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Iwant Urstuff Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp	Posted - 2009.06.16 22:20:00 - [1] I raized thiz issue before when the previouz carebear and 0.0 only CSM waz in office. Of courze they refuzed to even conzider the izzue, with one CSM delegate stating that he would prefer to see War Decz either eliminated altogether in Hi Sec or limited to ONE at a time. For the Privateerz our there, the working guyz who are kinda sleepy eyed in the back, the killerz amongzt uz, you know the rank and file DPS guyz, we need more WAR in Hi Sec. Hi Sec izn't suppozed to be totally safe, and the 24 hour limit for a vote, 1 hour delay to implement the vote to a sanctionable action, then 24 hourz to implement the action, and only three at a time. Well, if you have been an aggrezzor in Hi Sec you know what happenz: the war target turtlez up and doezn't undock, the war target removez itemz of interezt to the attacker, the war target joinz an alliance leavez it and then well no more war dec. Thiz needz to be addrezzed. One partial fix iz to raize the limit to 6 with a correzponding increaze in chargez by Concord to saction the activity. Iwant Urstuff CEO Iwant Urstuff Corp .MSC eht rof etadidnac P&C relssarT sinokraL roF etoV
Iwant Urstuff Iwant Urstuff Corp	Posted - 2009.06.16 22:21:00 - [2] Edited by: Iwant Urstuff on 16/06/2009 22:20:55 I support my own topic. .MSC eht rof etadidnac P&C relssarT sinokraL roF etoV
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.06.16 22:33:00 - [3] Originally by: Iwant Urstuff I raized thiz issue before when the previouz carebear and 0.0 only CSM waz in office. Of courze they refuzed to even conzider the izzue, with one CSM delegate stating that he would prefer to see War Decz either eliminated altogether in Hi Sec or limited to ONE at a time. For the Privateerz our there, the working guyz who are kinda sleepy eyed in the back, the killerz amongzt uz, you know the rank and file DPS guyz, we need more WAR in Hi Sec. Hi Sec izn't suppozed to be totally safe, and the 24 hour limit for a vote, 1 hour delay to implement the vote to a sanctionable action, then 24 hourz to implement the action, and only three at a time. Well, if you have been an aggrezzor in Hi Sec you know what happenz: the war target turtlez up and doezn't undock, the war target removez itemz of interezt to the attacker, the war target joinz an alliance leavez it and then well no more war dec. Thiz needz to be addrezzed. One partial fix iz to raize the limit to 6 with a correzponding increaze in chargez by Concord to saction the activity. When you take the idea seriously, and highsec Wardecs do need looking at, i'll take your thread seriously. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Larkonis TrassIer Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.06.16 22:57:00 - [4] If you can rephrase this topic without sounding like someone who has +/-1 chromosone I might support it.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.06.16 23:14:00 - [5] Originally by: RedSplat When you take the idea seriously, and highsec Wardecs do need looking at, i'll take your thread seriously. Pretty much this.
