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Major Deviant	Posted - 2009.06.15 21:36:00 - [1] Edited by: Major Deviant on 15/06/2009 21:37:56 Active Militia memebers? Members above a certain rank (these were the ones who made this happen)? What about past members? For example Cosmic Raider and the 22nd were instrumental in this achievement but have now left FW (has the 22nd left yet?). Will they receive the medal anyway? I think they should. Edit: added news link.
Elite Contract	Posted - 2009.06.15 21:52:00 - [2] Edited by: Elite Contract on 15/06/2009 21:52:11
Louis deGuerre Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia	Posted - 2009.06.15 22:14:00 - [3] Edited by: Louis deGuerre on 15/06/2009 22:14:35 If I'd known there would be medals, I would have joined the other side ! So...is there like a, consilation prize ?
GoingOffRoading Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.06.16 03:12:00 - [4] Edited by: GoingOffRoading on 16/06/2009 03:12:25 "You PvE better than naybody else but you suck at PvP... Here's a medal" Yea that sounds like the Caldari
Logan Xerxes Xerxes Security	Posted - 2009.06.16 04:19:00 - [5] Edited by: Logan Xerxes on 16/06/2009 04:19:48 I am also curious about this because the corp I've just started up is not in FW because of the 7 day wait for corp standings. I was in the 22nd before splitting off from them. Is it just a blanket award to those in the Caldari Militia on the 23rd of June? Or will it be more selective? Edit for clariy.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2009.06.16 04:26:00 - [6] Your epeen gonna fall off if you don't get a medal?
Logan Xerxes Xerxes Security	Posted - 2009.06.16 04:29:00 - [7] Originally by: XXSketchxx Your epeen gonna fall off if you don't get a medal? Yes.
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.06.16 09:57:00 - [8] Edited by: Raimo on 16/06/2009 09:58:03 I'd like to point y'all towards my suddenly rather awesome signature!
432145345	Posted - 2009.06.16 10:35:00 - [9] BAA BAA
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.06.16 10:51:00 - [10] It would be unfortunate if the 22nd didn't get their medals, especially seeing as they made such an effort, whilst others who did bugger all will get it. This might upset quite a few people if done badly. But then, it seems to me that nothing can be done in this game without seriously upsetting somebody.

jag Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.06.16 11:12:00 - [11] So which of the gallente corps will recieve the PVP medal ? ( bigger shinier better ). In addition to WOLFY , obviuosly
Droog 1 Black Rise Inbreds	Posted - 2009.06.16 11:16:00 - [12] Originally by: jag So which of the gallente corps will recieve the PVP medal ? ( bigger shinier better ). In addition to WOLFY , obviuosly No medal for pvp only pve.
Selous Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.06.16 11:23:00 - [13] I was in Rens a cupla days ago. I saw a 1 hour old character circle a can named `free stuff` for just over 25 minutes ( I think he was trying to figure out how to open it ). I have forwarded his name to the relevant authorities and expect him to recieve his caldari medal soon. He displayed the exact same skills that the sqids employed , so why should he not recieve the same reward ?
Gallactica Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2009.06.16 11:24:00 - [14] I agree with Ratchman tbh - it would be a shame if 22nd didnt receive medals after all the work they put in. Will be interesting to see how CCP decide to do this without ****ing people off!
Serapo Petrotestes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.06.16 12:06:00 - [15] Who needs medals? The tears of the "gallenet nber pvp ebay god" are reward enough, as well as the satisfaction of achieveing a long term goal you set for yourself.
Sun Clausewitz	Posted - 2009.06.16 13:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Selous I was in Rens a cupla days ago. I saw a 1 hour old character circle a can named `free stuff` for just over 25 minutes ( I think he was trying to figure out how to open it ). I have forwarded his name to the relevant authorities and expect him to recieve his caldari medal soon. He displayed the exact same skills that the sqids employed , so why should he not recieve the same reward ? And let me guess, you were too busy blobbing a gate to go to the plex and get your PVP on?
Gabriel Darkefyre Minmatar Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2009.06.16 14:06:00 - [17] Originally by: Sun Clausewitz Originally by: Selous I was in Rens a cupla days ago. I saw a 1 hour old character circle a can named `free stuff` for just over 25 minutes ( I think he was trying to figure out how to open it ). I have forwarded his name to the relevant authorities and expect him to recieve his caldari medal soon. He displayed the exact same skills that the sqids employed , so why should he not recieve the same reward ? And let me guess, you were too busy blobbing a gate to go to the plex and get your PVP on? What Plex? Rens is Minmatar High Sec (The Minmatar Version of Jita in Fact). If FW Plexes are spawning there then something's seriously wacky with the Spawn Mechanics. --------------- Image from Crumplecorn's DesuSigs
Intigo Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.06.16 14:09:00 - [18] Originally by: Gabriel Darkefyre Originally by: Sun Clausewitz Originally by: Selous I was in Rens a cupla days ago. I saw a 1 hour old character circle a can named `free stuff` for just over 25 minutes ( I think he was trying to figure out how to open it ). I have forwarded his name to the relevant authorities and expect him to recieve his caldari medal soon. He displayed the exact same skills that the sqids employed , so why should he not recieve the same reward ? And let me guess, you were too busy blobbing a gate to go to the plex and get your PVP on? What Plex? Rens is Minmatar High Sec (The Minmatar Version of Jita in Fact). If FW Plexes are spawning there then something's seriously wacky with the Spawn Mechanics. This just in: Sun is a tool and you shouldn't bother with him. He's clueless. ___________________ ENEMA, much love. <3
Neacail	Posted - 2009.06.16 14:13:00 - [19] From the limited information available, my guess is that everyone in the Caldari militia on June 23rd will receive the medal - nothing else. To be honest, I don't see why you care. Such a medal is like a slap in the face. "Good, you won FW. Here's a worthless, widely available medal."
