While I have a few objections to this [...]

Why are the colors restricted at all? I dunno if its a programming issue or what to have the entire color palate open to experimentation, but id like to have hues for hair color and pretty much everything.

Is there any specific reason why this is not so?

Also clothing, Whats with the few selected colors? is it easier to have skins for the articles of clothing as opposed to entirely new models for each piece? I dunno anything about texture mapping so i was wondering.

I'm pretty sure they stacked when Incarna first came out, why can't this still be the case?

I don't really care about skin color what I really want to see is those new outfits you had for a while on SiSi .. they were absolutely stunning, just what a space pilot from the future would be wearing. Gief nao plix

BLUE skin ................... this is EVE not Smurfs in space.

Does this mean the full spectrum of punk-rock colors will be available? Green, fire-engine red, purple etc?

but do they have to be so strict when it comes to character color, what if i want to paint my self neon green for when the night clubs become available in future incarna update. man i want to be neon green now.

Quoting this because I know this was an option in the past.

Why was it scrapped?
Because you knew we would do bad, very bad, things with it?

If you keep to the current, must look like a today character, I think you should not avoid the obese characters.
You can already create in the modeler one of those anorexia models that think they are sexy (/me shudders) running on the catwalk around in "victoria secrets" stuff.

Still waiting for a realistic semi-translucent greenish-pale natural ginger complexion to become available.

"We are adding 14 new skin colors, and they will replace the old skin colors in the color wheel"

why? why not in addition to? do these new skin colors use some new sharder or something? If your ading more and more colors just keep the old ones. Don't remove skin colors!

I'm not mad, just honestly curious whats behind removing old colors : )

No, they didn't. They completely killed the various olive and red skin shades FAI, which now are limited to one of each. And I should know it, as my mains' color has been deleted into oblivion. Oh, of course, we are allowed to keep our old colors if we choose to (how kind) but that doesn't changes that with the demise of my main's color i am left with a range of colors more suit to WoW clones than to EVE.

Admiteddly I am angry. But i feel i do have a reason to. A turn to the worst is a turn to the worst, and caliing it an improvement is a lie no matter what color you paint it.

And what makes it worst: what was the need to do it?

The real question is - if my Eve character had s-word with hello kitty - what colour would the offspring be and would it be carrying a heart?

edit: ...or would you prefer not to know ?-)

I'm sure that didn't come out quite as you wanted while observing the context :)

you just were scared to release this without proper burger-assets wasn't you ?

So do it?

if the player feedback is "there isn't enough red skin tones", then... add some?

CCP:

When are we going to see MOAR Nex stuff?

I know some may be sore about the whole MT / Jita Protest stuff, but I see nothing wrong with using PLEX to pay for an Artist to come up with cool stuff as long as it isn't game breaking which the NEX STORE IS NOT.

I want MOAR clothes, MOAR art we can buy, MOAR CUSTOM SHIP SKINS AND CORP LOGOS....MOAR I SAY! PLEASE PLEASANTLY SUPRISE ME! :)

::cracks the whip on the CCP Artists!::

since this is part of the art department, can we get some answers from them regarding the new Amarr V3 color issues as being talked about on the Test Server sub-forum?

Is height variable ever intended to be implemented ?

My character is intended to be below average height - atm, I can't make him so.

And what about the second thing: camera offset in Character Recustomization window for dual screens?

Please link the threads that are relevant places for us to post in.

Why are they not reading an essentially art development blog response thread is a little... whut?

There's been several threads and not any response

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=104414
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=104351
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1293055

Some of the ship changes look good but a lot of them have had their great golden color turned to brown mud and the bright red dulled. See the Guardian. If you could have one of them take a peek at our threads and respond, would be great

I'm pretty sure they didn't... or at least I don't see how that could have been possible since it's just a flag and that hasn't changed since Incursion.

None of the threads linked by you or Lyron-Baktos are About character models or coloration. While ship colors are important, this thread and devblog is specifically about Characters.

are there any about characters that the art department or whom ever is responsible for the color of characters is posting or reading? If they are the same people then those are to places ill start posting, Even if it is off that thread topic.

Please link the threads that are relevant places for us to post in.

Why are they not reading an essentially art development blog response thread is a little... whut?

While I do appreciate that CCP Karkur is answering threads, it seems that CCCP Karkur doesn't have the fullest picture or the leeway to respond to the central theme of many of the threads about character creation and options.

1. What prompted the changes to Character skin color changes and why are the some of the old colors no longer going to be available?
2. Why are there restrictions on the colors available at all?
3. What is are the guidelines to "correct style and vision" and who determines that?
4. Is this a programming architecture issue? as in different ways of adding colors dont scale properly when looking at more then one character? or is the restrictions an artistic choice rather then a technical limitation?
->4.1. If its a programming issue (which the direction of your posts seems not to point to) are there other options that you are looking at? or is it a "this is the only way that it can be done reasonably"
->4.2. People will make ugly avatars. No matter what sort of settings filters you put in there, someone will find a way to make it ugly. also personal preferences in beauty etc.
5. Quite simply i don't understand why choices are limited to less then what is available today. in terms of base colors. I expect more varied choices here then a 24 pack of crayons.

Also Fuu i dont like this, Hate me i dont care. Im mad!!!!! while CCP talk about super expansion caled INFERNO!!! where most importand changes are face lifting!!!

Where is this "resculpt" to be found. I have heard about it, but never seen it.

I was checking new skintones for few days - especially pale one. Created pale Gallente pilot(s) but in captain quarters she's as tanned as usual Gallente despite vampiric look on thumbnail.

Is it a bug? When to expect actual pale skin implementation within captain quarters?

