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Zo5o Broski Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.06.10 23:49:00 - [31] Originally by: Dirty Sue Originally by: Zo5o Quote: So, it is the best T1 frig. Tristan > Rifter due to massive EHP potential. YA RLY. HABEEB IT. EHP is going to save your butt way more often than speed will in today's EVE, and I've pwned any rifter I've ever soloed in my Tristan. Granted, most of them could have easily pwned me by keeping out of blaster range and picking me off with T2 long range ammo... BUT THEY NEVER EXPECT THE EHP OF AN UNTANKED CRUISER, so they don't, and they die. Fighting noobs like the OP doesn't count. I've soloed some well-fit, experienced Rifter pilots who simply didn't expect a bajillion EHP, assumed they'd outbrawl me, and died trying. Even great pilots make mistakes. 1v1's aside tho I'd still take EHP over speed any day for a t1 frigate tackler in a gang/fleet. Speed re: getting in scram range and getting point on the target before they can warp off shouldn't be an issue because a t1 frigate shouldn't be the primary tackle in a gang... that's an interceptor's job. You're secondary tackle in a t1 frig, and as such EHP is going to give you more survivability than speed in today's EVE.
Liang Nuren The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.06.11 00:16:00 - [32] Originally by: HankMurphy missing something? missing everything!!!1 This. :) Also, a Caracal with any SP behind it will **** your day up. I mean, I have killed Caracals with a Rifter (and even bigger things), but that's the exception rather than the rule. :) -Lian
Ava Starfire	Posted - 2009.06.11 04:32:00 - [33] Edited by: Ava Starfire on 11/06/2009 04:32:16 Originally by: Derek Sigres Since a fully fitted T2 rifter costs less than 2 million isk, it's fairly easy to bankroll the learning experience. quote where are you T2 fitting rifters for <2m plz, cause id like to buy 50 or so. edited, sp
Kessiaan Minmatar MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.06.11 04:55:00 - [34] Rifter is a favorite because it's cheap and easy to skill for. Rifter is good because it puts out a fair amount of DPS, is really fast, has capless weapons, and has a pretty good tank. But it's not a super ship. Anything that will kill a T1 frig will kill a Rifter. Rifters have little variety in their fittings - all non-comedy Rifters are fit approximately the same way. There are many ways you can fit a Tristan or a Merlin, and still several good ways to fit up a Punisher. This means that anyone who sees you already has a good idea of how you're fit, which is a huge disadvantage - unless they're blind or not paying attention, you'll only get fights against people who think they can beat the cookie cutter Rifter or the common varients. Also if you don't have Thermodynamics and you're fighting someone who does, you're at a 15% disadvantage across the board, on top of whatever other skill differences you might have. EvE PvP isn't all about the SPs, but in 1v1 they're very, very important. The bigger the gang, the less of a difference SPs make though.
Rouge Drone	Posted - 2009.06.11 09:51:00 - [35] I agree that tristans are generally more powerful than rifters but they're sluggish as hell and blaster range sucks.
Morel Nova z3r0 Gravity YARRR and CO	Posted - 2009.06.11 10:08:00 - [36] Originally by: Rouge Drone I agree that tristans are generally more powerful than rifters but they're sluggish as hell and blaster range sucks. learn2null
Duke Starbuckington	Posted - 2009.06.11 13:05:00 - [37] Vigil wins.
Rouge Drone	Posted - 2009.06.11 13:07:00 - [38] Edited by: Rouge Drone on 11/06/2009 13:10:20 Originally by: Morel Nova Originally by: Rouge Drone I agree that tristans are generally more powerful than rifters but they're sluggish as hell and blaster range sucks. learn2null It still sucks. learn2update your jokes once every 5 years
Monticore D'Muertos Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2009.06.11 13:41:00 - [39] Edited by: Monticore D''Muertos on 11/06/2009 13:42:58 just learn to pick your targets i prefer 0.0 flying and getting ceptors to chase me and greifing their hauler/miners , never tried low sec. but i have soloed crusader/stilletos/blaster or railranis/ jaguars/crows/ pretty much any other frig. my set up is anti ceptor 3x 200s, rocket mwd/scram/medshield extender, od/nana/mapc , so vs crusier/af/scram equipmet anything i tend to avoid. but ceptors seem very eager to cme after me which is what i want.plus in hostile 0.0 space i need to gtfo alot so 3900m/s helps. the ab fit should work better in low sec just pick your targets like with anyother ship you just don;t need to learn the in and outs of your ships but also of everypossible fit other ships can fit. imicus/merlins/incursus/rifter/kestrel/punisher can be good but all depedns on you and your target.
Thuranni ffffffffffffffffffffffffffff	Posted - 2009.06.11 13:56:00 - [40] Originally by: BwanaKuu Originally by: Jones Bones l2fly What am I missing? Warp in, scramble them and web them, orbit at 500m, start guns (AB and DC already on). Rep when you start getting into armor, cycle it so you don't run out of cap. What else is there to it? You are flying a frigate. A solo frigate will not kill much of anything. Especially if it is being piloted by a complete rookie like yourself. A frigate is mostly good for tackling.

