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MetalZero Minmatar Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.18 02:07:00 - [31] Edited by: MetalZero on 18/06/2009 02:08:09 Originally by: Silc'n Sums it up quite nicely. I will probably never meet the anonymous goons that did all the logistics work but I just want to say thank you. For every POS you set up, for every module you anchored, for every stront bay you timed correctly, for every jump bridge you fueled - THANK YOU. You guys and gals did a great job... Your leaders should be very proud of you ........... ..... Signed !!! You "logistics-guys" are the heroes of this story. En su nombre SALUD !
Cordele Gallente Gemini Technologies Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.06.18 02:14:00 - [32] Originally by: Montasque I actually much prefer the first one as far as writing and story telling goes. Also it has an inherent bias but he gets the facts right so I dont understand your criticism. A few of the facts are wrong. KenZoku was never a pet, and Delve doesn't have the highest income potential of any region. At the time of the invasion, it was equal third with Esoteria, behind Deklein and Fountain. The market has changed since then and Delve is now equal second, but Fountain is still by far the most lucrative region for moon income. Also, the article claims that several titans were confirmed to have been destroyed in the CSAAs, whilst in fact what was actually destroyed is disputed. There are several other claims dubiously asserted as facts, but they're either debatable or unverifiable.
Etho Demerzel Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone	Posted - 2009.06.18 02:50:00 - [33] Originally by: Cordele Originally by: Montasque I actually much prefer the first one as far as writing and story telling goes. Also it has an inherent bias but he gets the facts right so I dont understand your criticism. A few of the facts are wrong. KenZoku was never a pet, and Delve doesn't have the highest income potential of any region. At the time of the invasion, it was equal third with Esoteria, behind Deklein and Fountain. The market has changed since then and Delve is now equal second, but Fountain is still by far the most lucrative region for moon income. Also, the article claims that several titans were confirmed to have been destroyed in the CSAAs, whilst in fact what was actually destroyed is disputed. There are several other claims dubiously asserted as facts, but they're either debatable or unverifiable. Although BoB's competence is not exactly great I doubt even them would be stupid enough not to build as many titans as they could. No 0.0 Alliance keeps its CSAAs idle. It is stupid given the time it takes to build titans and the importance of those ships nowadays. So either BoB was extremelly incompetent and used their CSAA for nothing or for useless motherships, or at least some of them had titans building. Now about Delve, it is the best region in the galaxy, considering moons, broken true secs and easiness to explore and defend them.
Cordele Gallente Gemini Technologies Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.06.18 03:27:00 - [34] Originally by: Etho Demerzel Now about Delve, it is the best region in the galaxy, considering moons, broken true secs and easiness to explore and defend them. What the best region in EVE is, and what criteria should be used to decide that, is debatable. The article however claims that Delve has the highest income potential of any region, which anyone with an accurate moon map can tell is false. As to the CSAAs; only the people with direct access to them at the time they were attacked would have known what they were actually building. Everything else is speculation. There was a thread on the leaked Director Forums that was supposed to give some indication of what supercaps were under construction, but it was worded unclearly and was allegedly misinterpreted. What was really destroyed in the CSAAs we may never know, but unlike the article suggests, there was never any confirmation that it was several titans, and that claim was disputed.
Stevens Caldari Baptism oF Fire Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.06.18 03:58:00 - [35] Originally by: Cordele What the best region in EVE is, and what criteria should be used to decide that, is debatable. The article however claims that Delve has the highest income potential of any region, which anyone with an accurate moon map can tell is false. I'm glad you say we can debate what makes a region the most valuable and then say we are wrong for not using your criteria. Moon income isn't the only thing that makes the region worth a lot. The broken truesec and officer spawns help quite a bit to your average goon.
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.18 04:02:00 - [36] npc space, broken truesec, moon income, 20 outposts ready-made (we built more) with a sov4->sov4 unsiegable bridge net i don't know if heretic nation holds any space anywhere so i'm not surprised you're missing this vOv
Cordele Gallente Gemini Technologies Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.06.18 04:37:00 - [37] Originally by: Stevens I'm glad you say we can debate what makes a region the most valuable and then say we are wrong for not using your criteria. Moon income isn't the only thing that makes the region worth a lot. The broken truesec and officer spawns help quite a bit to your average goon. It's pretty clear the article is referring to alliance-level income in the context of funding a war, which means moons, unless Mittani would like to correct that. Even if it is not supposed to refer to moons, Delve is not the only region in the game with "broken" true sec, and it isn't the best for member-level income either. I didn't give any criteria for what makes a region the best overall (that is a different question), so I didn't say anyone was wrong for not using them. The article makes a factually inaccurate statement specifically about which region has the highest income potential, not which is best for other reasons. Originally by: The Mittani npc space, broken truesec, moon income, 20 outposts ready-made Is the article referring to one of those in particular, or all of them? In either case, Delve does not have highest income potential of any region by those criteria.