Iwant Urstuff Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp	Posted - 2009.06.16 23:40:00 - [6] Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer If you can rephrase this topic without sounding like someone who has +/-1 chromosone I might support it. Well Larkonis I see your pretty much like the rezt of thoze previouz CSM rezidentz. Iwant Urstuff CEO Iwant Urstuff Corp
Iwant Urstuff Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp	Posted - 2009.06.16 23:40:00 - [7] Edited by: Iwant Urstuff on 16/06/2009 23:40:35 Double pozt weird.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.06.17 00:42:00 - [8] See, your real problem here is this is the Assembly Hall, not C&P (or CAOD). If you want us to take you seriously, talking in lolspeak (or whatever messed up language you're using) is definitely not the way to do it. --Vel Experience is what you get right after you need it.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.06.17 01:18:00 - [9] Edited by: Drake Draconis on 17/06/2009 01:26:21 Originally by: Iwant Urstuff I raized thiz issue before when the previouz carebear and 0.0 only CSM waz in office. Of courze they refuzed to even conzider the izzue, with one CSM delegate stating that he would prefer to see War Decz either eliminated altogether in Hi Sec or limited to ONE at a time. For the Privateerz our there, the working guyz who are kinda sleepy eyed in the back, the killerz amongzt uz, you know the rank and file DPS guyz, we need more WAR in Hi Sec. Hi Sec izn't suppozed to be totally safe, and the 24 hour limit for a vote, 1 hour delay to implement the vote to a sanctionable action, then 24 hourz to implement the action, and only three at a time. Well, if you have been an aggrezzor in Hi Sec you know what happenz: the war target turtlez up and doezn't undock, the war target removez itemz of interezt to the attacker, the war target joinz an alliance leavez it and then well no more war dec. Thiz needz to be addrezzed. One partial fix iz to raize the limit to 6 with a correzponding increaze in chargez by Concord to saction the activity. Iwant Urstuff CEO Iwant Urstuff Corp Do you speak english? ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Aethrwolf Caldari Home for Wayward Gamers	Posted - 2009.06.17 07:13:00 - [10] Originally by: Drake Draconis Edited by: Drake Draconis on 17/06/2009 01:26:21 Originally by: Iwant Urstuff I raized thiz issue before when the previouz carebear and 0.0 only CSM waz in office. Of courze they refuzed to even conzider the izzue, with one CSM delegate stating that he would prefer to see War Decz either eliminated altogether in Hi Sec or limited to ONE at a time. For the Privateerz our there, the working guyz who are kinda sleepy eyed in the back, the killerz amongzt uz, you know the rank and file DPS guyz, we need more WAR in Hi Sec. Hi Sec izn't suppozed to be totally safe, and the 24 hour limit for a vote, 1 hour delay to implement the vote to a sanctionable action, then 24 hourz to implement the action, and only three at a time. Well, if you have been an aggrezzor in Hi Sec you know what happenz: the war target turtlez up and doezn't undock, the war target removez itemz of interezt to the attacker, the war target joinz an alliance leavez it and then well no more war dec. Thiz needz to be addrezzed. One partial fix iz to raize the limit to 6 with a correzponding increaze in chargez by Concord to saction the activity. Iwant Urstuff CEO Iwant Urstuff Corp Do you speak english? looks like he speaks vampire.
Fille Balle Dissolution Of Eternity Event Horizon.	Posted - 2009.06.17 08:06:00 - [11] Um, I'd agree, except for one problem. Wardec's are currently a redundant feature. The only corps that don't know how to evade wardec's are noob corps, and you really don't need to cause more misery for them. Fix wardec's, and I might agree with this. But for now, I don't see how this would benefit anybody.
Iwant Urstuff Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp	Posted - 2009.06.17 13:44:00 - [12] I raised this issue before when the previous carebear and 0.0 only CSM was in office. Of course they refused to even consider the issue, with one CSM delegate stating that he would prefer to see War Decs either eliminated altogether in Hi Sec or limited to ONE at a time. For the Privateers our there, the working guys who are kinda sleepy eyed in the back, the killers amongst us, you know the rank and file DPS guys, we need more WAR in Hi Sec. Hi Sec isn't supposed to be totally safe, and the 24 hour limit for a vote, 1 hour delay to implement the vote to a sanctionable action, then 24 hours to implement the action, and only three at a time. Well, if you have been an aggressor in Hi Sec you know what happens: the war target turtles up and doezn't undock, the war target removes items of interest to the attacker, the war target joins an alliance leaves it and then well no more war dec. This needs to be addressed. One partial fix is to raise the limit to 6 with a corresponding increase in charges by Concord to saction the activity. Iwant Urstuff CEO Iwant Urstuff Corp P.S. the z'z zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz there Trass1er (can't even spell his name right as the real trassler seem to have forum issues) how about some support now?
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.06.17 14:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Fille Balle Um, I'd agree, except for one problem. Wardec's are currently a redundant feature. The only corps that don't know how to evade wardec's are noob corps, and you really don't need to cause more misery for them. Fix wardec's, and I might agree with this. But for now, I don't see how this would benefit anybody. This... making a broken system worse is not something I Want to see. Not supported.
