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Dior Rellik	Posted - 2009.06.14 11:13:00 - [31] Originally by: Cypherous Originally by: Dior Rellik Yeah but you dont get many units of Arkanor etc into a hauler do you ? dont you agree it would be better if not safer to have a safe place to store the ore and think about hauling it all at a later time :). it took me and a friend about 4 trips to move just 8k units of arkonor the other day in our 11k m3 industrials.( 22k m3 combind) not forgeting Exits dont always spawn in or near systems with stations My 29k hauler would have done it in 3 trips and my WH always spawns in to high sec so there is always a station nearby somewhere :) Errm you live a WH so why are we even debating the size of haulers and what ya can move ? doesnt change the fact that smaller corps get all the benefit of alliances by setting up shop in a WH. and the fact that if our system is invaded by a group of players say during a mining op and the gates are camped we can retreat to a well defended pos knowing very well that it would take more BS than the gate could handle to over run us :) and not have to worry about capitals and such
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2009.06.14 11:17:00 - [32] I never argued that fact but we've gone away from the topic at hand which is a lack of sites, as stated wait until after DT should fix your exit issues OP but there is a chance you won't get any actual sites as we've had this happen :)
ZZ Moonglum	Posted - 2009.06.14 11:25:00 - [33] Had a group of 3 corpies having an extended stay in a C2 WH, was there for a week. By the end of the week, there was no new sites spawning. We had no POS but were logging in/out at a SafeSpot. The only thing that was consistent was that there was only 1 exit at any time usually to a 0.3 or 0.4 system. No new Anoms or sites spawned while we were in there and didn't see any other players all week. Group consisted of dedicated scanner and 2 combat pilots. Scan process consisted of dropping 64AU combat probe to quick check all sigs in system. Picked up about 16-17 hits first scan on entry to WH which dwindled to 1 sig hit by end of week... Something isn't right here, as that is longer than the 72hour re-spawn turnaround... :( In addition to all this I've noticed lots of K-space anoms and sites not despawning when completed or not spawning rats on entry... would hazard a guess that this issue is not confined to WHs but is affecting k-space exploration too. (this covers most of the sec spectrum 0.0-0.6 that we explore)
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2009.06.14 11:27:00 - [34] Originally by: ZZ Moonglum Something isn't right here, as that is longer than the 72hour re-spawn turnaround... :( Please link to the dev post about that being how long it takes because i thought it was random and that x number of sites were allowed to exist and if they aren't being done then no respawn, i used to have issues with killing sites each day and ending up with blank spots for a few days, we just use that time to kill off the sites in the other WH system thats always linked to ours.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.06.14 11:30:00 - [35] the wormholes are having their revenge ~~~ for all your crimes, there's no way out, you're stuck forever
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2009.06.14 11:35:00 - [36] Well post DT everything is still working here, down to 8 sigs so something despawned was probably one of the grav or ladar sites here, will probe out the WH's shortly to confirm they work :)
Newsflash Gallente NorthUnited	Posted - 2009.06.14 11:49:00 - [37] Stop putting up pos in WH space. it was never CCP intention and i hope they will fix this in the future and remove all pos hell out of WH space. ****s up signatures spawning and its annoying u cant even get usually fleet big enough in there to kill those..
ZZ Moonglum	Posted - 2009.06.14 11:52:00 - [38] Originally by: Cypherous Originally by: ZZ Moonglum Something isn't right here, as that is longer than the 72hour re-spawn turnaround... :( Please link to the dev post about that being how long it takes because i thought it was random and that x number of sites were allowed to exist and if they aren't being done then no respawn, i used to have issues with killing sites each day and ending up with blank spots for a few days, we just use that time to kill off the sites in the other WH system thats always linked to ours. Am on iphone right at the mo so no BMs to hand, but have been exploring for over 2 years and the accepted wisdom has always been that a site will respawn elsewhere in that cluster (not always same system), once it has been cleared, after 72 hours... I'm assuming this is the same for WHs as they are utilising the same spawn mechanics... I'm pretty sure this has also been dev confirmed, as has the minimum 2 or more exits to a WH (I remember reading that particular nugget last week sometime)... What was weird is that nothing was spawning in the WH, as the OP has also pointed as have a number of other people... I think a week is a good enough time frame to form a conclusion of WH weirdness... Some older threads with similar issues or explanations of the mechanics (also quoting 72 hour respawn) http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1037111 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1060651 hth
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.06.14 12:10:00 - [39] I hope your brought your sidearm, one round left. You know what to do son.
Discrodia Gallente Blood Red Dawn	Posted - 2009.06.14 12:14:00 - [40] I thought I heard that colonizing made basically all sites disappear... maybe I'm just crazy in my solo prophecy....