Kane Plekkel	Posted - 2009.06.16 14:32:00 - [20] Wait, so Claradi won FW? What happens now?

Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.06.16 14:38:00 - [21] They get a nice shiney medal (which is absolutely worthless much like all the plexing they did) and life in FW continues as per normal. Nothing has changed, nothing will change, FW is just one big war dec with plexes thrown in to provide controlled pvp environments for newer players.
Neacail	Posted - 2009.06.16 14:51:00 - [22] Originally by: Kane Plekkel Wait, so Claradi won FW? What happens now? "Won FW" is just an expression, referring to Caldari's 100% occupancy. With the current rule set, FW has no win condition, no end.
iudex Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.06.16 17:34:00 - [23] It's good to see that there is a recognition for achieving this goal. Maybe CCP haven't given up FW completely. My skills Faction Standings: Serpentis +8.02 / Angel Cartel +8.57 / Gallente Federation -9.97
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.16 17:40:00 - [24] come on gallente fight the good fight :) JOIN FOFF NOW CHAT CHANNEL FOR MORE INFO
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.16 17:55:00 - [25] Originally by: Selous I was in Rens a cupla days ago. I saw a 1 hour old character circle a can named `free stuff` for just over 25 minutes ( I think he was trying to figure out how to open it ). I have forwarded his name to the relevant authorities and expect him to recieve his caldari medal soon. He displayed the exact same skills that the sqids employed , so why should he not recieve the same reward ? What a stupid comparison. What would happen to that guy if he'd circle the can in hostile lowsec with hundreds of people want to kill him for doing that ? Caldari destroyed over 300 billions of assets in the process. They crushed countless fleets and chased the Gallente off, in order to be able to circle the plexes. They first destroyed Gallente's ships, then they broke their will and finally took their land. A recognition and reward for this flawless victory is truly appropriate.
Selous Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.06.16 18:36:00 - [26] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba What a stupid comparison. What would happen to that guy if he'd circle the can in hostile lowsec with hundreds of people want to kill him for doing that ? Caldari destroyed over 300 billions of assets in the process. They crushed countless fleets and chased the Gallente off, in order to be able to circle the plexes. They first destroyed Gallente's ships, then they broke their will and finally took their land. A recognition and reward for this flawless victory is truly appropriate. ROFL
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.06.16 18:42:00 - [27] I think anyone with a caldari rank 1 or higher in their character sheet will get the medal, as that indicates they have participated in the Caldari militia at some point. In case CCP just checks on the specific date who is part of the militia and who's not, I just re-joined. If the 22nd and other corps that left FW in the past (and are now in an alliance and thus can't re-join) don't get awarded it'd be rather silly IMO.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.06.16 18:46:00 - [28] By the way, this is a rather odd sentence: Quote: Yet it serves us well to honor their momentous achievement-the complete dominance of Federation naval forces in the warzone systems of Essence, Verge Vendor, Placid, The Citadel, and Black Rise-for it has established the legacy of the capsuleer for time immemorial.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2009.06.16 19:01:00 - [29] Originally by: Ratchman It would be unfortunate if the 22nd didn't get their medals.... No, it would be epic lulz!
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.06.16 19:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Guillame Herschel No, it would be epic lulz! Yeah especially if I would get one while they don't. But seriously, they deserve one and CCP better make sure they do get them. ---

Turelus Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.06.16 19:33:00 - [31] I would be upset if I didn't get it, I mean sure it's just a medal and means nothing to most but for those players and corps that put in hours of game time to make the dream come true it's the greatest reward! (or that's how I feel at least) I really does suck that the news came 24hours after we left FW meaning we could miss out on it, I hope CCP realise that we deserve it and issue it to us even though we have left for bigger things. Also thank you for all those who are saying we deserve it, it's nice to see even our old adversaries recognise and respect what we did in the war.
Ulstan	Posted - 2009.06.16 19:43:00 - [32] Edited by: Ulstan on 16/06/2009 19:48:45 Originally by: GoingOffRoading Edited by: GoingOffRoading on 16/06/2009 03:12:25 "You PvE better than naybody else but you suck at PvP... Here's a medal" Yea that sounds like the Caldari The Caldari are getting a medal for beating the crap out of the Gallente and taking every single one of their systems. Losing every system you owned is pretty epic fail and I whole-heartedly support the Gallente being given a medal to commemorate their loss. It takes some special dedication to losing every fight against the Caldari attackers, or even avoiding fighting them at all, to lose all your systems. FFS you know exactly where they are going to be, was it too much work to warp away from the Villore gate to go engage them? It's not the Caldari's fault you were too cowardly or too incompetent to mount any effective opposition to them at all. You didn't even need to know how to use the scanner to find and stop them and you still failed. Way to fail to show up to the PvP fights, Gallente! o7 As for the medals, they should be given to everyone who was in the militia at the exact moment all the systems were taken, and no one else.
