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Yvella	Posted - 2009.06.13 21:42:00 - [1] Hi, These look to be the best faction frigates atm and would like some ideas on how to fit one, and how to use it
NoNah	Posted - 2009.06.13 21:44:00 - [2] I prefer fitting it with lasers and shields. I prefer to use it for pve. You're welcome. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 942688
Yvella	Posted - 2009.06.13 21:51:00 - [3] Really? Based on the bonuses and slot layout I thought it was a missile spitting armour tanker? I was thinking of [high] 2 MPLs 2 overheating sinks [mid] AB faction Scram Web MSE 2 [low] HS 2 [rigs] 3x CDFE Crappy resists tho
4THELULZ	Posted - 2009.06.13 23:38:00 - [4] Any particular reason you want to fly 100mil worth of frigate into PVP other than the lulzy lossmail figures when it finally pops?
Drakan290	Posted - 2009.06.14 00:18:00 - [5] I don't see PvP mentioned anywhere in the OP
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.06.14 00:51:00 - [6] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 14/06/2009 00:52:51 Originally by: Yvella Really? Based on the bonuses and slot layout I thought it was a missile spitting armour tanker? I was thinking of [high] 2 MPLs 2 overheating sinks [mid] AB faction Scram Web MSE 2 [low] HS 2 [rigs] 3x CDFE Crappy resists tho That's about as good as it'll get. I think that shield rigs are reasonably cheap so those will help with the resists, although they'll be further inflating your already MSE'd signature radius.
el Sabor	Posted - 2009.06.14 03:30:00 - [7] Originally by: 4THELULZ Any particular reason you want to fly 100mil worth of frigate into PVP other than the lulzy lossmail figures when it finally pops? ...because it's more fun to take pricey frigs! It's an awesome ship and deserves to go kill people who underestimate it.
159Pinky Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2009.06.14 06:55:00 - [8] Fitted mine like this: [Missions] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Gistii B-Type 1MN Afterburner Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Stasis Webifier II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Medium Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Small Nosferatu II Small Nosferatu II Energy Collision Accelerator I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Works perfect for lvl 1 and 2 missions. If you're really rich you can alwyas pimp it with faction heat sinks etc etc, but the dmg output from this frig is allready huge and the tank is good enough :)
4THELULZ	Posted - 2009.06.14 10:12:00 - [9] Originally by: Drakan290 I don't see PvP mentioned anywhere in the OP I would assume given they fitted a scrambler to the setup in post 3 it's intended for pvp. Quote: ...because it's more fun to take pricey frigs! It's an awesome ship and deserves to go kill people who underestimate it. Sometime I'm gonna have to get someone to explain to me where exactly the fun is in pointlessly losing vast amounts of ISK because I really don't see it.
Sash Brutor	Posted - 2009.06.14 10:30:00 - [10] ///Sometime I'm gonna have to get someone to explain to me where exactly the fun is in pointlessly losing vast amounts of ISK because I really don't see it. /// Cos its fun ... cool ... no probs about ISK ... why not?
Yvella	Posted - 2009.06.14 10:46:00 - [11] Yes, my bad This was for PVP. Why spend loads of isk on something that is going to get popped? What else am I going to spend isk on, my mortgage a car? I keep seeing a tonne of SB's flying around and what something funny to splat them if they take the bait.
4THELULZ	Posted - 2009.06.14 10:49:00 - [12] Edited by: 4THELULZ on 14/06/2009 10:54:27 Originally by: Yvella Yes, my bad This was for PVP. Why spend loads of isk on something that is going to get popped? What else am I going to spend isk on, my mortgage a car? I keep seeing a tonne of SB's flying around and what something funny to splat them if they take the bait. You don't need much more than a t1 frigate to pop a stealth bomber dumb enough to try soloing a frigate. Edit: and the funny thing is a lot of them fit MWDs these days, so with an AB you probably wouldn't catch them to splat them in the first place. Alternate uses for that isk? How about 5 fully fitted assault frigates?
Yvella	Posted - 2009.06.14 10:56:00 - [13] indeed, but I am not wanting the SB to engage me. + some people get all excited when they see a faction frigate.
Enden Assulu Caldari Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.14 12:08:00 - [14] Originally by: Yvella indeed, but I am not wanting the SB to engage me. + some people get all excited when they see a faction frigate. and then they gank you with 20 of their friends. Click the image!