Sun Ra Minmatar Culture Breach	Posted - 2009.06.18 10:06:00 - [38] Quote: First, there was the Great Northern War. It was a bitter conflict, but this was 2004; not many people played EVE. Stopped reading there, newb Grats RZR only too you 5 years to get revenge
marxist revolutionary Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.18 10:12:00 - [39] Edited by: marxist revolutionary on 18/06/2009 10:13:06 those articles were kind of dry
Vile rat Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.18 11:57:00 - [40] Originally by: Cordele Originally by: Montasque I actually much prefer the first one as far as writing and story telling goes. Also it has an inherent bias but he gets the facts right so I dont understand your criticism. A few of the facts are wrong. KenZoku was never a pet, and Delve doesn't have the highest income potential of any region. At the time of the invasion, it was equal third with Esoteria, behind Deklein and Fountain. The market has changed since then and Delve is now equal second, but Fountain is still by far the most lucrative region for moon income. Also, the article claims that several titans were confirmed to have been destroyed in the CSAAs, whilst in fact what was actually destroyed is disputed. There are several other claims dubiously asserted as facts, but they're either debatable or unverifiable. I dispute everything you said but much like you I'm chosing not to back up any of my claims.

Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.06.18 12:06:00 - [41] Originally by: Cordele A few of the facts are wrong. KenZoku was never a pet kenzoku - (n) family / dependents / household http://www.freedict.com/onldict/jap.html KenZoku MEANS 'pet'; it was obviously the 'official' alt/pet alliance as evidenced by the anime (is cartoons) name and the RKZ ticker (RKK -> RKZ, not much of a leap there is it?). What are you on about?
WrathOfOprah Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.18 13:17:00 - [42] Originally by: Cordele Is the article referring to one of those in particular, or all of them? In either case, Delve does not have highest income potential of any region by those criteria. Yes it does.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.06.18 15:05:00 - [43] Originally by: WrathOfOprah Originally by: Cordele Is the article referring to one of those in particular, or all of them? In either case, Delve does not have highest income potential of any region by those criteria. Yes it does. never seen an officer spawn 'cept when I went to Delve, where we got 5 in the same system in the space of 3 weeks I mean what the hell - Contagious -
von Goethe Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.18 15:21:00 - [44] And rats melt like butter. I suppose the tradeoff was supposed to be that they can nos, but when even cruisers are CCC'd, it's laughable.
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.18 15:23:00 - [45] yeah i kind of always wondered why the bob people were talking about how easy it is to make money ratting but then we had angels going from angels to bloods gives you rat whiplash
Kearl Gallente Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.06.18 15:28:00 - [46] Excellent write up.. I thought the battle for i1y was a turning point and the jump bug played heavily into our favor when -A- went to save their 64's. Still like stated victor gets to write the history..
Montasque Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.18 15:28:00 - [47] I was ratting Sansha's when I had the chance, and their not AS good as bloods but pretty damn close. Any way Angel's are the worst rats, and where Kengoku is most likely going their going to learn this first hand.
Orree Gallente Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.06.18 17:41:00 - [48] Spent much time on Guristas? Even mission runners agree they are pretty much the worst...I think followed closely by the Serpentis. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Montasque Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.18 17:51:00 - [49] Edited by: Montasque on 18/06/2009 17:51:58 Edited by: Montasque on 18/06/2009 17:51:23 Originally by: Orree Spent much time on Guristas? Even mission runners agree they are pretty much the worst...I think followed closely by the Serpentis. Nah, Angels are the worst. Crap loot, hard to kill, and lots of kiting. Seriously, you have to omni tank them because they are capable of doing all damage types, they're just awful. I hope KenGoKu enjoys them as much as I did.
Sentinel Eeex Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.18 22:28:00 - [50] Originally by: Cordele What the best region in EVE is, and what criteria should be used to decide that, is debatable. The article however claims that Delve has the highest income potential of any region, which anyone with an accurate moon map can tell is false. Jesus christ, you are really dumb.