Unfamed II Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.06.16 20:00:00 - [33] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Guillame Herschel No, it would be epic lulz! Yeah especially if I would get one while they don't. But seriously, they deserve one and CCP better make sure they do get them. I see the Take Credit party is living up it's name. Originally by: Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.06.16 20:15:00 - [34] Originally by: Ulstan Edited by: Ulstan on 16/06/2009 20:01:04 Originally by: GoingOffRoading Edited by: GoingOffRoading on 16/06/2009 03:12:25 "You PvE better than naybody else but you suck at PvP... Here's a medal" Yea that sounds like the Caldari The Caldari are getting a medal for beating the crap out of the Gallente and taking every single one of their systems. Losing every system you owned is pretty epic fail and I whole-heartedly support the Gallente being given a medal to commemorate their loss. It takes some special dedication to losing every fight against the Caldari attackers, or even avoiding fighting them at all, to lose all your systems. FFS you know exactly where they are going to be, was it too much work to warp away from the Villore gate to go engage them? It's not the Caldari's fault you were too cowardly or too incompetent to mount any effective opposition to them at all. You didn't even need to know how to use the scanner to find and stop them and you still failed. Way to fail to show up to the PvP fights, Gallente! o7 The constant sour grapes and whining from Gallente get rather old. Why not simply be honest and say "We didn't feel like fighting the Caldari over our plexes, so we didn't show up. As a result of our decision not to engage, we lost our systems, but we're having fun doing something else instead"? As for the medals, they should be given to everyone who was in the militia at the exact moment all the systems were taken, and no one else. No the caldari are getting a medal because they *****ed and moaned loud enough that ccp felt they had to give them something. But what to give them, they hadn't actually done anything other than orbit a button with massive numerical superiority at times when alot of the gal pvp corps where offline. So a medal was decided upon, that way the caldari can keep preening their epeen and us gal can laugh at their pve medal. As to why the caldari were largly unoppossed in the capture of the systems I guess for us at WOLFY its 2 reasons. First, during the build up to the alliance tourney (and thanks for dropping FW from this years alliance tourney CCP, you will need some pretty good justification for that!) we plexed like mad and the little caldari we encountered were without exception stabbed or fled the system as soon as we entered. So we simply stopped bothering to find a fight in a plex because there wasn't one to be had. Secondly the systems mostly became vulnerable just after dt which normally means only 1 or 2 members online. Of course WOLFY are good but even we would admit that 2 vs 50 is slightly too rich odds. So congrats on your pve victory, we won't memntion numbers or the difference in the rats ewar, you did well to get so organised. Enjoy your medals, I hope they made it all worth while.
Ulstan	Posted - 2009.06.16 20:21:00 - [35] Originally by: Parmenides Elea they hadn't actually done anything They showed up to fight. You didn't. How is that their fault? If you don't want to do plexes, that's fine. Lord knows there are enough problems with them and they are rather meaningless in the end. But how exactly does your decision to NOT fight at the plexes reflect poorly on the people who DO decide to fight at the plexes? Specifically, where do you get off going 'lol pve' when the only reason it's pve instead of pvp is because you are the ones who didn't show up to the fight?
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.06.16 20:30:00 - [36] Originally by: Ulstan Originally by: Parmenides Elea they hadn't actually done anything They showed up to fight. You didn't. How is that their fault? If you don't want to do plexes, that's fine. Lord knows there are enough problems with them and they are rather meaningless in the end. But how exactly does your decision to NOT fight at the plexes reflect poorly on the people who DO decide to fight at the plexes? Specifically, where do you get off going 'lol pve' when the only reason it's pve instead of pvp is because you are the ones who didn't show up to the fight? For the umpteenth time, we did show up to the fight and you (caldari not specifically you) RAN! It got so bad that we simply decided it wasn't worth the hassle anymore. I can only comment from WOLFY's point of view of course but when systems went vulnerable after dt we didn't have anyone online to do anything about it. Still its just a piece of text on the top left corner, please don't confuse that with pvp glory mkay.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.16 21:23:00 - [37] Originally by: jag So which of the gallente corps will recieve the PVP medal ? ( bigger shinier better ). In addition to WOLFY , obviuosly After all that beating Gallente should get a medal that looks like this Gallente Medal
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.06.16 21:46:00 - [38] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: jag So which of the gallente corps will recieve the PVP medal ? ( bigger shinier better ). In addition to WOLFY , obviuosly After all that beating Gallente should get a medal that looks like this Gallente Medal After all that beating perhaps the caldari should take a look at the facts. Caldari 0.024 kills daily per member 1.777 VPs daily per member Gallente 0.037 kills daily per member 2.442 VPs daily per member Minmi 0.034 kills daily per member 2.234 VPs daily per member Amarr 0.041 kills daily per member 2.957 VPs daily per member Source http://fwstats.eve-ic.net/ So it would seem that for all their chest beating and medal winning the caldari are actually LOOSING fw. Big props to the amarr who are really doing well atm!
