I don't trust him, I know who he is. my issue is there is not nearly enough obfuscation of the project to prevent some stray BS blob landing on your POS that day and disrupt profits for the next few months.

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This is located in a high sec system with a few guns. No BS blob is going to take down a tanked medium sized POS.

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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You do know that you do produce BPCs from the station, so 0% risk of the asset getting destroyed.

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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You do know that you do produce BPCs from the station, so 0% risk of the asset getting destroyed.

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Originally by: glas mir

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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You do know that you do produce BPCs from the station, so 0% risk of the asset getting destroyed.

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You do know that the copy would be destroyed if your POS dropped into reinforced.

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Originally by: Professor Leech

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Edited by: Professor Leech on 11/06/2009 00:39:59
A death star not a medium research pos. It's very easy killing pos with bs, especially a medium. They melt so fast.

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Edited by: skilzrulz on 10/06/2009 01:23:37
4710/6,300 SHARES SOLD

SKILZRULZ - 630 shares
DALMAN - 630 shares
MURDD - 1050 shares
TANK CEO - 400 shares

DON TIBERON - 1,000 shares - waiting on ISK transfer
fugazii - 1,000 shares - waiting on ISK transfer

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Originally by: glas mir

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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You do know that you do produce BPCs from the station, so 0% risk of the asset getting destroyed.

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You do know that the copy would be destroyed if your POS dropped into reinforced.

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Unfortunately it's really hard to kill a death star in high sec status.

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Originally by: Jennifer Celeste

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Originally by: glas mir

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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You do know that you do produce BPCs from the station, so 0% risk of the asset getting destroyed.

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You do know that the copy would be destroyed if your POS dropped into reinforced.

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Unfortunately it's really hard to kill a death star in high sec status.

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no...it isnt. a 50 man RR BS gang can make your death star look rather amateur-ish.

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Then that is a risk people will have to take.

Absolutely no reward for the risk it takes to kill a death star in high-sec. End of.

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Originally by: Professor Leech

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Edited by: Professor Leech on 11/06/2009 00:39:59
A death star not a medium research pos. It's very easy killing pos with bs, especially a medium. They melt so fast.

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POS has been upgraded to a large death star.

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Absolutely no reward for the risk it takes to kill a death star in high-sec. End of.

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Absolutely no reward for the risk it takes to kill a death star in high-sec. End of.

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Actually they may just do it cause of who you are, they may just do it to ransom you, and lastly they may just do it

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This is located in a high sec system with a few guns. No BS blob is going to take down a tanked medium sized POS

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Absolutely no reward for the risk it takes to kill a death star in high-sec. End of

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Well good luck war decing every corp in high sec, this is why the primary corp holding the bpo will be hidden from public, other then the auditor

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a proper business plan takes time to produce, your post did not give the impression of time spent that warrants 20B of investment. This is what caused the flury of attacking responses.

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Originally by: glas mir

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Edited by: glas mir on 11/06/2009 02:17:04
It is easy to get defensive of your plan in the MD. I urge you morph this into a discussion of the ipo thread; to continue the discussion here, get an audit, and then present the whole package in a new thread.

basically when you ask for money the MD expects you to truthfully present all the risks and your plan to minimize them. The goal is to give people enough information that they can make an informed decision as to the chance they will get their money back from you, who may be unknown to them. There is no in game means to force you to payback so scamming is one of the primary risks. If I am interested in a offering I want to know why they need the money? why can't they fund it themselves. In your case your assets appear to be in production. An audit would confirm this. I want to make sure they don't need the isk for a mothership or something silly. A noob who only has 200M NAV should not be asking for 5B isk, sufice to say that is likely to be more than they value their reputation.