Dierdra Vaal	Posted - 2009.06.17 14:18:00 - [14] what is stopping you from creating an alliance (or have one created for you) and avoiding the limit alltogether?
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.06.17 14:20:00 - [15] Originally by: Dierdra Vaal what is stopping you from creating an alliance (or have one created for you) and avoiding the limit alltogether? Because alliances are under the same limit... even if they have a larger number of corporations.
Syringe Oedipus Complex	Posted - 2009.06.17 14:21:00 - [16] Wtf happened to your "s"' dude?
Dierdra Vaal	Posted - 2009.06.17 14:25:00 - [17] Originally by: Drake Draconis Originally by: Dierdra Vaal what is stopping you from creating an alliance (or have one created for you) and avoiding the limit alltogether? Because alliances are under the same limit... even if they have a larger number of corporations. "Note: A corporation can only have a maximum of 3 wars, an Alliance has no such limit. " source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/War_Declaration
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.06.17 14:38:00 - [18] Originally by: Dierdra Vaal Originally by: Drake Draconis Originally by: Dierdra Vaal what is stopping you from creating an alliance (or have one created for you) and avoiding the limit alltogether? Because alliances are under the same limit... even if they have a larger number of corporations. "Note: A corporation can only have a maximum of 3 wars, an Alliance has no such limit. " source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/War_Declaration I stand corrected.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.06.17 15:42:00 - [19] Edited by: De''Veldrin on 17/06/2009 15:43:13 Originally by: Dierdra Vaal what is stopping you from creating an alliance (or have one created for you) and avoiding the limit alltogether? This is what: Originally by: http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/War_Declaration It costs 2 million isk for a corporation to declare war on another corporation . It costs 50 million isk for a corporation or alliance to declare war on an alliance. It costs 50 million isk for an alliance to declare war on a corporation. I highlighted the key point. What it boils down to is they want to grief more corporations at once, without having to pay 25x the ISK per war dec to do so.
Iwant Urstuff Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp	Posted - 2009.06.17 20:04:00 - [20] The statement that it costs 2 million per war dec is categorically untrue. It costs 2 million for the FIRST war dec. Then 4 million for the second dec then 6 million for the third. The eqaution for a single corp on corp war dec is B x (N +1) where B = Base Price, N = number of wars you currently have, (it can get even more expensive if there are others deccing the target corp. So the fourth, fifth and sixth war dec fees would be 8, 10, and 12 million ISK respectively. Your alliance suggestion is ridiculous spend 50 mil, 100 mil 150 mil and up? No thank you. I confess I would probably just use 4 (sometimes 5) of them so I could rapidly cycle them when the War Target corp turtles up or joins an alliance and leaves it, or they almost all leave and join a noob corp. I keep seeing people using the word "grief", whatever for? Iwant Urstuff Corp has never War Decced a noob corp, I defy you to find one thread stating such, I see those posts all the time where the noob corp is asking what to do, or trying to hire mercs to help them. I only do what the game allows, and I have never camped a station and camped a gate once for about 15 minutes. I have been in over 150 wars and successfully prosecuted 47 of them. In almost all other cases the war deccees (for lack of a better term) simply avoided conflict. This wasn't always the case and my hat is off to one valiant and brave Drake pilot who quite succintly sank my battleship. I didn't cry and come to forums asking for a Drake nerf or anything like that, that valiant and solo pilot took on 5 Geddons and an Omen and won, he took out two of our BS. Again Ajay010 pilot of Death and Glory Corp Good Fight!!! This guy is outstanding and it was actually fun getting blown out of space by him. Talk about the 300 at Thermopylae I was just in awe. What I am trying to accomplish here is just to be able to fight every once in awhile. If you disagree with fighting in Hi Sec well that is your right to have an opinion. But the Nerf bat swung to far the other way after the Privateers tried to War Dec everybody in Hi Sec. I am not asking for a return to that status of EVE. I am simply asking the CSM to consider edging it a little back the other way and if they agree take that to CCP. I don't think that is to much to ask. Just discuss it in the CSM and see if some 8 mil, 10 mil and an occasional 12 mil war dec fee is to much. I don't want to form an alliance, to many people use those to get out of wars. I want to fight other corps and take their stuff, if I win. If you don't understand that well, I kinda feel sorry for you. Iwant Urstuff CEO Iwant Urstuff Corp