Agile Nakajima Minmatar Freelance Tax Inspectors	Posted - 2009.06.11 14:02:00 - [41] Originally by: Kessiaan But it's not a super ship. Anything that will kill a T1 frig will kill a Rifter. Rifters have little variety in their fittings - all non-comedy Rifters are fit approximately the same way. I disagree; I'd say there were three variants: active tank (200mm plate + repper + maybe a nos), armour tank (400mm plate) and shield tank (medium shield extender), and they fly somewhat differently too. Quote: Also if you don't have Thermodynamics and you're fighting someone who does, you're at a 15% disadvantage across the board, on top of whatever other skill differences you might have. This is very true.
Blind Jhon Amarr Alenia psy departement	Posted - 2009.06.11 15:09:00 - [42] Originally by: BwanaKuu We do... ... All fit well. Sure mate "all fit well" in theyr graves your 650mmII autocannon perfectly turn of wreking your untanked minmatar ship
Leon vanUber	Posted - 2009.06.11 15:35:00 - [43] Inb4 Wensley
Footoo Rama	Posted - 2009.06.11 18:55:00 - [44] Originally by: Zo5o Quote: So, it is the best T1 frig. Tristan > Rifter due to massive EHP potential. YA RLY. HABEEB IT. EHP is going to save your butt way more often than speed will in today's EVE, and I've pwned any rifter I've ever soloed in my Tristan. Granted, most of them could have easily pwned me by keeping out of blaster range and picking me off with T2 long range ammo... BUT THEY NEVER EXPECT THE EHP OF AN UNTANKED CRUISER, so they don't, and they die. Agree.. the Tristan is a little underated right now... It excels over the rifter in alot of areas, and is a little more versatile. Granted it comes down to pilots and skills, but IMHO the tristan is neck and neck with the rifter. ESP with the confusion that stupid drone tricks will allow.
Kessiaan Minmatar MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.06.11 19:19:00 - [45] The main issue with the Tristan is it's just so damn slow, especially compared to a Rifter which is both faster and has much longer range (with Barrage). It doesn't help that with the current state of rockets you're better off fitting a small neut most of the time, which will make the tanks of the usual SAR fits much less effective but does nothing to an MSE or 400 plated Rifter. For me, the key to winning against a Rifter is the same as winning any fight in a Gallente blasterboat - get in their face and stay there. Fitting web/scram/AB makes this pretty easy against MWD or MSE Rifters (as MSE Rifters don't fit a web), and Null helps tons as well, given the horrible range of CN AM in small blasters - all the extra DPS time you get from it more than outweighs the loss of damage from the lower tracking.
Tagami Wasp	Posted - 2009.06.11 22:36:00 - [46] Well skilled Caracals eat any frig, including Rifters for lunch. TP+ HMLs= dead frig/AF/Ceptor. Tristan is good, although it loses to Merlin (missiles at ship, blasters at drone, maneuver away from the Tristan's guns until you take out the drone, close in for the kill). Rifter is faster and can disengage. Rock Paper Scissors tbh.
Grimpak Gallente Clubs and Diamonds	Posted - 2009.06.11 22:53:00 - [47] *****es dunno 'bout rifter's pwnage.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2009.06.12 01:20:00 - [48] Rifter orbiting at 500m is setting itself up as a target for blasters. Rifter orbiting at 3km is staying out of range of frigate-sized blasters, while being placed nicely for frigate-sized autocannons. Don't pick fights with missile boats.
BwanaKuu	Posted - 2009.06.13 19:12:00 - [49] Edited by: BwanaKuu on 13/06/2009 19:15:54 Lol, I'm a total nub, that's because they grouped the guns... :X
Wensley Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.06.17 13:21:00 - [50] Edited by: Wensley on 17/06/2009 13:20:44 Originally by: Leon vanUber Inb4 Wensley Oh hai there! Rifters rock because of their versatility. Its been said many times in this thread already but they do everything well. You can fit them for specific roles (speed, tank, gank, etc) but their strongest suit is the standard setup that's been repeated ad nauseam in this thread and elsewhere. With the afterburner, web, and scram you can dictate the range of almost any up close and personal encounter. This means you can get out of blaster and neut range if you need to or get in close and operate underneath your opponents guns. To do this you need to know your targets and be able to adapt. If anything I'd say that the thing the Rifter is best at is running away. I regularly bite off more than I can chew and live to tell the tale a surprising number of times. That's the joy of Minmatar. Oh, and if you want some hints and tips on piloting Rifters here's a shameless plug for a rather nice Rifter PvP Guide. Its probably also worth reading 00sage00's Pilot Savviness Guide as well.

Dav Varan	Posted - 2009.06.17 14:57:00 - [51] No Best Frig in game is Merlin.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.17 15:09:00 - [52] Originally by: BwanaKuu So, it is the best T1 frig. But so what? The only thing I've found it useful for was tackling. That's it. Solo PvP has been awful in this so far. I'm using the standard setup 3xautocannon, 1xrocket, 1xweb, 1xscrambler, 1xab, 1x200mm plate, 1xarmor rep, 1xdamage control. Every time I've used this it gets pwned quite quickly. Orbit at 500mm, put the AB on, rep when needed. Gets destroyed every single time. What am I doing wrong? Don't tell me pick better targets, I'm using it against other frigs and cruisers. Hell, even a Caracal completely shut me down and I thought those were one of the easiest ships to kill! I'm starting to think the Rifter is worthless and just head right to the Rupture (using the "gank" fit from Battleclinic). Am I missing something? You are doing ti wrong it seems. Persoanlly I like the shiled tanked rifter better. Also, Caracals fitted for anti frig, will kill any frig it sees.


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