Then there is the risk that your business idea is a bad one. While secondary to scamming, it is still important. What are the long term prospects of your business plan? How will you deal with additional competition in the market. How will you safely move the bpo, and also how will you secure the research POS (which seems to be a sticky point in this discussion). Do you have experience keeping a POS fueled? An audit can confirm you have the skills, and possibly already have POSes up. There are other risks too, such as what if you lose interest in the game or get hit by a bus?

a proper business plan takes time to produce, your post did not give the impression of time spent that warrants 20B of investment. This is what caused the flury of attacking responses. I think presenting the plan with you as the sole holder of assets is fine, but it needs to be packaged right (see the template in the stickies) and it needs to address investor concerns.

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Originally by: Janice Jankowski

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In here pointing out that even if legit, it would take a full year at expected returns to break even

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Originally by: Janice Jankowski

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In here pointing out that even if legit, it would take a full year at expected returns to break even

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Most tech 2 bpos that cost the same price take around 3 years to profit

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Originally by: Jennifer Celeste

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As it stands right now, i have a 5 billion offer on the table to Murdd. You email me the POS location and the corp who the POS belongs to, and I'll transfer the 5 billion as soon as I can confirm it, and take it down.

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Originally by: Jennifer Celeste

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Originally by: Janice Jankowski

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In here pointing out that even if legit, it would take a full year at expected returns to break even

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Most tech 2 bpos that cost the same price take around 3 years to profit

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with the rapidly declining price of titans, do you really honestly think you'll take ONLY a year to break even? You're delusional to think otherwise. Titans are expected to go under a massive overhaul in the way they're used within the next 12 months. I don't think this will increase the price point, but rather serve to decrease it.

Your venture is a shaky one, and yes i get "risk v reward", but honestly, this seems doomed from the outset. Your vision seems clouded by the "OMGWTF ISK" potential as of the day you started, and not as of the day that this vision will come to fruition. If I were you, id make sure Murdd keeps his mouth shut, because I know from experience, for the right price he'll open his mouth and spill the pos locationa ll over the forums.

As it stands right now, i have a 5 billion offer on the table to Murdd. You email me the POS location and the corp who the POS belongs to, and I'll transfer the 5 billion as soon as I can confirm it, and take it down.

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Originally by: WolfGang H

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I see the activity of this dude from long time in bpo II market. He always resell bpo and rise the prices at ridicolus prices, just a speculant, but afterall is your isk.

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Originally by: Jennifer Celeste

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i see you had one of my posts deleted.

Murdd, I'm making a final offer of 15 billion isk. This 15bil will be more than enough to sustain you. Hell its most probably more ISK than you'll make in this doomed venture.

So to reiterate: I am offering up 15 billion ISK for the name of the holding corp for the POS, and the tower location. If Murdd doesnt want to come forth with this information, any of the inside investors are welcome to step forward on condition of anonymity and I will ensure that Chribba is used to secure this transaction if need be.

You think I'm messing around Skilz....I most surely am not

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Originally by: Jennifer Celeste

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Originally by: Janice Jankowski

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In here pointing out that even if legit, it would take a full year at expected returns to break even

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Most tech 2 bpos that cost the same price take around 3 years to profit

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with the rapidly declining price of titans, do you really honestly think you'll take ONLY a year to break even? You're delusional to think otherwise. Titans are expected to go under a massive overhaul in the way they're used within the next 12 months. I don't think this will increase the price point, but rather serve to decrease it.

Your venture is a shaky one, and yes i get "risk v reward", but honestly, this seems doomed from the outset. Your vision seems clouded by the "OMGWTF ISK" potential as of the day you started, and not as of the day that this vision will come to fruition. If I were you, id make sure Murdd keeps his mouth shut, because I know from experience, for the right price he'll open his mouth and spill the pos locationa ll over the forums.

As it stands right now, i have a 5 billion offer on the table to Murdd. You email me the POS location and the corp who the POS belongs to, and I'll transfer the 5 billion as soon as I can confirm it, and take it down.

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Edited by: skilzrulz on 09/06/2009 23:10:50
Titan BPC Production Project
Summary:

Use a high-security status POS to produce Titan Class Capital BPCs, and sell them at highest market values.