Droog 1 Black Rise Inbreds	Posted - 2009.06.16 22:01:00 - [39] Edited by: Droog 1 on 16/06/2009 22:07:09 Edited by: Droog 1 on 16/06/2009 22:02:20 Originally by: Ulstan The Caldari are getting a medal for beating the crap out of the Gallente and taking every single one of their systems. Losing every system you owned is pretty epic fail and I whole-heartedly support the Gallente being given a medal to commemorate their loss. It takes some special dedication to losing every fight against the Caldari attackers, or even avoiding fighting them at all, to lose all your systems. FFS you know exactly where they are going to be, was it too much work to warp away from the Villore gate to go engage them? It's not the Caldari's fault you were too cowardly or too incompetent to mount any effective opposition to them at all. You didn't even need to know how to use the scanner to find and stop them and you still failed. Way to fail to show up to the PvP fights, Gallente! o7 The constant sour grapes and whining from Gallente get rather old. Why not simply be honest and say "We didn't feel like fighting the Caldari over our plexes, so we didn't show up. As a result of our decision not to engage, we lost our systems, but we're having fun doing something else instead"? As for the medals, they should be given to everyone who was in the militia at the exact moment all the systems were taken, and no one else. After looking at your kb stats, your Rank and your employment history it looks like you joined the Caldari militia in June 08 and left in April 09 with 8 kills to your name. You then rejoined the militia on 28-05-09 which was 3 days before the last system fell. You want a medal for that?
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.16 22:12:00 - [40] Originally by: Parmenides Elea Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: jag So which of the gallente corps will recieve the PVP medal ? ( bigger shinier better ). In addition to WOLFY , obviuosly After all that beating Gallente should get a medal that looks like this Gallente Medal After all that beating perhaps the caldari should take a look at the facts. Caldari 0.024 kills daily per member 1.777 VPs daily per member Gallente 0.037 kills daily per member 2.442 VPs daily per member Minmi 0.034 kills daily per member 2.234 VPs daily per member Amarr 0.041 kills daily per member 2.957 VPs daily per member Source http://fwstats.eve-ic.net/ So it would seem that for all their chest beating and medal winning the caldari are actually LOOSING fw. Big props to the amarr who are really doing well atm! Lol you think someone is winning a war just because he has a better kill/death ratio ? By this definition Germans won World War II, since they killed much enemy soldiers than they lost.

Droog 1 Black Rise Inbreds	Posted - 2009.06.16 22:24:00 - [41] With the plexes gone there is nothing left but k/d ratios. Judging by the way the Caldari have been getting slaughtered recently it looks like they care as much about winning a fight as the gallente felt about plexes.
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.06.16 22:35:00 - [42] I realized i have both Minmatar FW rank and Caldari.
Hurtado Soneka Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.06.16 22:59:00 - [43] Originally by: jag So which of the gallente corps will recieve the PVP medal ? ( bigger shinier better ). In addition to WOLFY , obviuosly
Hurtado Soneka Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.06.16 23:00:00 - [44] Originally by: Ulstan Edited by: Ulstan on 16/06/2009 20:01:04 Originally by: GoingOffRoading Edited by: GoingOffRoading on 16/06/2009 03:12:25 "You PvE better than naybody else but you suck at PvP... Here's a medal" Yea that sounds like the Caldari The Caldari are getting a medal for beating the crap out of the Gallente and taking every single one of their systems. Losing every system you owned is pretty epic fail and I whole-heartedly support the Gallente being given a medal to commemorate their loss. It takes some special dedication to losing every fight against the Caldari attackers, or even avoiding fighting them at all, to lose all your systems. FFS you know exactly where they are going to be, was it too much work to warp away from the Villore gate to go engage them? It's not the Caldari's fault you were too cowardly or too incompetent to mount any effective opposition to them at all. You didn't even need to know how to use the scanner to find and stop them and you still failed. Way to fail to show up to the PvP fights, Gallente! o7 The constant sour grapes and whining from Gallente get rather old. Why not simply be honest and say "We didn't feel like fighting the Caldari over our plexes, so we didn't show up. As a result of our decision not to engage, we lost our systems, but we're having fun doing something else instead"? As for the medals, they should be given to everyone who was in the militia at the exact moment all the systems were taken, and no one else. Ulstan you pretty much just completely owned and ****d every family member of all galente with that beautiful truth
Cosmic Raider The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment	Posted - 2009.06.16 23:36:00 - [45] Caldari and Gallente know who did what. Hopefully, CCP does too.
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.06.16 23:37:00 - [46] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Lol you think someone is winning a war just because he has a better kill/death ratio ? By this definition Germans won World War II, since they killed much enemy soldiers than they lost. This would only apply IF you could actually WIN. As occupancy means absolutly nothing it can't be used as a measure of success. The only indicators we have are the stats on kills and vp per member which ccp kindly provide. Caldari are bottom on both of those stats and yet have almost twice the number of any other faction. Amarr are winning faction war atm not caldari.