Yvella	Posted - 2009.06.14 12:17:00 - [15] Edited by: Yvella on 14/06/2009 12:18:35 So the request was for setup ideas and thoughts for a succubus, so far only Dirk and 159Pinky have answered on topic. Thank you Dirk and 159Pinky Edit: apologies to 159Pinky
Sakos Vartrow Rapscallions	Posted - 2009.06.14 12:32:00 - [16] Here is how i set mine up: [Succubus, Succubus] Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Heat Sink II Coreli C-Type 1MN Afterburner Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Invulnerability Field II Medium Shield Extender II Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Small Diminishing Power System Drain I Salvager I /OFFLINE Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Energy Collision Accelerator I Almost 9k EHP (over 9000 with overheated invuln), 208 dps with ANM, and 166 with scorch. Not quite as awesome as a Phantasm but still cool for a frig, and it can go in the minor FW plexes.
Duke Starbuckington	Posted - 2009.06.14 14:43:00 - [17] I'm going to fly a stupidly expensive frigate! Flying expensive ships is fun! Even though it's expensive I could do just as well in numerous assault frigates! I like roleplaying space pi±atas for pirates birthday parties! I'm a moron with too much money and not enough brain cells! Why not just spend all your money on a proteus, load the cargo hold with faction and officer loot and then when you get ransomed, just give them everything you have left in your wallet. Thats all you need to do to make pirates happy.
NoNah	Posted - 2009.06.14 14:49:00 - [18] Originally by: Duke Starbuckington I'm going to fly a stupidly expensive frigate! Flying expensive ships is fun! Even though it's expensive I could do just as well in numerous assault frigates! I like roleplaying space pi±atas for pirates birthday parties! I'm a moron with too much money and not enough brain cells! Why not just spend all your money on a proteus, load the cargo hold with faction and officer loot and then when you get ransomed, just give them everything you have left in your wallet. Thats all you need to do to make pirates happy. Not sure how, but you manage to sound like one of those who are not quite capable of making isk. That said after such an articulate and wellphrased post(s?) I'm sure it's not due to lacking intellect but some entirely different reason. After all... there's few things in EVE you can't make a good buck out of if you're good at it.
Duke Starbuckington	Posted - 2009.06.14 14:56:00 - [19] Edited by: Duke Starbuckington on 14/06/2009 14:56:22 Originally by: NoNah Originally by: Duke Starbuckington I'm going to fly a stupidly expensive frigate! Flying expensive ships is fun! Even though it's expensive I could do just as well in numerous assault frigates! I like roleplaying space pi±atas for pirates birthday parties! I'm a moron with too much money and not enough brain cells! Why not just spend all your money on a proteus, load the cargo hold with faction and officer loot and then when you get ransomed, just give them everything you have left in your wallet. Thats all you need to do to make pirates happy. Not sure how, but you manage to sound like one of those who are not quite capable of making isk. That said after such an articulate and wellphrased post(s?) I'm sure it's not due to lacking intellect but some entirely different reason. After all... there's few things in EVE you can't make a good buck out of if you're good at it. Ah the old you must be poor arguement. Sorry but that doesn't work. I'm not jealous of people richer than me flying expensive ships. Im sick of morons who obviously don't know what they're doing throwing their money away by flying ships that are stupidly expensive and only marginally better than anything else they could be flying for a 3rd of the pri.... What am I saying... Fly all the expensive ships you want, you guys are my targets.
NoNah	Posted - 2009.06.14 15:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Duke Starbuckington Ah the old you must be poor arguement. Sorry but that doesn't work. I'm not jealous of people richer than me flying expensive ships. Im sick of morons who obviously don't know what they're doing throwing their money away by flying ships that are stupidly expensive and only marginally better than anything else they could be flying for a 3rd of the pri.... What am I saying... Fly all the expensive ships you want, you guys are my targets. Evolution! This is also a great part of eve, where younger and less experienced players can compensate their lack of experience and skillpoints with cheer isk, which eventually will be lost to someone else who gains that isk and pays for new ships of their own. As far as costefficiency goes, the only costefficient ship in the game is the velator. If person X got the isk but not the skills for whatever ship you intended to suggest - it's in fact a pretty reasonable investment. Contrary to that assault ship he can't fly at all. I'm sure most rather pay 100 mil for a ship they can and want to fly than 10 mil for a ship they can't and don't want to. THere are enough cookie cutters around as it is. As for my post, I never suggested you were poor, I'm just astonished you managed to sound dimwitted enough to be. By the way, you must find Entity the biggest fool in EVE, no?
jagoff Cosmic Cakes	Posted - 2009.06.14 15:05:00 - [21] succubus kicks butt. i saw one in a level 4 complex clear out all the cruisers while speed tanking the battleships.
OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR	Posted - 2009.06.14 15:35:00 - [22] Originally by: NoNah Originally by: Duke Starbuckington Ah the old you must be poor arguement. Sorry but that doesn't work. I'm not jealous of people richer than me flying expensive ships. Im sick of morons who obviously don't know what they're doing throwing their money away by flying ships that are stupidly expensive and only marginally better than anything else they could be flying for a 3rd of the pri.... What am I saying... Fly all the expensive ships you want, you guys are my targets. Evolution! This is also a great part of eve, where younger and less experienced players can compensate their lack of experience and skillpoints with cheer isk, which eventually will be lost to someone else who gains that isk and pays for new ships of their own. As far as costefficiency goes, the only costefficient ship in the game is the velator. If person X got the isk but not the skills for whatever ship you intended to suggest - it's in fact a pretty reasonable investment. Contrary to that assault ship he can't fly at all. I'm sure most rather pay 100 mil for a ship they can and want to fly than 10 mil for a ship they can't and don't want to. THere are enough cookie cutters around as it is. As for my post, I never suggested you were poor, I'm just astonished you managed to sound dimwitted enough to be. By the way, you must find Entity the biggest fool in EVE, no? If new players want to learn to pvp they shouldn't be doing it with expensive ships. No matter how much money they have if they fly ships like the succubus you're just wasting money. You might as well learn in a ship that isn't going to make you bankrupt, especially when you can do the same job just as effectively in much cheaper ships and thus learn the basics of pvp for a much cheaper price. I still don't understand this argument of how expensive ships suddenly become more fun to fly. If that's the case Black Ops pilots must be having a whale of a time. To you it may seem like you're cruising down the road showing off your expensive car, but to others you're in a race in an expensive car that just doesn't go fast enough to justify the price.
4THELULZ	Posted - 2009.06.14 15:39:00 - [23] I don't think he meant brand new players, just people who lack the SP for something like an AF. Having said that, for someone who lacks the ability to even fly an AF it's probably still a bad idea to be running round in a 130mil isk insta popper...
Yvella	Posted - 2009.06.14 17:24:00 - [24] Wow, I am feeling the community rage This has been a great topic to get out all the RL rage Let's have a little context. My frigate PVP learning is done in rifters and punishers. They are fun, ridiculously cheap and surprisingly effective. I will soon have all my succubus skills to a reasonable level, and as this is a COMPUTER GAME, I thought that it might be fun to take out a faction ship for a spin, why else would I w**** lvl 4s? To the argument that it is silly to spend too much for minimal performance gain, well at frigate level maybe you are right. But note that the higher your skills and wallet the more you are paying in isk or time to gain marginal performance bonuses. +3% implants vs +5%. To the argument that it is just immoral to spend so much isk on a ship. This is an internet spaceship game, I am not spending real money that could have been spent to feed a starving child, we do that anyway to pay for this game. Succubi do not cost 100 mill isk, try learning patience and how to setup a WTB contract. Plus how is killing an expensive faction ship going to make you any richer? The loot is the same TLDR have more fun and feel less bitter
Duke Starbuckington	Posted - 2009.06.14 17:40:00 - [25] Originally by: Yvella Wow, I am feeling the community rage This has been a great topic to get out all the RL rage Let's have a little context. My frigate PVP learning is done in rifters and punishers. They are fun, ridiculously cheap and surprisingly effective. I will soon have all my succubus skills to a reasonable level, and as this is a COMPUTER GAME, I thought that it might be fun to take out a faction ship for a spin, why else would I w** lvl 4s? To the argument that it is silly to spend too much for minimal performance gain, well at frigate level maybe you are right. But note that the higher your skills and wallet the more you are paying in isk or time to gain marginal performance bonuses. +3% implants vs +5%. To the argument that it is just immoral to spend so much isk on a ship. This is an internet spaceship game, I am not spending real money that could have been spent to feed a starving child, we do that anyway to pay for this game. Succubi do not cost 100 mill isk, try learning patience and how to setup a WTB contract. Plus how is killing an expensive faction ship going to make you any richer? The loot is the same TLDR have more fun and feel less bitter It doesn't make you richer, it makes the pirates feel better, makes you primaried more and costs you more especially in the long run. Whether you're solo or in a group an AF will still always be cheaper and just as effective. Plus assuming you're trained for minmatar you get the jaguar which, looks awesome and performs excellently. "This has been a great topic to get out all the RL rage" ** you!