Milo Caman Gallente Ghost Festival	Posted - 2009.06.17 20:28:00 - [21] Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer If you can rephrase this topic without sounding like someone who has +/-1 chromosone I might support it. Quoted for truth. Out of Sinq
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.06.17 22:13:00 - [22] Originally by: Iwant Urstuff The statement that it costs 2 million per war dec is categorically untrue. It costs 2 million for the FIRST war dec. Then 4 million for the second dec then 6 million for the third. The eqaution for a single corp on corp war dec is B x (N +1) where B = Base Price, N = number of wars you currently have, (it can get even more expensive if there are others deccing the target corp. So the fourth, fifth and sixth war dec fees would be 8, 10, and 12 million ISK respectively. Your alliance suggestion is ridiculous spend 50 mil, 100 mil 150 mil and up? No thank you. I confess I would probably just use 4 (sometimes 5) of them so I could rapidly cycle them when the War Target corp turtles up or joins an alliance and leaves it, or they almost all leave and join a noob corp. I keep seeing people using the word "grief", whatever for? Iwant Urstuff Corp has never War Decced a noob corp, I defy you to find one thread stating such, I see those posts all the time where the noob corp is asking what to do, or trying to hire mercs to help them. I only do what the game allows, and I have never camped a station and camped a gate once for about 15 minutes. I have been in over 150 wars and successfully prosecuted 47 of them. In almost all other cases the war deccees (for lack of a better term) simply avoided conflict. This wasn't always the case and my hat is off to one valiant and brave Drake pilot who quite succintly sank my battleship. I didn't cry and come to forums asking for a Drake nerf or anything like that, that valiant and solo pilot took on 5 Geddons and an Omen and won, he took out two of our BS. Again Ajay010 pilot of Death and Glory Corp Good Fight!!! This guy is outstanding and it was actually fun getting blown out of space by him. Talk about the 300 at Thermopylae I was just in awe. What I am trying to accomplish here is just to be able to fight every once in awhile. If you disagree with fighting in Hi Sec well that is your right to have an opinion. But the Nerf bat swung to far the other way after the Privateers tried to War Dec everybody in Hi Sec. I am not asking for a return to that status of EVE. I am simply asking the CSM to consider edging it a little back the other way and if they agree take that to CCP. I don't think that is to much to ask. Just discuss it in the CSM and see if some 8 mil, 10 mil and an occasional 12 mil war dec fee is to much. I don't want to form an alliance, to many people use those to get out of wars. I want to fight other corps and take their stuff, if I win. If you don't understand that well, I kinda feel sorry for you. Iwant Urstuff CEO Iwant Urstuff Corp You may look at war-dec's as fun... but not everyone does. They call it grefing because its one sided the entire time. The one who war-dec's can keep it up for as long as they choose to do it. There is no end to it.... there's no victory conditions... there's no time limit... no cool down. Many corps... minus yours according to your statement... use this and abuse this. By raising the limit... it makes the problem worse. If you want the limit raised... the price tag should be raised dramatically. If not weighed on a number of factors.... frequency of war.... number of concurrent wars... corporation age.... and such. All this is going to do is force more people to jump ship and go to NPC corps... that or join larger alliances. The idea is to make it work... not make it worse! ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Admiral IceBlock Northern Intelligence	Posted - 2009.06.18 13:40:00 - [23] LOL! Wardeccing another corp. is griefing allright.. /signed.