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2009.06.14 12:16:00 - [41] Confirming my B274 WH works exactly as intended and jumps me to my lovely region with my level 4 agent in ^^
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.06.14 12:20:00 - [42] Edited by: Blane Xero on 14/06/2009 12:20:30 I hope CCP fixes the whole "Building capitals" in wormhole space thing. Carriers, Dreads were not meant to get into class 1 and 2 / 3 (Even four?) wormholes. Even if you have to keep it there.
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2009.06.14 12:22:00 - [43] Originally by: Blane Xero Edited by: Blane Xero on 14/06/2009 12:20:30 I hope CCP fixes the whole "Building capitals" in wormhole space thing. Carriers, Dreads were not meant to get into class 1 and 2 / 3 (Even four?) wormholes. Even if you have to keep it there. Its an isk sink since you can't insure it there you're going to lose isk losing it or leaving it, and how else are you supposed to kill that deadthstar someone setup in your WH system?
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.06.14 12:47:00 - [44] Originally by: Cypherous Originally by: Blane Xero Edited by: Blane Xero on 14/06/2009 12:20:30 I hope CCP fixes the whole "Building capitals" in wormhole space thing. Carriers, Dreads were not meant to get into class 1 and 2 / 3 (Even four?) wormholes. Even if you have to keep it there. Its an isk sink since you can't insure it there you're going to lose isk losing it or leaving it, and how else are you supposed to kill that deadthstar someone setup in your WH system? It is not an isk sink, since the isk is not leaving the economy. What's stopping the people owning that deathstar pumping out dreads/carriers of their own? Wouldn't be long before one corp could clamp down one, or more, wormholes systems all on their own. ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2009.06.14 12:49:00 - [45] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Cypherous Originally by: Blane Xero Edited by: Blane Xero on 14/06/2009 12:20:30 I hope CCP fixes the whole "Building capitals" in wormhole space thing. Carriers, Dreads were not meant to get into class 1 and 2 / 3 (Even four?) wormholes. Even if you have to keep it there. Its an isk sink since you can't insure it there you're going to lose isk losing it or leaving it, and how else are you supposed to kill that deadthstar someone setup in your WH system? It is not an isk sink, since the isk is not leaving the economy. What's stopping the people owning that deathstar pumping out dreads/carriers of their own? Wouldn't be long before one corp could clamp down one, or more, wormholes systems all on their own. Depending on the quality and class of the system the inability to move them anywhere else and also they have to provide the minerals and BP's if i build a dread in WH space then self destruct it i get back less than mineral cost ergo lost money.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.06.14 14:29:00 - [46] Originally by: Cypherous if i build a dread in WH space then self destruct it i get back less than mineral cost ergo lost money. You losing money (especially invested money) ≠ ISK sink. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.06.14 14:33:00 - [47] go for the full max range scan, if it says nada then complain, with a 32 au scan bugger off.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.06.14 14:36:00 - [48] Originally by: Blane Xero Edited by: Blane Xero on 14/06/2009 12:20:30 I hope CCP fixes the whole "Building capitals" in wormhole space thing. Carriers, Dreads were not meant to get into class 1 and 2 / 3 (Even four?) wormholes. Even if you have to keep it there. lol, that just sounds funny enough to let slide. and like a waste of a bpc/isk.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.06.14 14:36:00 - [49] Originally by: Newsflash Stop putting up pos in WH space. it was never CCP intention and i hope they will fix this in the future and remove all pos hell out of WH space. ****s up signatures spawning and its annoying u cant even get usually fleet big enough in there to kill those.. but why would a system having a pos screw with the exploration spawns there?
