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Trazis	Posted - 2009.06.15 04:39:00 - [1] Which what are the pros and cons of each. I'm looking to get into a carrier, but I don't really know much about either aside from the very basics. Which is better for fleet actions? Which is better at surviving? Just general information to help me pick which to train for
FT Diomedes Gallente Factio Paucorum	Posted - 2009.06.15 05:05:00 - [2] Which BS V would you rather have? That is the most important consideration. If you disregard that, however, I'd say go for the Nidhoggur over the Chimera. The Archon would be a better choice than that, in my opinion.
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate Onslaught.	Posted - 2009.06.15 05:12:00 - [3] Edited by: Cambarus on 15/06/2009 05:12:53 Nid is better at remote repping, chimmy has a better local tank but tends to be less useful because of the fact that armor tankers tend to outnumber shield tankers by a fair bit in gangs where you'd be using a carrier. That being said, I'd say go for the thanatos. It's not the best carrier (I'd say archon probably is) but having gallente BS V is insanely useful if you want to get into a carrier. Think about it, half the skills you're training are going to be pretty useless for minni/caldari ships (not completely useless mind you), but with gallente you get an absolutely badass battleship fit out for absolutely no extra training time (and it's one I'd suggest everyone at least learn to fly since it's undoubtedly the most versatile BS in the game) Battleships V, Drone interfacing V, Remote reps V, why on earth would you not want to apply those skills to a domi?
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.06.15 05:20:00 - [4] Chimera is selfish, Nidhoggur isnt.
Twin blade Minmatar The Triangle Veneratio Venator Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.15 07:08:00 - [5] The Nid is the best carrier hands down it can do more or less every thing. Do not be fooled by the tank bonus of the amarr and caldari they help but your local tank is useless you will be cap dead and if you`re not with other carrier's your about to go bang. You will be trusting the other carrier`s will remote rep you to keep you alive more than you use your local tank.
Mona X Caldari Polish Task Forces C0VEN	Posted - 2009.06.15 09:09:00 - [6] Originally by: Twin blade You will be trusting the other carrier`s will remote rep you to keep you alive more than you use your local tank. That is why Chimera is better: you have strong local tank, and can trust that nidhoggurs will rep you with their bonused reppers. Double win.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.06.15 09:48:00 - [7] Originally by: Mona X Originally by: Twin blade You will be trusting the other carrier`s will remote rep you to keep you alive more than you use your local tank. That is why Chimera is better: you have strong local tank, and can trust that nidhoggurs will rep you with their bonused reppers. Double win. Right for the wrong reasons. Local tank on chimera is 'meh', resists are great and so it RR. Originally by: Anubis Xian Chimera is selfish, Nidhoggur isnt. Depends on fitting. Chimera can be hugely unselfish when fitted properly.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.06.15 09:52:00 - [8] [Chimera, Example] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capital Shield Booster I Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution ECCM - Gravimetric II Cap Recharger II Capital Shield Transporter I Capital Shield Transporter I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I [Nidhoggur, Example] Capital Armor Repairer I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution ECCM - Ladar II True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Capital Shield Transporter I Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Both great fleet ships. Nidhoggur can be shieldtanked for uber epic amounts of cap but you lose some e-war resistance.
Enden Assulu Caldari Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.15 10:47:00 - [9] If you are fitting some faction stuff why not slap on some AN EANMs they are like 20mil a piece afaik.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.06.15 11:28:00 - [10] Originally by: Enden Assulu If you are fitting some faction stuff why not slap on some AN EANMs they are like 20mil a piece afaik. Sigh, does that even need clarification still? Of course you can use more expensive mods its just the type of module thats fitted for indication.
