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Z'xera
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.06.12 13:05:00 -
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also who is going to be the best 3rd party to lock down with :) need to choose hehe |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.06.12 13:12:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Z'xera
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
What you'll want to do is focus on those capital items which you know can move quick and fast, scale back your initial spread. Focus on stay, plates, clusters, jump drives, and maybe... drone bays. Get two copies of each prints, setup two build alts and just source your minerals locally.
You stay within your operating goal of 15-20b, there is less logistical headache, and less risk overall.
If you plan to expand you can purchase prints and keep them local and build off copies if need be.
As stated before, I'd do all of the above and even offer research slots just for the hell of it. it does sound that you're genuinely interested in getting this off the ground and likely just need some assistance and push in the right direction.
correct i see good profit to be made even if have to sell to market and make new business connections etc good isk to be made.
With Regards to the moving through empire i fully understandso maybe concentrating my effort in one area initially were i can sell directly to market my business connections and maybe seek out more.
Indeed if anyone is reading this and is in need of extra cap componenets hit me up :)
Also maybe if i concentrate fully in one area, could it be possibly a better idea to build full sets of components then produce the ships aswell. not sure though as this needs more investment and am not sure inititally what that kind of burden.
You might find this to be easier. If you approach as the contractor with the business plan of "How many carrier do you build in a single month.... maybe I can provide you all of your drone bays, or armor plates, etc.."
And then as you prove yourself there... and here for that matter... expansion can be done quickly. Since you can then approach your customer and say "You know how I provide you all your 'insert part' maybe I can provide you 'insert part' as well?" |
Z'xera
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.06.12 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Z'xera
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
What you'll want to do is focus on those capital items which you know can move quick and fast, scale back your initial spread. Focus on stay, plates, clusters, jump drives, and maybe... drone bays. Get two copies of each prints, setup two build alts and just source your minerals locally.
You stay within your operating goal of 15-20b, there is less logistical headache, and less risk overall.
If you plan to expand you can purchase prints and keep them local and build off copies if need be.
As stated before, I'd do all of the above and even offer research slots just for the hell of it. it does sound that you're genuinely interested in getting this off the ground and likely just need some assistance and push in the right direction.
correct i see good profit to be made even if have to sell to market and make new business connections etc good isk to be made.
With Regards to the moving through empire i fully understandso maybe concentrating my effort in one area initially were i can sell directly to market my business connections and maybe seek out more.
Indeed if anyone is reading this and is in need of extra cap componenets hit me up :)
Also maybe if i concentrate fully in one area, could it be possibly a better idea to build full sets of components then produce the ships aswell. not sure though as this needs more investment and am not sure inititally what that kind of burden.
You might find this to be easier. If you approach as the contractor with the business plan of "How many carrier do you build in a single month.... maybe I can provide you all of your drone bays, or armor plates, etc.."
And then as you prove yourself there... and here for that matter... expansion can be done quickly. Since you can then approach your customer and say "You know how I provide you all your 'insert part' maybe I can provide you 'insert part' as well?"
it just finding the people that what to buy the said quantity of components because current business talk they will buy some obviosuly but still some left over |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.06.12 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Z'xera
it just finding the people that what to buy the said quantity of components because current business talk they will buy some obviosuly but still some left over
As an example...I burn through about 1300-1500 armor plates a month, depending on how many extra we're talking about and the locations, I might be willing to pick up your few extra here and there. |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
Zzz
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Posted - 2009.06.12 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Z'xera
also who is going to be the best 3rd party to lock down with :) need to choose hehe
First nail down your business plan, then ask each of the potential 3rd parties to tender an offer for the services you require of them, then pick the best offer.
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eVaLF
Delivery Luck
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Posted - 2009.06.12 13:38:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Z'xera
also who is going to be the best 3rd party to lock down with :) need to choose hehe
First nail down your business plan, then ask each of the potential 3rd parties to tender an offer for the services you require of them, then pick the best offer.
This. Honestly as I stated in my thread about this, the best bet is divide the shares between 3 or 5 people to lock them down, so even the person guarding the BPO's can walk away with them. Security on the Security if you will.
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Z'xera
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.06.12 14:50:00 -
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so, there is a high chance i could get componenet production going just need to find suitable 3rd parties etc to lock down.
couple of things if these bpo's are going to be locked down is audit required i quiet happy for one just weather its neccessary.
and before i post a finalised business plan i would like to seek out other producers to sell my componenets to, post on the sell forums i guess? |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:19:00 -
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Yes
Maybe, depends on the general malaise of investors that week you make the offer
Yes |
eVaLF
Delivery Luck
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:40:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Z'xera
so, there is a high chance i could get componenet production going just need to find suitable 3rd parties etc to lock down.
couple of things if these bpo's are going to be locked down is audit required i quiet happy for one just weather its neccessary.
and before i post a finalised business plan i would like to seek out other producers to sell my componenets to, post on the sell forums i guess?