Cosmic Raider The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment	Posted - 2009.06.16 23:43:00 - [47] Edited by: Cosmic Raider on 16/06/2009 23:43:59 Originally by: Parmenides Elea Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Lol you think someone is winning a war just because he has a better kill/death ratio ? By this definition Germans won World War II, since they killed much enemy soldiers than they lost. This would only apply IF you could actually WIN. As occupancy means absolutly nothing it can't be used as a measure of success. The only indicators we have are the stats on kills and vp per member which ccp kindly provide. Caldari are bottom on both of those stats and yet have almost twice the number of any other faction. Amarr are winning faction war atm not caldari. Honestly, why ***uld you even try this lame excuse. Caldari lead in all Categories. http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/test_eve_api.php Please stick to the either "We don't care" or "Caldari unfair blob" category."
Zach Donnell Ghost-Busters	Posted - 2009.06.16 23:52:00 - [48] Edited by: Zach Donnell on 16/06/2009 23:57:53 I have stayed out of these threads because our corp doesn't involve itself in fw much anymore (for many reasons demonstrated here) However with that being said, It is quite foolish for caldari to declare victory. Because you can not claim to have won a game that is not yet over. If anything, the caldari are "in the lead." Should they continue to lead at the point CCP declares fw over, they will have won. Quite Simple. EDIT: I am not implying that the gallente are going to make a massive comeback
Hurtado Soneka Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.06.17 00:55:00 - [49] Simply put, guys with a rank of Captain and above should get the reward, since Captain is very easy to obtain, you will do a tiny bit of plexing/missions and sounds respectable. You rank is always carried with you, so if you leave FW or not it doesnt make a difference. Its going to suck completely if the legions of zergling Ensigns get rewards for when they did nothing.
Chompy Caldari	Posted - 2009.06.17 02:21:00 - [50] Edited by: Chompy on 17/06/2009 02:26:07 The award will goto those who were members of the militia at the time the last gal system was taken. Well at least it should be. 22nd deserve a medal and all the noobs joining fw with 3 day old chars dont

Steve Celeste Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.06.17 09:07:00 - [51] Originally by: Chompy Edited by: Chompy on 17/06/2009 02:26:07 The award will goto those who were members of the militia at the time the last gal system was taken. No. Rank should decide it.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.17 09:29:00 - [52] Originally by: GoingOffRoading Edited by: GoingOffRoading on 16/06/2009 03:12:25 "You PvE better than naybody else but you suck at PvP... Here's a medal" Yea that sounds like the Caldari Well clearly they don't suck at PvP because the Gallente failed to stop them from PvEing Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Shadow Devourer	Posted - 2009.06.17 09:45:00 - [53] Originally by: Parmenides Elea Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: jag So which of the gallente corps will recieve the PVP medal ? ( bigger shinier better ). In addition to WOLFY , obviuosly After all that beating Gallente should get a medal that looks like this Gallente Medal After all that beating perhaps the caldari should take a look at the facts. Caldari 0.024 kills daily per member 1.777 VPs daily per member Gallente 0.037 kills daily per member 2.442 VPs daily per member Minmi 0.034 kills daily per member 2.234 VPs daily per member Amarr 0.041 kills daily per member 2.957 VPs daily per member Source http://fwstats.eve-ic.net/ So it would seem that for all their chest beating and medal winning the caldari are actually LOOSING fw. Big props to the amarr who are really doing well atm! Russia lost WW2 guys. They had a terrible k/d ratio. :((( HUMAN WAVE TACTICS. They win wars. Fake edit: this is Caldari.
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.06.17 09:45:00 - [54] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: GoingOffRoading Edited by: GoingOffRoading on 16/06/2009 03:12:25 "You PvE better than naybody else but you suck at PvP... Here's a medal" Yea that sounds like the Caldari Well clearly they don't suck at PvP because the Gallente failed to stop them from PvEing Indeed insta warping cloaked and stabbed ships are easy prey for anyone who is decent at pvp right.
Nur AlHuda Amarr Callide Vulpis	Posted - 2009.06.17 10:03:00 - [55] Everytime i look at GalCal conflict gallentes are complaining like old womans, we dint wanted those systems anyway, complexes are for loosers, you fail at pvp. And some people are not so good at pvp but gallente militia definitely failed at integrity. History is written by winners not loosers. The gallente militia may had bigger kill ratio but failed to achieve objectives couse they didnt set it as priority.So as caldari will be known as blobbers and plexers gallente will be known as loosers. So the first is definitely better then the last one.
Droog 1 Black Rise Inbreds	Posted - 2009.06.17 11:10:00 - [56] CCP should give the medal to anyone who's ever been in the Caldari militia. It would be unfair to not give it to people who have left and unfair on any new members who never had a chance to run a plex. This includes my spy who sat running missions for 8 months, got no kills and never ran a plex.
5fesexyy	Posted - 2009.06.17 11:31:00 - [57] Tibus Heth said "Yet it serves us well to honor their momentous achievement-the complete dominance of Federation naval forces in the warzone systems" afaik Federation naval forces are npcs....So this is a PvE Medal.