Cost Analysis:

The IPO will cost 63 Billion ISK. It will be divided up into 6,300 shares costing 10 Million ISK each. The dividends will be paid out every time a BPC is sold.

An administration fee of 10% of the BPOs sell price will be applied off the top of the BPC sale. The administration fee is to pay for POS fuel, POS, Office Space, and time spent on the blueprint.

Profit Analysis:

The current cost for a Titan Class BPC is 20 Billion ISK, if this trend stays current, approximately every 4 months the payout will be 3,174,603ISK per share, which is effectively 32% payout on the initial investment of 10,000,000ISK per share. In general you would receive a 32% payout per 4 months on your investment.

Building:
Production will be based out of Oimmo. 0neZeR0 Enterprises.
The build will be performed by a character with max skills and implants, insuring highest profitably.
Link to production character: http://ineve.net/skills/character.php?charID=MTAxMTczMTY2Nw%3D%3D

Sale:

The sale of the BPC will be held in a public auction forum to insure highest purchase amount for the print.

Who am I?

My name is skilzrulz, IÆve been an eve-capitalist for many years, investing and reinvesting in EvEÆs marketplace. I spend my time doing lots of market research and building relationships with EvEÆs community.

Where do I deposit ISK?:

Please deposit ISK to this character: SKILZRULZ

Shares will be transferred to you within 24hours

IÆm available for conversations and will respond to eve-mailÆs. Come check me out in my local channel at D-C

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Originally by: Zheras

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Nice isk if you can get it. skilz has scammed on more than one occasion, how history reinvents itself....

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Originally by: Jennifer Celeste

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i see you had one of my posts deleted.

Murdd, I'm making a final offer of 15 billion isk. This 15bil will be more than enough to sustain you. Hell its most probably more ISK than you'll make in this doomed venture.


You think I'm messing around Skilz....I most surely am not

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Originally by: Dzil

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Originally by: Jennifer Celeste

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i see you had one of my posts deleted.

Murdd, I'm making a final offer of 15 billion isk. This 15bil will be more than enough to sustain you. Hell its most probably more ISK than you'll make in this doomed venture.


You think I'm messing around Skilz....I most surely am not

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15 bil eh? And how can you be sure you get the right deathstar?

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Originally by: Jennifer Celeste

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Originally by: Dzil

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Originally by: Jennifer Celeste

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i see you had one of my posts deleted.

Murdd, I'm making a final offer of 15 billion isk. This 15bil will be more than enough to sustain you. Hell its most probably more ISK than you'll make in this doomed venture.


You think I'm messing around Skilz....I most surely am not

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15 bil eh? And how can you be sure you get the right deathstar?

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because im sure this corp wont waste money and set up decoys...keep in mind the intellect level of the individuals running this scam is equal to that of a pre-schooler

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Originally by: SexxxSlave

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Forgive me here, but there is no well known entity endorsing your business venture. This is shady, at VERY best. Can you please have someone run a full scale audit of operations who is known and well-respected and has vouched for more than one such venture?

Until then, this will be assumed a scam much like ~75% of all threads posted in here about "IPO's"

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Originally by: fugazii

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Originally by: Jennifer Celeste

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Originally by: Dzil

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Originally by: Jennifer Celeste

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i see you had one of my posts deleted.

Murdd, I'm making a final offer of 15 billion isk. This 15bil will be more than enough to sustain you. Hell its most probably more ISK than you'll make in this doomed venture.


You think I'm messing around Skilz....I most surely am not

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15 bil eh? And how can you be sure you get the right deathstar?

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because im sure this corp wont waste money and set up decoys...keep in mind the intellect level of the individuals running this scam is equal to that of a pre-schooler

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Based on what evidence alt with 7 posts on MD and 2 on Sales forum?

You keep spewing random "facts" however nothing of what you say is actually backed by anything other than personal baseless speculation which oddly enough is generally wrong.

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Originally by: Jennifer Celeste

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Originally by: fugazii

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Originally by: Jennifer Celeste

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Originally by: Dzil

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15 bil eh? And how can you be sure you get the right deathstar?