Iwant Urstuff Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp	Posted - 2009.06.18 14:20:00 - [24] Originally by: Dierdra Vaal Originally by: Drake Draconis Originally by: Dierdra Vaal what is stopping you from creating an alliance (or have one created for you) and avoiding the limit alltogether? Because alliances are under the same limit... even if they have a larger number of corporations. "Note: A corporation can only have a maximum of 3 wars, an Alliance has no such limit. " source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/War_Declaration It's simple Dierdra War Decs for Alliances start at 50 million and go up from there. While I realize that those of you rolling in ISK from your multiple Veldspar mining accounts see this as not a problem, I find mining HIGHLY boring, I also don't like to build stuff. This game is supposed to be multi-faceted and never safe, even without undcoking you can be ripped off. It seems that the previous CSM really didn't want their Hi Sec operations disrupted at all, for various reasons, while this is understandable from their point of view, it does not represent the views of all of the EVE community. Some of us like smaller scale fights, not the hundreds of ships and all the LAG associated with those fights. Try looking at the situation from another point of view. The CSM is afterall supposed to represent the views of the EVE community (not just their own views) to CCP. Iwant Urstuff CEO Iwant Urstuff Corp
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.06.18 14:22:00 - [25] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock LOL! Wardeccing another corp. is griefing allright.. /signed. Last time you decided to have an opinion You don't even bother reading let alone hear anyone out so you have very little room to speak. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.06.18 14:27:00 - [26] Originally by: Iwant Urstuff Originally by: Dierdra Vaal Originally by: Drake Draconis Originally by: Dierdra Vaal what is stopping you from creating an alliance (or have one created for you) and avoiding the limit alltogether? Because alliances are under the same limit... even if they have a larger number of corporations. "Note: A corporation can only have a maximum of 3 wars, an Alliance has no such limit. " source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/War_Declaration It's simple Dierdra War Decs for Alliances start at 50 million and go up from there. While I realize that those of you rolling in ISK from your multiple Veldspar mining accounts see this as not a problem, I find mining HIGHLY boring, I also don't like to build stuff. This game is supposed to be multi-faceted and never safe, even without undcoking you can be ripped off. It seems that the previous CSM really didn't want their Hi Sec operations disrupted at all, for various reasons, while this is understandable from their point of view, it does not represent the views of all of the EVE community. Some of us like smaller scale fights, not the hundreds of ships and all the LAG associated with those fights. Try looking at the situation from another point of view. The CSM is afterall supposed to represent the views of the EVE community (not just their own views) to CCP. Iwant Urstuff CEO Iwant Urstuff Corp We are... your wanting to take on more war-dec's simultaneously while keeping it cheap. alliances have unlimited access but its rather expensive. I can't support this due to that fact. If you really want it that bad... then you'll just have to make your own alliance. Maybe you'll find out that there's more to eve then just war-dec'ing. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.06.18 14:30:00 - [27] Originally by: Iwant Urstuff The CSM is afterall supposed to represent the views of the EVE community (not just their own views) to CCP. Unfortunately, you are not the entirety of the EVE community, so stop playing the martyr. You post an idea, multiple people comment on it, and the CSM ultimately decide what to take to CCP. The fact that your idea isn't generating as much support as you might like isn't evidence of some great scheme to oppress the pewpew community.
Gimme Urstuff Iwant Urstuff Corp	Posted - 2009.06.18 14:31:00 - [28] Well the fearless snoozer has requested we get on and start supporting this. I really think it is high time the CSM debate this topic. The last time this was raised there was a lot of support from many various eve playstyles and groups. I find it interesting that those players seem to have given up on the CSM even considering something that has even a low probability of impacting their playstyle. Gimme Urstuff
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.06.18 14:33:00 - [29] Hate to break it to you... but supporting a topic means nothing. Anyone can click that stupid button and say support... and anyone can grab 10 freaking alts and do the same thing. The CSM is not that stupid... They are smart enough to figure out who's BS'ing and whose serious about it. The true test is substance and overall opinion.. and furthermore whether the CSM as a whole agrees with the prospect.
Nquyen Win Minmatar Win Tech In 2 Deep	Posted - 2009.06.18 14:42:00 - [30] Edited by: Nquyen Win on 18/06/2009 14:43:52 Bah this is nuts. I hope the CSM passes on this. -------------------------------------------- One sale to rule them all, One sale to find them, One sale to bring them all, and in my wallet hide them.

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