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.06.17 11:46:00 - [58] Originally by: 5fesexyy Tibus Heth said "Yet it serves us well to honor their momentous achievement-the complete dominance of Federation naval forces in the warzone systems" afaik Federation naval forces are npcs....So this is a PvE Medal. No ****, Sherlock!
Gallactica Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2009.06.17 11:46:00 - [59] As i said in a previous post, the Caldari do deserve a lot of credit for what they have achieved. I didnt realise there was a timescale on capturing the systems - When did CCP say that FW was "won" when all systems were captured? Whats to stop us (Gallente) re-capturing the systems (not saying we will or wont btw). Will we have "won" if we take them back? Nothing has been won as such yet other than people having fun in however they personally get there kicks out of FW, be it plexxing or pvp. Now if CCP decide that by xxxxxx date all systems are controlled by a faction then thats another matter as keeping those systems under Caldari control is going to be much harder than capturing them in the first place (i would hope so anyway). But, each to there own - you like plexxing, good for you - you hate plexxing and are just in it for the pew pew, good for you too. Again, well done to the Caldari for what they have achieved, it took a lot of effort and they do deserve recognition for it - but i dont see how FW has been "won" because of it. /emote shrugs and gets on with enjoying FW.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.06.17 11:54:00 - [60] Have any of you ever "won" an MMO game before? No. You can't win an MMO because it is in a state of perpetualality. To "win" would mean that you have achieved the "final ending" of something. You can win a board game. Let's imagine you were playing a board game and you start on the start space and you roll dice to get to the end space. Whoever gets to the end space first is the winner. In EVE, there is no end space. To put it even simpler, there are no spaces at all. Just dice throws. The Caldari have captured all of the objectives, however since it is still in a state of neutrality, the Gallente can capture systems back. Because the end result of the Caldari capturing plexes results in no finalized ending, nobody has "won" anything, and the Caldari are being rewarded for capturing all the systems. Good job to them. Remember though, there is no "winner" in a perpetual system.

Jin Gle Asgardreia	Posted - 2009.06.17 14:29:00 - [61] aw look the squids still want us to acknowledge their victory :) TBH if the 22nd doesnt get rewarded and every STPRO muppet does, it would be pretty unfair. I hope CCP wil rectify this.
Chompy Caldari	Posted - 2009.06.17 15:35:00 - [62] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Have any of you ever "won" an MMO game before? No. You can't win an MMO because it is in a state of perpetualality. To "win" would mean that you have achieved the "final ending" of something. You can win a board game. Let's imagine you were playing a board game and you start on the start space and you roll dice to get to the end space. Whoever gets to the end space first is the winner. In EVE, there is no end space. To put it even simpler, there are no spaces at all. Just dice throws. The Caldari have captured all of the objectives, however since it is still in a state of neutrality, the Gallente can capture systems back. Because the end result of the Caldari capturing plexes results in no finalized ending, nobody has "won" anything, and the Caldari are being rewarded for capturing all the systems. Good job to them. Remember though, there is no "winner" in a perpetual system. Well said.
Steve Floros	Posted - 2009.06.17 15:35:00 - [63] Yea, yea, Galls may joke about it, but FW is a game, and we play games for the reward, even if thats just a medal. Bet it will look cool in our character sheet. I just hope it stays after someone leaves FW, not like the ranks.
Turelus Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.06.17 21:45:00 - [64] The term "won" comes from some of the Caldari plexing corps who started off joking about winning the war if we took all the systems, we never expected to win by doing it nor do we believe we have. Anyone saying the war is over is stupid, the war will run until CCP decides to end it and with the amount of pilots that do play and enjoy that I doubt it will ever happen. Yes most of us plex corps do run around saying "we won the war" but this most of the time is meant in jest or trolling (I hope all mine have come off as the first)
5fesexyy	Posted - 2009.06.18 10:48:00 - [65] jumpgate has tons of medals and achievements. It is looking awesome.
Hidden Snake Caldari More-Cowbell	Posted - 2009.06.18 11:13:00 - [66] the funny thing is that gals all the time smack they do not care about achievments of caldari ... however when there is something for it the frogs start screaming all around the forums again. funny
jag Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.06.18 11:25:00 - [67] Please make any medals/ribbons as sellable tradeable items. WOLFY/Gallente will be recieving enough of them to finance a small war , if sellable.
Unfamed II Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.06.18 14:05:00 - [68] Awarded for unity in bravery and valor towards the fulfillment of national military objectives resulting in the complete dominance of the Federation and Caldari Warzone û YC 111.05.31 "For courage in the face of danger, For excellence in the field of battle, For boldness in enemy space , For unwavering loyalty to the State, For victory against the Federal Defence Union on YC 111.05.31, The Caldari State awards you the Distinguished Blade." State Executor, Tibus Heth woop
Hidden Snake Caldari More-Cowbell	Posted - 2009.06.18 15:28:00 - [69] Originally by: Unfamed II Awarded for unity in bravery and valor towards the fulfillment of national military objectives resulting in the complete dominance of the Federation and Caldari Warzone û YC 111.05.31 "For courage in the face of danger, For excellence in the field of battle, For boldness in enemy space , For unwavering loyalty to the State, For victory against the Federal Defence Union on YC 111.05.31, The Caldari State awards you the Distinguished Blade." State Executor, Tibus Heth woop sweet :) ... will be my first medal
Logan Xerxes Xerxes Security	Posted - 2009.06.18 15:36:00 - [70] I am very... annoyed right now. If CCP sprung the "release date" forward then it looks like I won't be geting mine. So I miss out because I need to wait 7 days for a new corp to have it's standings generated so I can join the militia. F*cking brilliant.