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because im sure this corp wont waste money and set up decoys...keep in mind the intellect level of the individuals running this scam is equal to that of a pre-schooler

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Based on what evidence alt with 7 posts on MD and 2 on Sales forum?

You keep spewing random "facts" however nothing of what you say is actually backed by anything other than personal baseless speculation which oddly enough is generally wrong.

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you talking about me....or the OP? :D

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Profit Analysis:

The current cost for a Titan Class BPC is 20 Billion ISK, if this trend stays current, approximately every 4 months the payout will be 3,174,603ISK per share, In general you would receive a 32% payout per 4 months on your investment.

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Originally by: Holden Jaff

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Profit Analysis:

The current cost for a Titan Class BPC is 20 Billion ISK, if this trend stays current, approximately every 4 months the payout will be 3,174,603ISK per share, In general you would receive a 32% payout per 4 months on your investment.

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Well there you go wrong from the start because, depending on race, a titan bpc sells for 12-18b and that usually is only for a me1. You want to sell a bpc at me0 for 20b?

Not likely to happen as its hard enough selling them at me 1 for 12-18b.

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Originally by: fugazii

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Originally by: Jennifer Celeste

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Originally by: Janice Jankowski

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In here pointing out that even if legit, it would take a full year at expected returns to break even

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Most tech 2 bpos that cost the same price take around 3 years to profit

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with the rapidly declining price of titans, do you really honestly think you'll take ONLY a year to break even? You're delusional to think otherwise. Titans are expected to go under a massive overhaul in the way they're used within the next 12 months. I don't think this will increase the price point, but rather serve to decrease it.

Your venture is a shaky one, and yes i get "risk v reward", but honestly, this seems doomed from the outset. Your vision seems clouded by the "OMGWTF ISK" potential as of the day you started, and not as of the day that this vision will come to fruition. If I were you, id make sure Murdd keeps his mouth shut, because I know from experience, for the right price he'll open his mouth and spill the pos locationa ll over the forums.

As it stands right now, i have a 5 billion offer on the table to Murdd. You email me the POS location and the corp who the POS belongs to, and I'll transfer the 5 billion as soon as I can confirm it, and take it down.

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You seem to know alot about the Titan BPC market, can you quote me with Titan bpc prices from 9mo ago, 5mo ago, and within the last month please? Also about the "overhaul", can you provide links to CCP stating they will be, and more importantly even if you can, can you provide links to CCP actually following their own timeframes?

The whole idea behind your assumption that prices will go down is correct if you dont factor in inflation. A good example of this is the prices of T2 BPOs. When T2 bpos first came out, there was no invention, there was no ability to accuire t2 mods outside of the bpos. Even though a bpo made far much more than they do now they sold for in most cases at less than a years profit. Today theres much more competition to get your product sold, there isn't a 'stranglehold' on the market due to invention and to boot theres less profit due to saturation by invention, -however nowadays a bpo will sell anywhere from 2.5-5yr profit. This is due directly because of inflation.

Naturally as wealth grows so does the amount willing to be paid for rare items. While T2 bpos and Titan bpc's are different categories they follow the same rules, which can very easily be seen by a quick look on eve-search. One thing is fundamentally different between the two however, a T2 bpo may be nerfed and the mod made not so good driving down the worth of the bpo. A Titan may be nerfed in the future but you can be guaranteed that it will never be to the point that it isn't worth the huge investment, and on top of that a Titan BPO is npc seeded, so regardless of nerfs the value of the actual bpo will NEVER decrease. So even if 8-10-12 mo down the line the BPC market bottoms out, the BPO can still be liquidated for the original payment price.

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Originally by: Murdd

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If you don't trust this guy your dumb and shouldn't post

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Originally by: Jones Bones

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This IPO needs more Atlas guys championing it.

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Originally by: Kaaii

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I would like to donate all 4 titan bpos to this venture, for remaining shares, they are down in period basis, let me know when you get there, ill contract them to you.