Grann Thefauto Internal Anarchy	Posted - 2009.06.14 18:05:00 - [26] Girls dig faction ships. On a succubus, one of the best fits I've seen was an active tank with the best faction sheild booster. I think it tanked over 200 dps without blinking and put out close to the same in damage. Not on windows though now so I can't actually check that in EFT.
abrasive soap Balls Deep Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.14 20:05:00 - [27] Edited by: abrasive soap on 14/06/2009 20:05:24 Originally by: Duke Starbuckington Originally by: Yvella Wow, I am feeling the community rage This has been a great topic to get out all the RL rage Let's have a little context. My frigate PVP learning is done in rifters and punishers. They are fun, ridiculously cheap and surprisingly effective. I will soon have all my succubus skills to a reasonable level, and as this is a COMPUTER GAME, I thought that it might be fun to take out a faction ship for a spin, why else would I w** lvl 4s? To the argument that it is silly to spend too much for minimal performance gain, well at frigate level maybe you are right. But note that the higher your skills and wallet the more you are paying in isk or time to gain marginal performance bonuses. +3% implants vs +5%. To the argument that it is just immoral to spend so much isk on a ship. This is an internet spaceship game, I am not spending real money that could have been spent to feed a starving child, we do that anyway to pay for this game. Succubi do not cost 100 mill isk, try learning patience and how to setup a WTB contract. Plus how is killing an expensive faction ship going to make you any richer? The loot is the same TLDR have more fun and feel less bitter It doesn't make you richer, it makes the pirates feel better, makes you primaried more and costs you more especially in the long run. Whether you're solo or in a group an AF will still always be cheaper and just as effective. Plus assuming you're trained for minmatar you get the jaguar which, looks awesome and performs excellently. "This has been a great topic to get out all the RL rage" ** you! afs have terrible capacitors and half do less damage than the succubus while the other half do the same damage or less or have a worse tank or any combination of the above- plus it shield tanks and has lasers so you move pretty quickly and have good range i am just unimpressed by afs after using retributions (no mids), jaguars (bad capacitor), wolves (it could be better), vengeances (with lasers and with rockets, both doing terrible damage), enyos (with rails which was sort of fun and with blasters which was pretty bad), and ishkurs (the capacitor is worse than the taranis') they lose their tech 1 tracking bonus and only have 3 bonuses as well, despite being tech 2
Anyura	Posted - 2009.06.14 22:40:00 - [28] If you happen to be someone that runs Sansha missions and can easily get the 20,000LP needed to make one, then obtaining one is not that much of a problem.
Trustworthy Joe	Posted - 2009.06.15 00:27:00 - [29] Edited by: Trustworthy Joe on 15/06/2009 00:29:17 ignore everyone saying that expensive ships are crap for pvp. for some (like me) it doesnt make pvp fun unless you have something to lose. if i am out with a 25m stealth bomber, i wont give a crap if i live or die. however, a 100m + faction frig, i will care about, and enjoy flying. here is my current fit [Succubus, funfit] Heat Sink II Damage Control II Gistii B-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive Caldari Navy Stasis Webifier Warp Disruptor II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dark Blood Small Nosferatu Dark Blood Small Nosferatu Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Auxiliary Thrusters I Auxiliary Thrusters I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I against ceptors, burn into range and tackle them. if its not a ceptor, use the CN web (dirt cheap and good range) to keep at distance while hitting them with scorch. bigger than a frig, and get in close with the NOS to keep you running. also, although the t1 shield extender makes me cry, its the only way it will fit on the ship
Johnny Gurkha Digital Fury Corporation	Posted - 2009.06.15 00:38:00 - [30] Everytime I meet one of these they run screaming like a woman on fire... useless pile of **** as all faction frigs are
Pippan UK1 Zero G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2009.06.15 22:24:00 - [31] Easily the best frig sized ship out there. [Succubus, New Setup 1] Amarr Navy Heat Sink Internal Force Field Array I Republic Fleet 1MN Afterburner Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200 Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Corpii C-Type Small Nosferatu Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Havn't lost it yet. =] ------ Every time you kill a Falcon a kitten is saved. Please, save the kittens.
abrasive soap Balls Deep Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.16 01:27:00 - [32] Originally by: Pippan Easily the best frig sized ship out there. [Succubus, New Setup 1] Amarr Navy Heat Sink Internal Force Field Array I Republic Fleet 1MN Afterburner Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200 Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Corpii C-Type Small Nosferatu Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Havn't lost it yet. =] I would just buy like 3 phantasms for that cost

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