waruiushiro	Posted - 2009.06.18 16:31:00 - [71] medals are meh. i like loot and corpses.
Turelus Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.06.18 17:48:00 - [72] Topic name: CCP : Who will receive the Caldari Medal? Answer: Not the people that did the work. Yup I'm PO'd and plan to rant about it in every thread we have on the subject.
Pesro Montales Gallente 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.06.18 20:05:00 - [73] They should make the Medal date the 22nd and give the people there gold!
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.06.18 20:07:00 - [74] Originally by: Pesro Montales They should make the Medal date the 22nd and give the people there gold! Heartily supported!
Major Deviant	Posted - 2009.06.18 22:33:00 - [75] Edited by: Major Deviant on 18/06/2009 22:33:24 Ok, it seems people have start receiving the metal and some have not. Th news item still mentions the 23rd so in my eyes there is only on solution to this: Petition Those who believe they deserve the medal and have not received it by the 24th should petition it with the reasons why they should receive it. If they had a good reason to receive it (i.e. 22nd) and the petition is denied, pls post the reasoning of the GM here without GM details (no copypasta). Then grab your pitchforks.
Oftherocks 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.06.19 01:08:00 - [76] I think it would be very nice if we could get some official responses to the questions being asked about this medal. Such as: Who all shall receive the medal (what qualifications are required)?, Why was the date of its awarding announced as the 23rd when it was in actuality awarded on the 18th? Is there any chance you may reconsider how the people who were awarded this medal were chosen? From a RP standpoint do you believe the State would not award its highest ranking members, members who received repeated promotions due to their hard work in securing all Gallente space? I think it was pretty cool that you thought of awarding a medal to the Caldari Militia for conquering all Gallente FW space, but I am very confused by the way it was implemented (both the timing and the selection process). If we could get an official response/explanation on this issue I believe it would go a long way toward removing the bad taste left in many peoples mouth.
Vyrk	Posted - 2009.06.19 03:53:00 - [77] Edited by: Vyrk on 19/06/2009 03:56:18 No offence, but who cares about the silly medal. If i wanted one, i could join a corp in the Caldari Milita and get the medal for doing nothing. So thats what the medal is worth. Nothing. Seriously, those people crying over who gets it or not, need to find something better to do. Enjoy the PvP, thats all that FW is good for. The plexing is annoying - no wonder its not done by most people in FW, except noobs.
Oftherocks 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.06.19 04:55:00 - [78] Originally by: Vyrk noobs. Says the tool with an exclamation point for a portrait.
Bad Messenger Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.06.19 07:28:00 - [79] I has a medal !
Oftherocks 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.06.19 08:32:00 - [80] Originally by: Bad Messenger I has a medal ! Thank you BM for helping me make my point. j/k

Hurtado Soneka Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.06.19 09:51:00 - [81] I butchered children on Intaki Prime and all I got was this?
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.06.19 10:33:00 - [82] My spy got a medal \0/ not much use though is it. At least I could sell my alliance tourney medal, but this just sucks. Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Gorp	Posted - 2009.06.19 10:58:00 - [83] How do I get rid of this stupid medal? Its embarrassing. Seriously.
Turelus Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.06.19 16:34:00 - [84] Edited by: Turelus on 19/06/2009 16:34:31 Originally by: Vyrk Edited by: Vyrk on 19/06/2009 03:56:18 No offence, but who cares about the silly medal. If i wanted one, i could join a corp in the Caldari Milita and get the medal for doing nothing. So thats what the medal is worth. Nothing. Seriously, those people crying over who gets it or not, need to find something better to do. Enjoy the PvP, thats all that FW is good for. The plexing is annoying - no wonder its not done by most people in FW, except noobs. Erm... the 22nd BRDU for all the work we put in? I keep hearing "It's only pixels who cares?" well some of us do care, and it's funny how half the people who didn't got it and those that did didn't. If they had made it tradable maybe we could have got ours off all the people that say they don't care...