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Originally by: JManZA

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I'd like to reserve 50 shares please - will send isk tomorrow

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Originally by: Kier Tel

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Hook me up with 30 shares please, will deposit isk to you upon confirmation of reservation

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Originally by: Ji Sama

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yes im finding this shady aswell, also the reason ive kept out of this thread.
also the "audit" was useless...

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Originally by: Duran

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Would like to reserve 40 shares. Will deposit upon confirmation.

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Originally by: Hexxx

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I am advising against investing in this IPO.

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Originally by: Hexxx

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I am advising against investing in this IPO.

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Originally by: Ray McCormack

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I am agreeing with this statement. I would not invest in this.

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Originally by: Ray McCormack

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Originally by: Hexxx

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I am advising against investing in this IPO.

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I am agreeing with this statement. I would not invest in this.

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Originally by: Skarii TuThess

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Originally by: Hexxx

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I am advising against investing in this IPO.

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Hexxx, why are you advising against investing in this IPO (I'm naturally concerned having just invested!). I don't think it is right that you 'use your reputation' to just make a statement without giving more explicit reasons as to why you are advising us not to invest, and whether you like it or not your reputation does impact every post you make in MD.

Do you think it is an issue of trust, a poor business plan, or even that you do not believe that it can be implemented? I'm very interested to hear your thoughts; have you heard something the rest of us should know?

Originally by: Ray McCormack

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I am agreeing with this statement. I would not invest in this.

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Ray, are you just stating that you are not investing, or are you also advising that other people should not invest. If it is the latter could you also please explain why you are advising this please?




Skilzrulz - Are you willing to buy back shares for a full refund at this stage if I were to decide that I did not want to invest? I do not want to at this stage, but I would like to know if this is a possibility should I want to.

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Originally by: Amarr citizen29879

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im a little cofused was all isk refunded becouse of hexx's and rays opione and everyone back down or did you just decide not to go along with the IPO skillz?

either way he gave the isk back...

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Originally by: Skarii TuThess

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Well this sucks. Considering EBANK have a rival Titan BPC project in the works, and that their damaging and as yet unsubstantiated advice has caused the initiator of this project to cancel, I'm even more interested in hearing what the basis of evidence was for Hexxx, Ray and Ji making such posts.

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Originally by: corestwo

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Originally by: Skarii TuThess

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Well this sucks. Considering EBANK have a rival Titan BPC project in the works, and that their damaging and as yet unsubstantiated advice has caused the initiator of this project to cancel, I'm even more interested in hearing what the basis of evidence was for Hexxx, Ray and Ji making such posts.

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Hexxx, certainly. I guess with EBANK licking its wounds they can't afford competition in what is no doubt a fairly lucrative venture.

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Originally by: Hexxx

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Originally by: corestwo

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Originally by: Skarii TuThess

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Well this sucks. Considering EBANK have a rival Titan BPC project in the works, and that their damaging and as yet unsubstantiated advice has caused the initiator of this project to cancel, I'm even more interested in hearing what the basis of evidence was for Hexxx, Ray and Ji making such posts.

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Hexxx, certainly. I guess with EBANK licking its wounds they can't afford competition in what is no doubt a fairly lucrative venture.

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Let me clear this up....I'm not against Titan BPC IPO's. I will give Skilz credit and say he doesn't have a bad idea necessarily.

My reasoning for advising against the IPO isn't because it's a fundamentally bad business idea. Obviously EBANK does it now (we used to enjoy it more before it became public knowledge, but, meh) and it works for us.

So why am I advising against it? It is a private matter at the moment. I'm sorry, but that's all I can say right now.

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Originally by: Hexxx

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Let me clear this up...It is a private matter at the moment. I'm sorry, but that's all I can say right now.