RedSplat Caldari Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.06.18 23:07:00 - [51] The Glorious Nation lives in Lowsec and has no designs on ~~POS Borefare~~ owning space. Anyway, good reads again. Now what the hell are you going to write about next, its about time you changed subject matter. (Piracy; its roots evoloution and current state, future aspirations? Go on) Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Orree Gallente Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.06.18 23:10:00 - [52] Originally by: Montasque Edited by: Montasque on 18/06/2009 17:51:58 Edited by: Montasque on 18/06/2009 17:51:23 Originally by: Orree Spent much time on Guristas? Even mission runners agree they are pretty much the worst...I think followed closely by the Serpentis. Nah, Angels are the worst. Crap loot, hard to kill, and lots of kiting. Seriously, you have to omni tank them because they are capable of doing all damage types, they're just awful. I hope KenGoKu enjoys them as much as I did. Crap loot might actually be fairly universal. Crap salvage isn't. Gurista's salvage is pretty much the worst. Point taken about the need for an omnitank, but then again..rats aren't tough no matter the type. The difference (for me) tends to be the annoyance factor of their "EWAR." ...is any more annoying than being perma-jammed by Guristas? Serpentis comes close with the sensor damping...but at least most of their rats like to MWD right up to you (aiding in ease of salvage and looting). Being perma-jammed by Guristas is as bad as being perma-jammed in PVP. It just crushes your soul, man...lol. (I know...look at the big bear...) Sorry for the off-topic-ness, btw. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.19 05:05:00 - [53] i think i'm going to have a 'best of the best chat****' article and then who knows, someone will do something stupid that's worth mocking (daira lir springs to mind) that i can wring a column out of
Xenon Barinade Caldari The Green Machine Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.06.19 05:14:00 - [54] Originally by: The Mittani i think i'm going to have a 'best of the best chat****' article and then who knows, someone will do something stupid that's worth mocking (daira lir springs to mind) that i can wring a column out of hehe you should make a few hundred CAOD threads about it, doing nothing put c+p crap.
Cordele Gallente Gemini Technologies Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.06.19 05:40:00 - [55] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Cordele A few of the facts are wrong. KenZoku was never a pet kenzoku - (n) family / dependents / household http://www.freedict.com/onldict/jap.html KenZoku MEANS 'pet'; it was obviously the 'official' alt/pet alliance as evidenced by the anime (is cartoons) name and the RKZ ticker (RKK -> RKZ, not much of a leap there is it?). What are you on about? KenZoku was originally set up by Reikoku for their own alt corps, not independent renters or pets. According to them the name is supposed to mean "Tribal", which I guess was a reference to the old BoB logo. Originally by: WrathOfOprah Originally by: Cordele Is the article referring to one of those in particular, or all of them? In either case, Delve does not have highest income potential of any region by those criteria. Yes it does. Delve is one of the best regions for personal income, but there are other good regions for that, and whether Delve is the best of them isn't a straightforward question. It is not a clear uncontested winner. In terms of corp income from taxes on bounties, Delve is no different from any other region with good true sec or nearby NPC sovereignty. The drone regions are probably better for income from refinery outposts. In terms of alliance income from moons, Delve is about equal to Esoteria, easily beaten by Fountain (more dyspro and promethium), and usually worse than Deklein (more dyspro but less promethium). Originally by: Sentinel Eeex Jesus christ, you are really dumb. I guess if he were here to respond he'd turn the other cheek. Christ is usually capitalised, by the way.
Xenon Barinade Caldari The Green Machine Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.06.19 06:13:00 - [56] Typical for blisters to grow, eventually they will pop,.. looks like a certain yellow one is ripe to explode.
Sadrinna Minmatar Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.19 08:24:00 - [57] Very nice writeup Mittani! Grats! Kept me hooked for an hour reading both :) Also gave me a chance to read about RoyofCA. I had seen the station name but i never gave it any thought. Very nice story, very touching too, he will surely be missed ps: the memorial picture with the little bee made me shed a tear
Captain Corbulo Minmatar Master Miners	Posted - 2009.06.19 09:41:00 - [58] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Would that include the original giant nap train, the GBC. I didn't think so. looking at what i know from eve history, i believe your wrong there, The cookies, cake and pie alliance (CCCP), later known as Band of Brothers (after they got renamed by CCP), was originaly founded to fight against the Northern Naptrain - so i believe its wrong to call them the "original giant nap train" Also the numbers of goonswarm alone equal the numbers that the GBC had - together with all the allies (northern coalition, you PL guys, etc) they where clearly outnumbered. Bobs problem was that in the end they had made more enemies then they could handle anyways, i believe delve war II is over, and i can not wait to see what happens next, now that goons are the ones controlling eve.
King Dead Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.19 10:05:00 - [59] Originally by: Captain Corbulo now that goons are the ones controlling eve. We control your game.
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.19 12:08:00 - [60] Originally by: Cordele KenZoku was originally set up by Reikoku for their own alt corps, not independent renters or pets. According to them the name is supposed to mean "Tribal", which I guess was a reference to the old BoB logo. oh wow dianabolic posts from right after the disbanding i see that your citation selection is as reliable as your analysis of the value of regions~



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