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Borb Mizzet
Black Serpent Technologies
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Posted - 2009.07.08 23:20:00 -
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Edited by: Borb Mizzet on 08/07/2009 23:19:49
I support this, but make it so it can only be used in .8 and below
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swordmaster125
Ascent of Ages
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.07.09 02:00:00 -
[62]
/signed for the idea in .8 and below only
ive been considering training a widow or sin for ages, i might actually get around to it for once =D
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smokeydapot
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Posted - 2009.07.11 07:56:00 -
[63]
I would love to see this idea happen it would add an intresting aspect to the game.
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Alu Nossie
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Posted - 2009.07.12 00:08:00 -
[64]
i support the cause
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Marcus Gideon
The NightClub
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Posted - 2009.07.13 16:50:00 -
[65]
Anything that brings life back to the Black Ops...
Otherwise they're a rather useless ship, by most opinions. |
Glafri
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Posted - 2009.07.14 13:23:00 -
[66]
I like it!
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Marlona Sky
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.07.14 22:02:00 -
[67]
Shame we can't get more PvP oriented people into the CSM instead of carebears...
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Capt Minor
Amarr
Minority Crusaders
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Posted - 2009.07.15 14:30:00 -
[68]
Sounds as a nice idea but High sec wont be high sec anylonger. 
All carebears small mining/industrial corps can become easy WT for new Black Ops Exploiting Corp.
Room around the victims area of interest in many different systems at the same time. Hotdrop on the victim. Kill with approval. After taking out a few Freighters some Hulks etc, propose that the victimized Corp pay for protection and you have a sure income. 
I have started training up my Black Ops Skills now. 
Pirating without getting punished for it. Sure thing.
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
Endemic Aggression
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.07.15 16:08:00 -
[69]
No.
There's already too much hi sec this and that in EvE.
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Capt Minor
Amarr
Minority Crusaders
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Posted - 2009.07.15 16:24:00 -
[70]
Around Covert jump hauling. Well not really something that should be a concern. Its so easy to use an hauling alt so the covert stuff wont have any benefit unless if in war or going directly to/from low/0.0 sec. Then its okay anyway. It wont make any impact on trading in general IMO.
BUT you really have to study these pages:
http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Military_Tactics#Gate_Camping_Tactics_.28Defensive.29
and in general
http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Military_Tactics
http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Military_Strategy
and understand that when we circumvent the gates it has an enourmous impact on strategy selection. A point which most ppl in EVE havent realized yet.!!
Every single gate is a pinch and they are always the big issue in any RL warfare and also in EVE.!
Wait until the covert / black ops is more common in PVP in low/0.0 sec. Then probably you wont even think of taking Covert Cyno to high sec.
All the other suggestions made from CSM to make Black Ops a better ship is probably a more approbiate way to raise Black Ops awareness. Also a hughe price cut could could be the way. Its nearly the same as a dread and 2x a carrier.
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2009.07.15 16:31:00 -
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smokeydapot
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Posted - 2009.07.15 21:23:00 -
[72]
Ok on the topic of Tactics First there has to be a ship equiped with a covert ops cyno for the ship to by-pass the gate ( an effective camp will pop said ship in seconds ) so the point of ships by-passing pinch points hear is not a valid.
Offensive Tactics ( for the force with black ops ) well one of the oldest Tactics known the pincer move this could ( if done right ) be a deverstating move on the side of the attacking force stoping the campers retreat through a gate. yes this Tactic could be used already but with little option than to find alt routs ( if any exist ) to perform such a Tactic the black ops is the ship for the job ( after all it is a specialist ship ).
for the above reasons and plenty more i stand by my vote of let the black ops have the ability to cyno jump into high sec systems ( like said else where 0.8 sec systems) would be good.
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Capt Minor
Amarr
Minority Crusaders
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Posted - 2009.07.15 21:51:00 -
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Well a covert recon just slip through ALL gate camps. Its what I do today in my blokade runner and in my recons and covert ops. You just fit a covert cyno on a cloaked covert and call in the rest of the covert gang including the Black Ops.
Covert and Black Ops do circumvent all gate camping. Thats their special ability.
Besides the ship lighting the covert cyno can be an alt thats just joining the fleet.!
NO.
Let Black Ops get popular in PVP in 0.0 and then lets talk again. Just because its not have been popular in 0.0. I think its wrong to try to get this going by taking it to high sec. Let do it in 0.0 first.! ANd by alll means lets use it for popping pirates in low sec. 
When the tide has turned and CCP has made the needed change to Black Ops it will find it niche use.
Btw. In fact a Redeemer has the exact same DPS as a an Apoc.! Range is just shorter.
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smokeydapot
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Posted - 2009.07.16 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: smokeydapot on 16/07/2009 22:15:24
You are limiting the ability of this ship to just PVP and this is a bit one track what about faction war's or even just corp wars in high sec systems ( yes the mentioned have PVP aspects but its not just PVP combat ) PVP is not the be all and end all of this game just the role you may want to play ( this could realy make faction war's intresting ).