Newsflash Gallente NorthUnited	Posted - 2009.06.14 15:12:00 - [50] Edited by: Newsflash on 14/06/2009 15:13:00 Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Newsflash Stop putting up pos in WH space. it was never CCP intention and i hope they will fix this in the future and remove all pos hell out of WH space. ****s up signatures spawning and its annoying u cant even get usually fleet big enough in there to kill those.. but why would a system having a pos screw with the exploration spawns there? Might be just urban legend but i heard ccp had said that putting up pos in WH space lowers the respawn quality/quantity of plexes/signatures in that WH.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.06.14 15:22:00 - [51] Originally by: Newsflash Edited by: Newsflash on 14/06/2009 15:13:00 Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Newsflash Stop putting up pos in WH space. it was never CCP intention and i hope they will fix this in the future and remove all pos hell out of WH space. ****s up signatures spawning and its annoying u cant even get usually fleet big enough in there to kill those.. but why would a system having a pos screw with the exploration spawns there? Might be just urban legend but i heard ccp had said that putting up pos in WH space lowers the respawn quality/quantity of plexes/signatures in that WH. Its a false rumour. They stated the opposite, but it is infact the mechanics behind the ditrobution of plex's in wormholes that are causing the shortages; Protip - You aren;t supposed to sit in one wormhole waitin for the plex's. ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.14 15:22:00 - [52] If settling is not intended, why did CCP choose a mechanic that reduces signature spawns? Such a system does not penalizemjust the settlers, it penalizes everyone. Just have Sleepers attack the POSses after a certain time. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Nambu Caldari Black Mesa	Posted - 2009.06.14 15:38:00 - [53] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Newsflash Edited by: Newsflash on 14/06/2009 15:13:00 Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Newsflash Stop putting up pos in WH space. it was never CCP intention and i hope they will fix this in the future and remove all pos hell out of WH space. **s up signatures spawning and its annoying u cant even get usually fleet big enough in there to kill those.. but why would a system having a pos screw with the exploration spawns there? Might be just urban legend but i heard ccp had said that putting up pos in WH space lowers the respawn quality/quantity of plexes/signatures in that WH. Its a false rumour. They stated the opposite, but it is infact the mechanics behind the ditrobution of plex's in wormholes that are causing the shortages; Protip - You aren;t supposed to sit in one wormhole waitin for the plex's. Its not a false rumor, or an urban legend, its completely true, and it has ** all to do with running or farming the sites. The WH my corp is in, had sites, we didn't run any of them, but set up a POS, and now, every day all we have is one exit WH, and that's it. And while we explore out, its the same everywhere I find POS's, POS in system, all i find are a WH or two, no other sigs whatsoever. Im not complaining, we had planned on running sites in adjacent systems not in our home necesarily, but it is definatly occuring.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.06.14 15:41:00 - [54] Originally by: Nambu Its not a false rumor, or an urban legend, its completely true, and it has **** all to do with running or farming the sites. The WH my corp is in, had sites, we didn't run any of them, but set up a POS, and now, every day all we have is one exit WH, and that's it. And while we explore out, its the same everywhere I find POS's, POS in system, all i find are a WH or two, no other sigs whatsoever. Im not complaining, we had planned on running sites in adjacent systems not in our home necesarily, but it is definatly occuring. So the replies to topics about what you are talking about FROM CCP, stating POS have nothing to do with the spawning mechanics; Are all lies?. K.
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.06.14 16:01:00 - [55] Only RP corps such as...mine...should be able to colonize W=space Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. The AB/OD Fix
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2009.06.14 17:18:00 - [56] Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 14/06/2009 17:22:14 Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 14/06/2009 17:20:50 Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 14/06/2009 17:19:41 Originally by: Nambu Its not a false rumor, or an urban legend, its completely true, and it has ** all to do with running or farming the sites. The WH my corp is in, had sites, we didn't run any of them, but set up a POS, and now, every day all we have is one exit WH, and that's it. And while we explore out, its the same everywhere I find POS's, POS in system, all i find are a WH or two, no other sigs whatsoever. Im not complaining, we had planned on running sites in adjacent systems not in our home necesarily, but it is definatly occuring. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1093070&page=3 Qute from this topic of CCP Employe "As was mentioned in the past, the presence of starbases has nothing to do with the resource replenishment** as its the presence of yourselves depleting the resources which causes them to dry up and running efficient operations. The systems were never designed to favour permanent settlement ... " So CCP lies ? If it is really happend the way you descrided( settig up a POS , and sites dissapearing without running them) it looks that they do , or they dont know what the hell is going on inside their game .
Myra2007 Shafrak Industries	Posted - 2009.06.14 17:23:00 - [57] Nambu is lying. I won't dig the respective ccp comment out a fourth time. Do your research man and check ccp abathurs more recent posting history unless you like looking like a fool. -- Originally by: Jasper Dark I agree! Lets go back into caves and lick rocks!
Herzog Wolfhammer	Posted - 2009.06.14 19:48:00 - [58] Two WHs last night with enough gun arrays to make Darth Vader cringe. One was owned by a 0.0 alliance. Oh, 0.0 people - the ones who wax poetic about carebears and playing a hard game... there they are trying to have their own private Idaho. How many cry when it does not persist as their own personal little ISK pump? WHs are for "smash and grab". Keeping the POS out of them is not putting anybody at a disadvantage. You still need a sharp crew and some good gear to handle a WH, POS or no POS. But I like seeing large arrays and junk in the WH, less of that in k-space.
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2009.06.14 20:39:00 - [59] Originally by: Nambu Its not a false rumor, or an urban legend, its completely true, and it has **** all to do with running or farming the sites. The WH my corp is in, had sites, we didn't run any of them, but set up a POS, and now, every day all we have is one exit WH, and that's it. And while we explore out, its the same everywhere I find POS's, POS in system, all i find are a WH or two, no other sigs whatsoever. Im not complaining, we had planned on running sites in adjacent systems not in our home necesarily, but it is definatly occuring. Well we get respawns and have lived in WH space for what must be atleast a month now if not longer, no shortage of plex's to run :)

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