Siobhan Amarr	Posted - 2009.06.15 11:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Sokratesz [Chimera, Example] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capital Shield Booster I Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution ECCM - Gravimetric II Cap Recharger II Capital Shield Transporter I Capital Shield Transporter I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Cap power relay on a shield boosting ship? oh my. hint: read this
Anddeh McNab Cadre Assault Force	Posted - 2009.06.15 12:23:00 - [12] [Nidhoggur, Chomp] Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Damage Control II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Capital Shield Booster I F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines Cap Recharger II Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Capital Shield Transporter I Heavy Nosferatu II Heavy Nosferatu II Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
Canan ntak	Posted - 2009.06.15 12:30:00 - [13] Cap II has another describtion in game
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.06.15 13:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Siobhan Amarr Cap power relay on a shield boosting ship? oh my. hint: read this Base Capital Shield Booster: 7200 points/cycle Capital Shield Booster with 4x CPR II and Shield Boost Amp II: 7147 points/cycle
achoura	Posted - 2009.06.15 14:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Siobhan Amarr Cap power relay on a shield boosting ship? oh my. hint: read this Hint: Ignorant posting may give the appearance of a wally
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.06.15 14:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Anddeh McNab [Nidhoggur, Chomp] Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Damage Control II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Capital Shield Booster I F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines Cap Recharger II Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Capital Shield Transporter I Heavy Nosferatu II Heavy Nosferatu II Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I fail, use cpr's
Mona X Caldari Polish Task Forces C0VEN	Posted - 2009.06.15 15:16:00 - [17] Edited by: Mona X on 15/06/2009 15:16:41 Originally by: Sokratesz Right for the wrong reasons. Local tank on chimera is 'meh',resists are great This is what I meant. Ninja posting ftw etc, etc.
Trazis	Posted - 2009.06.15 19:38:00 - [18] Thank all of you for your input, but I was more looking for input as to the pros and cons of each, rather then fitting and discussions on them. If anyone could provide me with a list of pros and cons I'd be tremendously grateful. I'm curios about such things as which is more fuel efficient which is more agile which can put up a better solo tank which will survive longer in gro.ups what is the role of each ect ect being a complete noob in the world of capital ships all of this would be useful information and id be highly appreciative of it
Grista	Posted - 2009.06.15 19:44:00 - [19] Chimera Pros: Strong self tank Cons: CPU issues can require faction/deadspace fittings, no bonus to capital remote armor rep Nidhoggur Pros: Bonus to range and amount repped for both armor and shields Cons: Lowest EHP of all carriers The Nidhoggur (and Gallente Thanatos) is much better for alliance warfare than the Chimera and Archon which don't get range bonuses to both remote armor and remote shield reps. Strength of tank is largely unimportant, as it is very unlikely you are going to be engaged by a group of hostiles that could kill a Nidhoggur, but would fail to kill a Chimera or Archon. Lastly, the Nidhoggur leads to training for a Naglfar, while the Chimera leads to training for a Phoenix. While the Naglfar requires more skills, it is now a much better dread than the Phoenix. The Phoenix supports only Citadel Torpedo Launchers, which take time to reach their target and do less damage against targets that are moving and are smaller than a control tower. In dread sieges on a POS, attackers will sometimes incapacitate modules (guns, etc). The Phoenix's torps hit even large guns only for a fraction of max damage. While the Nag has two torp launchers, it also has to two turret slots and a 5th slot for the siege module. Recent changes to the Naglfar enable it to do excellent damage while still fitting a shield tank. The Phoenix is solidly in last place now as worst dread.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.06.15 20:54:00 - [20] Originally by: Grista The Nidhoggur (and Gallente Thanatos) is much better for alliance warfare than the Chimera and Archon which don't get range bonuses to both remote armor and remote shield reps. Wow, you couldn't be more wrong. Archons and Chimeras are 'the best' carriers for RR fleets. Nidhoggur is good as well but only when fitted right, and thanny is subpar due to ****ty bonus and mediocre slot layout. Chimera and Archon are the strongest at RR - both can (very nearly) permarun two rr mods with good resists and e-war resists of their own.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.06.15 21:05:00 - [21] Edited by: Omarvelous on 15/06/2009 21:05:31 2 things I want to point out. 1: Shield boost amp nullifies the capacitor power relay penalty - their penalties are stacking nerfed, so 1 amp takes care of the penalty. Its the best cap regen for a ship that will be spending its cap rapidly - as well as needing to jump rapidly. 2: Remote shield transfers are still helpful even to armor tankers. You can get your shields repped to prevent damage hitting your armor. RR Shields are instantaneous vs end of cycle like armor reps. Less damage hitting your armor gives the armor RR a chance to catch up. Remote armor otoh is worthless to shield tankers. You can't rep them while they're running their tank, and when you finally can their tank is broken and their don't have enough buffer left for your armro RR to have much effect by the time it cycles. I'm NOT saying RR shields is better for an armor tanking ship - just saying its far from useless. Whereas the other way around - RR armor doesn't really help shield tankers. RR Shield ships are very useful. Not to mention useful in repping POS shields. Archon won't have the range to rep large poses. Important Internet Spaceship League Wants You
Trazis	Posted - 2009.06.15 23:33:00 - [22] This is horribly confusing.... I defiantly prefer the caldari battle ships to the minmatar but the nid seams like it would last longer in a fleet fight seeing as how it is a armor tanker can anyone who flys a nid or chim tell me what its like?