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Originally by: fugazii

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Originally by: Hexxx

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Originally by: corestwo

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Originally by: Skarii TuThess

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Well this sucks. Considering EBANK have a rival Titan BPC project in the works, and that their damaging and as yet unsubstantiated advice has caused the initiator of this project to cancel, I'm even more interested in hearing what the basis of evidence was for Hexxx, Ray and Ji making such posts.

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Hexxx, certainly. I guess with EBANK licking its wounds they can't afford competition in what is no doubt a fairly lucrative venture.

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Let me clear this up....I'm not against Titan BPC IPO's. I will give Skilz credit and say he doesn't have a bad idea necessarily.

My reasoning for advising against the IPO isn't because it's a fundamentally bad business idea. Obviously EBANK does it now (we used to enjoy it more before it became public knowledge, but, meh) and it works for us.

So why am I advising against it? It is a private matter at the moment. I'm sorry, but that's all I can say right now.

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Pretty lame to **** on someones thread, advertise that you do this same venture, and then refuse to give a reason(not that it isn't obviously clear already) on why your ****ting on the thread.

Also, a Erebus bpc sold at buyout within 4 hours today for 20b.

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Originally by: Hexxx

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Originally by: fugazii

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Originally by: Hexxx

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Originally by: corestwo

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Hexxx, certainly. I guess with EBANK licking its wounds they can't afford competition in what is no doubt a fairly lucrative venture.

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Let me clear this up....I'm not against Titan BPC IPO's. I will give Skilz credit and say he doesn't have a bad idea necessarily.

My reasoning for advising against the IPO isn't because it's a fundamentally bad business idea. Obviously EBANK does it now (we used to enjoy it more before it became public knowledge, but, meh) and it works for us.

So why am I advising against it? It is a private matter at the moment. I'm sorry, but that's all I can say right now.

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Pretty lame to **** on someones thread, advertise that you do this same venture, and then refuse to give a reason(not that it isn't obviously clear already) on why your ****ting on the thread.

Also, a Erebus bpc sold at buyout within 4 hours today for 20b.

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As I said, it's not a bad business idea. That was the point of re-affirming our activities in research.

Or, to put it into your language;

You can ****ing **** that **** ************ because I could **** *****er what *****ing ***** think, ********* ******* talking ********ed ********ing ********, and your unicorns on ***** plastic wrap.

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Originally by: Brock Nelson

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Well, fugazii's got a pretty good point there Hexxx

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Originally by: fugazii

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This is seriously the person MD listens to?

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Obviously EBANK does it now (we used to enjoy it more before it became public knowledge, but, meh) and it works for us.

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Originally by: Hexxx

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Originally by: Brock Nelson

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Well, fugazii's got a pretty good point there Hexxx

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Except for the fact that advertising EBANK's venture has absolutely nothing to do with the sales of that venture. Me posting that had nothing to do with advertising and everything to do with saying "The business plan is not bad."

I'd like to see more work from Skilz if he tries this again and I told him as much in-game already.

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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All Isk refunded, thank you for your participation.

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Originally by: Hexxx

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Originally by: Brock Nelson

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Well, fugazii's got a pretty good point there Hexxx

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Except for the fact that advertising EBANK's venture has absolutely nothing to do with the sales of that venture. Me posting that had nothing to do with advertising and everything to do with saying "The business plan is not bad."

I'd like to see more work from Skilz if he tries this again and I told him as much in-game already.

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Originally by: Gabriel Virtus

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Originally by: Hexxx

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Originally by: Brock Nelson

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Well, fugazii's got a pretty good point there Hexxx

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Except for the fact that advertising EBANK's venture has absolutely nothing to do with the sales of that venture. Me posting that had nothing to do with advertising and everything to do with saying "The business plan is not bad."

I'd like to see more work from Skilz if he tries this again and I told him as much in-game already.

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Please don't pick on Hexxx. You might push him into scamming and then EBANK will lose another few hundred billion.

I agree with Hexxx about the venture, however, I would always take his advise with a grain of salt as he is advising against an IPO that would reduce his revenues ( I cant imagine why he might want to do that )

-GV

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Originally by: fugazii

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So what your saying is;

1) "don't invest in this, no i cant tell you why"
2) "this is a good investment, ebank does it and skillz is a good guy"

Maybe it's just me, but I see a bit of a contradiction here.