Effective camps in high sec you mean you dont know already well im not guna give you hints on that front 
at the end of the day the ship needs to be used more ( at least thats what im hearing ) and changing the abilities like with high sec cyno's would add a new lease of life to the ship and im all for that.
yes i know there are many many aspects in EVE you have to do in low sec / 0.0 my question was why like what was said at the begining of the thread " Covert cynos already ignore cyno jammers, and cannot be easily detected (dont show up system wide on overview). So what is preventing pilots from using covert portals in high sec empire space? ".
My vote is still yes to this idea my opinion has been posted and my mind made up.
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Felix Mibaz
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Posted - 2009.07.17 02:14:00 -
[75]
 Originally by: Becq Starforged
I'm opposed to this.
The OP suggested that this would limit the defensive use of alt sentries as defensive measures, and that might be true. However, the advantage of using an alt as a sentry over another player is marginal at best, which makes this have fairly little value in that sense. At the same time, it also magnifies many times over the value of alt acouts (and particularly neutral alt scouts) for the offensive activities. Under this plan, for example, there would be literally no way at all to defend a mining op during wartime, as the WTs would simply scout the op in a neutral alt, then nearly instantly cyno a bomber/recon fleet to the op. Same with missions, gate camps, or any other high-sec activity that doesn't involve station-hugging. Given that the key player is a neutral party, there would be absolutely no defense to this beyond staying in the station. The new griefer tactic would be to have a neutral alt try to invite his main's WTs into a mission, then drop a fleet on them via cyno.
To ensure balance, there would have to be two additional restrictions placed on covert cynos used in high-sec, in my opinion. First, they can only be used in 'empty space'. That is, they could be used at a safespot BM, but not at a station, gate, belt, or mission location. (This has the added advantage of preventing the inevitable constant multiple cyno at every key point in Jita.) Second, the cyno and resulting bridge can only be used by ships from the same corp/alliance as the cyno pilot. To clarify, these restrictions would only affect cynos lit in high-sec.
Frankly, I'm against this in any case, but without the above the game would be completely destroyed for the targets of griefer corps.
This.
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fuze
Chosen Path
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.07.17 10:21:00 -
[76]
Don't think time/investment in smuggling drugs would make it interesting enough.
Hauling from/to low-sec POS with blockade runners might.
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Zionner
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Posted - 2009.07.17 16:51:00 -
[77]
I like!
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Iwant Urstuff
Amarr
Iwant Urstuff Corp
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Posted - 2009.07.20 14:12:00 -
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Hrmmm, well one response on drug issue, although the response they aren't used much really begs the issue of why there is a video on youtube about drug running tens of billions worth of drugs into Jita, complete with much dying by the customs officials. I see some others are aware of the trade issues this raises and while I am not the fondest supporter of the pirates in EVE they do make travel in hi sec interesting. I think the covert cynos would ensure easy movement of say Titan BPOs and a host of other items. A covert cyno does not show up on the system overview. On the whole I think this is something that should not be added to hi sec.
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MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2009.07.20 17:02:00 -
[79]
Been yelling about this before, still think it would be kickass to have, DO EEET. |
Twilight Magester
Foundation
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.07.21 07:53:00 -
[80]
Sounds good.
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DaKoo
UK1 Zero
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Posted - 2009.08.01 13:58:00 -
[81]
Edited by: DaKoo on 01/08/2009 13:58:33
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Reisenkaze
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Posted - 2009.08.01 23:32:00 -
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I'm all for this.
As far as the outlaw issue, why not have a system that removes the ability to if your sec goes into outlaw status, and this be considered a privilege by CONCORD rather than a right?
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w1ndstrike
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Posted - 2009.08.01 23:41:00 -
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Edited by: w1ndstrike on 01/08/2009 23:48:21
Edited by: w1ndstrike on 01/08/2009 23:47:22
the only thing that comes to mind is if T3 ships with a covert reconfiguration subsystem can be cyno'd by a blackops ship. even so any wartarget will have some kind of warning (local much?)
I can't see trade being significantly impacted because of the fuel cost associated with moving such a small amount of cargo. anything giving returns at that rate probably already has stability issues.
as for the lowsec entry being an issue, all it does is reduce the exposure of a well organized operation to opportunistic PvP, which is the reward from being organized in the first place (give effort, get rewarded for actually putting in the effort) I know there are going to be some pirates that are unhappy about this, and here is your solution: pop the fuel carrier for the pos that is getting stuff out that way. or simply wardec the empire corp and probe down the cyno vessel while its in the middle of a cycle, then clean up the hauler as it comes through.
*edit*
a couple of things I forgot to add:
one thing that has been said over and over again, is that highsec isn't "safe space" its "safer space" this motion would highlight that nicely, and add more possibilities of play to those that live in highsec. (and not just the carebears at that)
also it would give blackops some kind of usefulness beyond 0.0 pvp operations, which it badly needs. solves that gripe without a nerf or a buff.
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Carniflex
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.08.10 08:14:00 -
[84]
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Hester Shaw
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Posted - 2009.08.10 15:54:00 -
[85]
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