Also if during character sculpting I press "previous step" button skin tone switches to standard tanned tone no matter what was actual previous step in character creator interface + character losing clothing set if clothes were removed via mini-button in top-left corner (these are definitely very annoying bugs - but I'm too lazy to go through process of submission).

Also if during character sculpting I press "previous step" button skin tone switches to standard tanned tone no matter what was actual previous step in character creator interface + character losing clothing set if clothes were removed via mini-button in top-left corner (these are definitely very annoying bugs - but I'm too lazy to go through process of submission).

Please do something about Vherokiror eyes.

I've checked it few minutes ago. Pale skin is extremely bright on character thumbnail and I wanted to check if it will look within captain quarters as unnatural as Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise in "Interview with vampire" - but character's look in captain quarters is pretty much average (and alive) Caucasian.

I wanted to be sure I won't regret if I'll select this skintone on TQ - and somehow within captain quarters it looks the same as present not-so-pale skin. Checked in Gallente, Amarr, Minmatar and Caldari CQ - to be sure it's not local light effect. Actually it's not a big deal unless pilot will be changed into vampire after few weeks - suddenly after casual update / bugfix.

And thanks for re-sculpting! Couple of my ugly pilots are very grateful.

I've asked a similar question earlier, and it was completely ignored. Yours seems to be, too. I guess CCP artists care so little about hair that we don't even rate a response. *shrug*

MDD

Steps are very simple:
Preparation
1) character (re-)sculpting interface;
2) change skin to pale;
3) put some clothes on and switch them off using "mini-man" button in top-left corner of screen (optional step - skintone will change no matter what);
4) do something with character (sculpt face. body) and

here goes bug itself:

5) hop through history using back/forward buttons and mouse (or just "back" in many cases)

suddenly clothing is not set anymore and skintone switch to default instead of pale. I can reproduce it in 100% of situations - meaning 100% of players will face it after release.

Submitted - bug report ID 135552 in case if you want to track it.

I think this issue could have been worked out along with players before you essentially left 70% of humanity out of your "we want darker" solution. Was an issue players weren't aware that actually existed, has been fixed without asking us and now you just pissed off people who's got colored skin but are not African.

BTW, in case that i am being misunderstood, i may point that by "red skin" i mean this color:

Light red skin (Ollanta Humala, president of Peru)

Dark red skin (Evo Morales, president of Bolivia)

Submitted - bug report ID 135552 in case if you want to track it.

Pale skintone severely bugged - as I suspected right from start (I didn't check other tones): upon exiting re-scuplting character is tanned as usually in captain quarters and after entering character customization window it's becoming obvious pale skin missed in action - check this image:

http://imgur.com/n7oGp
http://i.imgur.com/n7oGp.jpg?1

Also as you can see character is tanned in captain quarters and I wouldn't call that "pale" (I didn't change or re-customize character after re-sculpting - thumbnail on Sisi still has pale skin, note: this is not Lipbite character on the image, but I can tell her name to check difference between saved pale thumbnail and tanned character and new thumbnails).

There will be unimaginable amount of whine if this bug will make it onto live servers.

Submitted bug report # 135608

Well, giving "Two" with one hand and taking away "Three" with the other is becoming an habit for CCP... and sooner or later they will have it.

You understood correctly, Incursion delivered 5 locked skin colors for each race, thus there was a total of 5 x 3 x4 = 60 skin colors.

Now every race has got the same 14 colors, minus some races which won't be getting the darker ones for coherence reasons and minus the Khanid characters as their red skin color has been removed from the new palette.

In most places in the world, moving from 60 unique options to 14 generic ones is deemed LESS and not MORE, but CCP offices in Reykjavik are a funny place...

Thanks for discussing it at least, obviously is a minor issue in the grand scheme of things but still is an issue about how players RP ourselves.

Aaand, having 14 options for each race (albeit most were the same) would be more diverse than have the same 14 for everyone...

is it me or do we now look much older? Karkur's pics even look older.

My portrait looks like normal but when I go ingame and actually look at my face, it appears much older. Could be me though as I rarely look at my face in game and may just not have noticed. But the portrait does look different then my toon though

DOH!

You just incarnated my worst nightmare with the new skintypes, editing some of my girls and not just LOSE her original color, but have it shifted to something ludicrous.

Best wishes and hope they'll get to you soon.

I looked at that big skin tone image CCP karkur made... Many of the new default skin tones look sickly and unattractive. Too many of the new defaults are too close together in hue.

If I'm Intaki but someone from another bloodline can turn out looking basically the same as me due to having the exact same skin tone choices, hair choices, clothing, etc.... What point is there in having a race or a bloodline at all? Restricting just a few skin tones and eye shape does not leave enough distinction.

DOH!

You just incarnated my worst nightmare with the new skintypes, editing some of my girls and not just LOSE her original color, but have it shifted to something ludicrous.

Best wishes and hope they'll get to you soon.

Why, oh why are all CCP female devs so lovely?


(BTW: any news on the missing Khanid color? )

So can I check out the new skintypes without inadvertently changing colors now?

Sorry for potential necroposting, but I was wondering have the skintones been fixed? By fixed I mean looking at least somewhat human.

Last I checked, probably about a month back while I still had a working computer, there was no proper caucasian skintone available. Basicly choices were sickly yellow, albino white and dark chocolate brown. Now, I probably wouldn't have minded yellow except it looked like you had a bad liver disease. Perhaps nothing wrong with brown either other than it looked completely unnatural, like my character had been made of chocolate. As for why I don't want to look like an albino-slash-chalked supergoth white probably doesn't need an explanation.

So, do the skintones look more natural today or not? Thanks in advance for replies.