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Maybe English is different wherever you come from, but no matter how many times I parse Hexxx's post I simply cannot see how you're erroneously drawing that conclusion.

1) Correct

2) Incorrect, uttterly. Hexxx does not say that it's a good investment, nor that skillz is a good guy

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Frankly, this is no different to your broker advising against investing in something and not being able to tell you why for confidentiality/legal reasons

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As for other posts whining about Ebank being in the market and making money... so what? They're profitable, they deal in many areas and they have a right to do business how they want.

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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

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This is what's a bit worrysome because this immediately prompts for: "how many undisclosed businesses do EBANK have like this, where there's a conflict of interest out of a market dominant position".

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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

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Isn't this the *very exacty copy* or at least a try (just on economy and not space) of the anomalous situation on the Chinese server, where an alliance monopolized the whole 0.0?

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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

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How can someone create a new high end IPO / bond being unsure at what huge unpredictable wall he'll possibly clash into? Unpredictable as in "every REAL big money opportunity has probably been secured against 90B+ business "newcomers") beginning with Titans and ending ... who knows where?

Will they have to "farm" rep or try and ally with the big bank personalities once passed a certain thresold?

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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

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The fact you talk little does not remove the EBANK interests, it just hides them (and talking little amplifies the weight of when you talk). But they are slipping through, so opacity is going to retort against you like a boomerang sooner or later.

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Originally by: Hexxx

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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

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Isn't this the *very exacty copy* or at least a try (just on economy and not space) of the anomalous situation on the Chinese server, where an alliance monopolized the whole 0.0?

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Oh, I could only dream.

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Originally by: Gabriel Virtus

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Please don't pick on Hexxx. You might push him into scamming and then EBANK will lose another few hundred billion.

I agree with Hexxx about the venture, however, I would always take his advise with a grain of salt as he is advising against an IPO that would reduce his revenues ( I cant imagine why he might want to do that )

-GV

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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

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Moreover, let's leave EBANK aside for a moment. EvE is a GAME. I can see your totally "liberal" vision of economy and mostly agree with it. But if some entity becomes the De Beers or Marlboro or Microsoft etc. in a GAME, I find it disturbing, not fun as a game could be.

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I'll give you a hint; the industry I'd be creating uses the term "float" for the cash it has available to invest

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Damn you VV. Now Hexxx will be posting on EBANK's private forum all day, about how we are going to take over the world, once again

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This is as valid in Eve as someone in lowsec complaining that it's not fun that his hulk got blown up. As such, your belief that my vision of the economy is in any way liberal, let alone liberal in Eve is remarkably far from the facts. Do try to keep up.

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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

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You have to concede it was well worth the effort, Hexxx is lovely milk of information and news when you squeeze him Trudy like.

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Originally by: Estel Arador

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For me the problem is not so much that Hexx posted what he did, but that he apparently has information which is serious enough for him to make that post - information which has not been disclosed so far.

If the information warrants a public warning wouldn't it also warrant full disclosure?

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Originally by: Skarii TuThess

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As someone who works as a pricing analyst for the world's largest insurance company (yes I'm one upmanshipping you ;)), I'm going to be very upset with you Hexxx if you are thinking of the same idea as me.

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Originally by: Skarii TuThess

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As someone who works as a pricing analyst for the world's largest insurance company (yes I'm one upmanshipping you ;)), I'm going to be very upset with you Hexxx if you are thinking of the same idea as me.

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Originally by: Viktor Raybach

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Originally by: Skarii TuThess

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As someone who works as a pricing analyst for the world's largest insurance company (yes I'm one upmanshipping you ;)), I'm going to be very upset with you Hexxx if you are thinking of the same idea as me.

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If it's the same one:

I think you might find that there's more than one person/group working on said idea and at different stages of website development/coding.

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