Crackzilla The Shadow Order	Posted - 2009.06.16 00:39:00 - [23] Originally by: Trazis the nid seams like it would last longer in a fleet fight seeing as how it is a armor tanker can anyone who flys a nid or chim tell me what its like? The chimera can have a great burst tank but usually has to go perma run to meet the needs for cap. The local tank on a chimera & nid is going to be comparable in rep/s. The chimera will have the advantage in a bit better resists. caldari carrier 4 with bonuses is effectively what would be a free eanm to an armor tanker. So local tank is comparable. The local tank doesn't really matter because its all about remote reps. So this is why I keep saying that cap fleets should be standardizing on a tank. Either get nearly all pilots flying shield tankers or all armor tankers (forget ms & titans). This simplifies logistics and makes remote reps more effective. Long term I wouldn't be shocked to see the standard setup for all carriers to go to an extreme like all cprs in the lows, 3x hardners, no local rep, 4x remote shield/armor reps in the highs. Lose the local tank for the fleet supporting 100% more remote reps. Shield tanking has an advantage here (cap/s from cprs) compared to the current armor tanking majority.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.06.16 04:51:00 - [24] Originally by: Crackzilla Long term I wouldn't be shocked to see the standard setup for all carriers to go to an extreme like all cprs in the lows, 3x hardners, no local rep, 4x remote shield/armor reps in the highs. Lose the local tank for the fleet supporting 100% more remote reps. Shield tanking has an advantage here (cap/s from cprs) compared to the current armor tanking majority. I applaud this.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.06.16 08:37:00 - [25] [Archon, New Setup 2] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Sensor Booster II Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Capital Shield Transporter I Capital Shield Transporter I Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Something Else I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Stable at 38%. Heh.
Twin blade Minmatar The Triangle Veneratio Venator Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.16 08:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Gypsio III [Archon, New Setup 2] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Sensor Booster II Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Capital Shield Transporter I Capital Shield Transporter I Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Something Else I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Stable at 38%. Heh. The sad thing is i can see some one using that and saying its the best set up ever. Then again after seen a carrier tanking on 2 large armor reps i can belive any set up posted here will be used for real sooner or lator. Death is great rember where all dying to get there.
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2009.06.16 14:33:00 - [27] Originally by: Trazis This is horribly confusing.... I defiantly prefer the caldari battle ships to the minmatar but the nid seams like it would last longer in a fleet fight seeing as how it is a armor tanker can anyone who flys a nid or chim tell me what its like? The ship that will last longer is the one with better fleet support. Your comparing things on a carrier which are irrelavant. AS it was stated if a fleet can take out 1 carrier they are capable of taking all of them out and your local tank isnt going to matter much. your local tank should consist of nothing more than resist, trying to fit a local active tank is going to be a fail. your ONLY purpose is support.you live and die based on your ability to dish out and receive support. you keep your fleet alive and they keep you alive. Instead of basing your choice on which carrier is better, i would base it moreso on what other cap ships you may want to fly.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.06.16 17:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Twin blade Originally by: Gypsio III [Archon, New Setup 2] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Sensor Booster II Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Capital Shield Transporter I Capital Shield Transporter I Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Something Else I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Stable at 38%. Heh. The sad thing is i can see some one using that and saying its the best set up ever. Then again after seen a carrier tanking on 2 large armor reps i can belive any set up posted here will be used for real sooner or lator. Hint: it'd be a better fit than the average carrier you find these days..