Me personally I can care less about an audit if enough is locked down to get investors isk back.
I was under the understanding you had customers already? |
Z'xera
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.06.12 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: Z''xera on 12/06/2009 23:58:29
Originally by: eVaLF
Originally by: Z'xera
so, there is a high chance i could get componenet production going just need to find suitable 3rd parties etc to lock down.
couple of things if these bpo's are going to be locked down is audit required i quiet happy for one just weather its neccessary.
and before i post a finalised business plan i would like to seek out other producers to sell my componenets to, post on the sell forums i guess?
Me personally I can care less about an audit if enough is locked down to get investors isk back.
I was under the understanding you had customers already?
correct, but additional customers etc won't harm and if they decide to pull out etc don't want to be stuck with componenets that have be put on the market :)
ok i will look into sorting them been locked down as seems the prefered method
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.06.13 08:27:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Z'xera
i would be using the frieghter as that would need moving aswell so through high sec is resonably safe.
You would be a viable gank target with those BPOs in your cargo hold.
Most secure option: NPC corp Orca with the prints in the corp hangar.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
Zzz
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Posted - 2009.06.13 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Z'xera
i would be using the frieghter as that would need moving aswell so through high sec is resonably safe.
You would be a viable gank target with those BPOs in your cargo hold.
Most secure option: NPC corp Orca with the prints in the corp hangar.
That's how I do it.
Obviously the Orca can still be ganked and the BPOs can still be lost, but since the Orca's corp hangar cannot be scanned and the BPOs cannot drop as loot you will not be a viable target for the traditional suicide ganker. |
Z'xera
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.06.13 13:05:00 -
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i would probly make copys and use them instead
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Z'xera
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.06.13 18:40:00 -
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Edited by: Z''xera on 13/06/2009 18:41:41
Edited by: Z''xera on 13/06/2009 18:41:02
with regards to kaz's earlier post about concentrating on certain componenets rather than the majority of them, so i was thinking change it slighlty so the majority of the isk will be used to purchase bpo's that would give the best profit from selling on open market, but then also keeping the business contacts and possible long term customer as a smaller side to the operation.
anyone thoughts on this?
also will be in touch with bad,kazzac, eVaLF about lock down etc |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
Zzz
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Posted - 2009.06.14 10:54:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Z'xera
also will be in touch with bad,kazzac, eVaLF about lock down etc
For public record:
I have just had a private convo with Z'xera about the services he requires. We have nailed down his requirements and I have tendered my offer for providing those services. I will not make this offer public as it could prejudice his dealings with my competitors, but Z'xera is welcome to make it public or not as he sees fit.
For potential investors:
Z'xera comes across well and appears to be genuinely interested in making this scheme work. He is open to advice and suggestions, not believing he 'knows it all' at this stage in the game. I think his attitude is good and I think with a lockdown of the BPOs in place this investment poses little risk to investors capital. You can take that as my endorsement of this venture.
While I do stand to benefit financially if he accepts my offer, that eventuality is by no means certain and I can assure you that the amounts involved are not sufficient to pose a conflict of interest on my part. Should he accept my offer I will be working in partnership with him so as to achieve the full potential of this venture, but my loyalty will always be foremost to the investors whos isk I would be securing. |
Z'xera
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.06.15 06:46:00 -
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thanks bobby, i've also been in talk with evalf now just waiting to get in touch with kazz then we finalise a business plan and post here. |
Viktor Raybach
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Posted - 2009.06.22 17:14:00 -
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I'd like to know a few things before deciding whether to invest.
1) What's the handling system on the money/BPOs. Are investors meant to send you the money, for you to buy the BPOs and then give them to Kazzac (thereby invalidating the lockdown/security of you not holding the isk), does it go to Kazzac or a third party?
2) Estimated profit returns per month, breakdown of production etc. More flesh to the business plan please.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.06.22 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Raybach
I'd like to know a few things before deciding whether to invest.
1) What's the handling system on the money/BPOs. Are investors meant to send you the money, for you to buy the BPOs and then give them to Kazzac (thereby invalidating the lockdown/security of you not holding the isk), does it go to Kazzac or a third party?
2) Estimated profit returns per month, breakdown of production etc. More flesh to the business plan please.
Confirming what was said in the OP, prints will be locked down in secondary builder alt corp. Hangers at the various offices have will be setup to prevent access to prints (and existing prints inside house as well), however due to CCPs limiting granular control over active jobs there will be 3 other people with access to the active jobs panel including myself.
This will be my only involvement in the offering
@Viktor
Undecided, only thing I was brought on for was to lock the prints down and provide office space. I would suggest if investors trust me enough that I'd be more than happy to broker.
I do agree that more planning is needed here, namely what timeline on purchasing the prints, preresearched, researching as needed, etc... |
Z'xera
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.06.22 18:02:00 -
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thread updated with more info sorry about that :) kazz will need to talk to you ingame briefly but mail has been sent |
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