GBlair Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.06.20 15:18:00 - [85] Originally by: Parmenides Elea Caldari 0.024 kills daily per member 1.777 VPs daily per member Gallente 0.037 kills daily per member 2.442 VPs daily per member Minmi 0.034 kills daily per member 2.234 VPs daily per member Amarr 0.041 kills daily per member 2.957 VPs daily per member Source http://fwstats.eve-ic.net/ Actually because Caldari have more members, the averages would be pushed down. So all the factions are probably more or less equal on points and kills. Example: 100 Gall members make 100 kills in a day = 1 kill per member. 200 Cal members (even though half of them are inactive) make 100 kills in a day = 0.5 kills per member when it should be 1. At time of writing Caldari Militia has 4972 members and 191 online.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Enterprises	Posted - 2009.06.22 13:54:00 - [86] Originally by: GBlair Originally by: Parmenides Elea Caldari 0.024 kills daily per member 1.777 VPs daily per member Gallente 0.037 kills daily per member 2.442 VPs daily per member Minmi 0.034 kills daily per member 2.234 VPs daily per member Amarr 0.041 kills daily per member 2.957 VPs daily per member Source http://fwstats.eve-ic.net/ Actually because Caldari have more members, the averages would be pushed down. So all the factions are probably more or less equal on points and kills. Example: 100 Gall members make 100 kills in a day = 1 kill per member. 200 Cal members (even though half of them are inactive) make 100 kills in a day = 0.5 kills per member when it should be 1. At time of writing Caldari Militia has 4972 members and 191 online.
Flashh Gorden Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2009.06.22 15:47:00 - [87] Originally by: Parmenides Elea Originally by: Ulstan Edited by: Ulstan on 16/06/2009 20:01:04 Originally by: GoingOffRoading Edited by: GoingOffRoading on 16/06/2009 03:12:25 "You PvE better than naybody else but you suck at PvP... Here's a medal" Yea that sounds like the Caldari The Caldari are getting a medal for beating the crap out of the Gallente and taking every single one of their systems. Losing every system you owned is pretty epic fail and I whole-heartedly support the Gallente being given a medal to commemorate their loss. It takes some special dedication to losing every fight against the Caldari attackers, or even avoiding fighting them at all, to lose all your systems. FFS you know exactly where they are going to be, was it too much work to warp away from the Villore gate to go engage them? It's not the Caldari's fault you were too cowardly or too incompetent to mount any effective opposition to them at all. You didn't even need to know how to use the scanner to find and stop them and you still failed. Way to fail to show up to the PvP fights, Gallente! o7 The constant sour grapes and whining from Gallente get rather old. Why not simply be honest and say "We didn't feel like fighting the Caldari over our plexes, so we didn't show up. As a result of our decision not to engage, we lost our systems, but we're having fun doing something else instead"? As for the medals, they should be given to everyone who was in the militia at the exact moment all the systems were taken, and no one else. No the caldari are getting a medal because they *****ed and moaned loud enough that ccp felt they had to give them something. But what to give them, they hadn't actually done anything other than orbit a button with massive numerical soffline. So a medal was decided upon, that way the caldari can keep preening their epeen and us gal can laugh at their pve medal. As to why the caldari were largly unoppossed in the capture of the systems I guess for us at WOLFY its 2 reasons. First, during the build up to the alliance tourney (and thanks for dropping FW from this years alliance tourney CCP, you will need some pretty good justification for that!) we plexed like mad and the little caldari we encountered were without exception stabbed or fled the system as soon as we entered. So we simply stopped bothering to find a fight in a plex because there wasn't one to be had. Secondly the systems mostly became vulnerable just after dt which normally means only 1 or 2 members online. Of course WOLFY are good but even we would admit that 2 vs 50 is slightly too rich odds. So congrats on your pve victory, we won't memntion numbers or the difference in the rats ewar, you did well to get so organised. Enjoy your medals, I hope they made it all worth while.
GavinGoodrich	Posted - 2009.06.22 20:59:00 - [88] CCP: Something to consider. You probably already knew this was going to happen, offering a blanket award to any member of the Caldari on suchandsuch date. Don't consider this a "winning the war" medal guys. Think of this as more like a campaign ribbon for people who served during that time. Similar to real national militaries (sorta). They campaigned, they hit an unprecedented milestone; that deserves an award. Trouble is, it came late. I'd say at least 1/2 the people involved with earning this medal (one major group of them being the 22nd) actually didn't get it cause of the late response. They moved on with thier lives. Whatever, that's old news. Main thing is we now have an award which is going out to alts that very well never even participated in this campaign, vs. players directly involved for months that won't even see it. Blanket awards may seem like a viable solution, but in the end the people that really deserved it the most aren't even getting it. Put me in for ANYone who was in the 22nd during this timeframe to get this award. Others can probably petition and state thier case why they think they earned it (and insert massive troll replies.......here ________). You're not going to fix the hundreds of random characters in the caldari militia when this award went out that probably didn't deserve it. It's just NOT worth the effort on CCP's part. Big effin' deal. Let's at least make sure the ones who campaigned for this mofo gets something out of it, eh? Again, treat this like a campaign, and it probably makes a little more sense in this whole faction warfare thing. -Gav
GavinGoodrich	Posted - 2009.06.22 21:06:00 - [89] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs My spy got a medal \0/ not much use though is it. At least I could sell my alliance tourney medal, but this just sucks.
Major Deviant	Posted - 2009.06.22 21:24:00 - [90] Well as I have stated previously, come 24th and it is petition time. I can not get the fact that my FW character is wing commander rank, leaves FW for FIVE days to give the epic arc a shot and BAM! No medal..... While being there when the last system fell....



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