Mona X Caldari Polish Task Forces C0VEN	Posted - 2009.06.16 18:50:00 - [29] Originally by: Trazis This is horribly confusing.... I defiantly prefer the caldari battle ships to the minmatar but the nid seams like it would last longer in a fleet fight seeing as how it is a armor tanker can anyone who flys a nid or chim tell me what its like? It's like: FC: hey, we have Chimera and Nidhoggur to take down, start with Nid, couse it has worse tank (it will go faster) and we will remowe better RR from battle (killing it will reowe biggest chunk of RR).
Commander Yassir Big Black Hole	Posted - 2009.06.16 19:12:00 - [30] Well it seems like there are different situations one might run into with carriers...Large scale Alliance battles and smaller i.e. npc space or lowsec fights. So maybe clarify which is better where? ~ The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on.
Trazis	Posted - 2009.06.17 00:15:00 - [31] What I meant was the nid would be better due to it armor tanking was because armor tanking it you would be putting resists in its armor where as in a chim the resists would be in shields the armor rr would be nearly useless
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.06.17 04:55:00 - [32] Originally by: Trazis What I meant was the nid would be better due to it armor tanking was because armor tanking it you would be putting resists in its armor where as in a chim the resists would be in shields the armor rr would be nearly useless Although not as useful, it'll still help.
Trazis	Posted - 2009.06.20 07:55:00 - [33] to the top with u lets get more imput
Levistus Junior Caldari The Perfect Storm Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.06.20 11:33:00 - [34] I see the Nidhoggur as a better overall choice if you are going to do large fleet fights: The main advantage the Chimera has over the Nidhoggur (better resists, leading to a better local tank and improved ability to survive while being RRed as it's effectively taking less damage from each hit) are largely nullified in big engagements by 2 factors: 1. A large majority of the fleet will be mounting remote armor reps, which means that most of the RR would be going to your unresisted armor(after your shields are down) rather than resisted shields, which might very well yield less DPS tanked than a Nidhoggur in a similar situation. 2. This refers to shield vs. armor tanking in RR gangs in general. Assuming you broadcast for reps as soon as your shield takes damage, by the time your RR buddies catch up, a good portion of it would be already down. For an armor tanker, that is no problem, as the RR can now work directly on their resisted armor. For a shield tanker however, that's a good chunk of their buffer gone already before the RR can take effect. Also you might want to consider the whole line of caps and BS you'll be getting access to. Neither the Minmatar or the Caldari BS and Dread are too great for fleet work IMHO (except maybe the Rokh for sniping) but the Minmatar has a slight edge here (especially regarding the Naglfar vs. Phoenix).
Rexthor Hammerfists Rage of Inferno	Posted - 2009.06.20 11:53:00 - [35] Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 20/06/2009 11:53:18 My advise is to go for the nidhoggur. The chimera has better resistances etc which is very true but the nidhoggur is more versatile. Im flying chimeras for 3+ years and where i find it lacking is in small skirmishes as i would prefer an armor rep, or rather both then just having shield reps. In a small skirmish remote repping is king which is what the nidhoggur excells at, with easily being able to fit 2 armor one shieldreps, a hvy neut and a smartbomb. Also if you some day decide to go for a mothership, the hel can put on both armor and shieldtank, but the armor mods wont cost you another 10b. On a sidenote, with my main being specced in caldari i can honestly say, spec in minm as even tho eft says you have less dps etc theyre so much more fun to fly.

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