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The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.17 20:05:00 - [1] History is written by the victors. Here's the history! Part One: http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/69645 Part Two: http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/69868 This doesn't include particularly controversial statements. It runs from the moments prior to BoB's disbanding to KenZoku's collapse. If you participated in the war, you probably know everything that happened in this already. If not, enjoy!
CHAOS100 Gallente Widowmakers	Posted - 2009.06.17 20:13:00 - [2] are we going to get a new James 315 post soon?
ian666 Minmatar Lamb Federation Navy C0VEN	Posted - 2009.06.17 20:29:00 - [3] my cat died
Genuinely Windypops Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.06.17 20:30:00 - [4] Originally by: CHAOS100 are we going to get a new James 315 post soon? Doubt it, Mittens isn't banned anymore.
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.17 20:34:00 - [5] sir i could not be james 315 that man is a crook and i am not a crook
Bob Mc Caldari Shade. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.06.17 20:35:00 - [6] Good reading, getting started on part two now. Thank you.
Genuinely Windypops Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.06.17 20:37:00 - [7] Originally by: The Mittani sir i could not be james 315 that man is a crook and i am not a crook Then who stole the starlight, and put it in your smile?
Major Stormer Caldari MEK Enterprises	Posted - 2009.06.17 20:38:00 - [8] Just what i was looking for :) --- http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com
Twoside Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.17 20:40:00 - [9] nice read ta
Bin Matar Minmatar Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2009.06.17 20:46:00 - [10] Good read as always. Quote: [20:25:09] wtfepixz > did someone just shoot me?

Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Star's Dust Industrie	Posted - 2009.06.17 21:00:00 - [11] TCF ~~out of~~ nowhere Fetchez la vache ! moar(tm) < soon(tm) :(
Jim Linger Minmatar Black Nova Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.06.17 22:11:00 - [12] It's a bit bias, but a good/accurate read. Seriously, well done <3 i'm not an alt i just post like one
Machine Delta Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.17 22:15:00 - [13] Originally by: Jim Linger It's a bit bias Victors get to write history.
Hasan Rachid Minmatar Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.06.17 22:29:00 - [14] nice read, would be nice to have a response in a similar vein from Kenny
Besomyka Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.17 22:33:00 - [15] Originally by: Hasan Rachid nice read, would be nice to have a response in a similar vein from Kenny If they'd write one, I'd at least read it.
sakana Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.06.17 22:43:00 - [16] tis good.
Veto Nalloc Caldari Knights of the Old Empire AAA Citizens	Posted - 2009.06.17 22:51:00 - [17] Good read, two thumbs up
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.06.17 22:53:00 - [18] pretty cool imo - Contagious -
Val Streth Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.17 22:56:00 - [19] Originally by: Rawr Cristina pretty cool imo Hi baby, where you been? I miss you. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One hand on their junk and the other pounding their keyboard throwing Rifter after Rifter at us every day.
Fire Hawk Gallente Destructive Influence KenZoku	Posted - 2009.06.17 22:56:00 - [20] the second one is alright and pretty fair taking into account whom it was written by. the firts one however is a pile a nonsense. ___ Fear the french touch.

Garott Minmatar Balls Deep Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.17 23:03:00 - [21] We can only hope now Goonswarm can STFU on caod and the giant nap trains reset. cough
Kaaii Caldari KaaiiNet Holding Executor Corp	Posted - 2009.06.17 23:03:00 - [22] Originally by: Machine Delta Originally by: Jim Linger It's a bit bias Victors get to write history. Oh well can you ask Hogarth to post? According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
Kilostream Caldari Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.17 23:07:00 - [23] Originally by: Kaaii ..Oh well can you ask Hogarth to post?.. Hogarth Awooga?
Scatim Helicon Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.17 23:27:00 - [24] Originally by: Kaaii Oh well can you ask Hogarth to post? Hogarth was a painter not a poster.
Orree Gallente Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.06.17 23:27:00 - [25] Originally by: Fire Hawk the second one is alright and pretty fair taking into account whom it was written by. the firts one however is a pile a nonsense. Care to detail in what way(s) it's "a pile of nonsense?" I think many of us would love to hear your point of view. To Mittens: Nice read as always. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.06.17 23:40:00 - [26] Originally by: Val Streth Originally by: Rawr Cristina pretty cool imo Hi baby, where you been? I miss you. hi hun I am back home now in skankron, it is not as nice as delve it rains every day and the people are just SO rude. maybe when I get time off I'll go back sometime and we can have fun again <3 - Contagious -
Montasque Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.17 23:49:00 - [27] Originally by: Fire Hawk the second one is alright and pretty fair taking into account whom it was written by. the firts one however is a pile a nonsense. I actually much prefer the first one as far as writing and story telling goes. Also it has an inherent bias but he gets the facts right so I dont understand your criticism.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.06.17 23:52:00 - [28] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 17/06/2009 23:53:14 Originally by: Hasan Rachid nice read, would be nice to have a response in a similar vein from Kenny I too am looking forward to hearing from SirMolle after his "Silence" post. Originally by: Garott We can only hope now Goonswarm can STFU on caod and the giant nap trains reset. cough Would that include the original giant nap train, the GBC. I didn't think so.
Silc'n Caldari Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.17 23:57:00 - [29] Sums it up quite nicely. I will probably never meet the anonymous goons that did all the logistics work but I just want to say thank you. For every POS you set up, for every module you anchored, for every stront bay you timed correctly, for every jump bridge you fueled - THANK YOU. You guys and gals did a great job... Your leaders should be very proud of you, seriously, because this time you showed dedication and didn't get distracted my something shiny :P Goonies o> (more hugs and kisses to my greek goon friends :))
DasDizzy Gallente Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.06.18 00:49:00 - [30] first page in an epic thread [SIG START] Everything i say is the view of the rest of the eve cluster, IM THE PRESSDUDE FFS

MetalZero Minmatar Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.18 02:07:00 - [31] Edited by: MetalZero on 18/06/2009 02:08:09 Originally by: Silc'n Sums it up quite nicely. I will probably never meet the anonymous goons that did all the logistics work but I just want to say thank you. For every POS you set up, for every module you anchored, for every stront bay you timed correctly, for every jump bridge you fueled - THANK YOU. You guys and gals did a great job... Your leaders should be very proud of you ........... ..... Signed !!! You "logistics-guys" are the heroes of this story. En su nombre SALUD !
Cordele Gallente Gemini Technologies Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.06.18 02:14:00 - [32] Originally by: Montasque I actually much prefer the first one as far as writing and story telling goes. Also it has an inherent bias but he gets the facts right so I dont understand your criticism. A few of the facts are wrong. KenZoku was never a pet, and Delve doesn't have the highest income potential of any region. At the time of the invasion, it was equal third with Esoteria, behind Deklein and Fountain. The market has changed since then and Delve is now equal second, but Fountain is still by far the most lucrative region for moon income. Also, the article claims that several titans were confirmed to have been destroyed in the CSAAs, whilst in fact what was actually destroyed is disputed. There are several other claims dubiously asserted as facts, but they're either debatable or unverifiable.
Etho Demerzel Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone	Posted - 2009.06.18 02:50:00 - [33] Originally by: Cordele Originally by: Montasque I actually much prefer the first one as far as writing and story telling goes. Also it has an inherent bias but he gets the facts right so I dont understand your criticism. A few of the facts are wrong. KenZoku was never a pet, and Delve doesn't have the highest income potential of any region. At the time of the invasion, it was equal third with Esoteria, behind Deklein and Fountain. The market has changed since then and Delve is now equal second, but Fountain is still by far the most lucrative region for moon income. Also, the article claims that several titans were confirmed to have been destroyed in the CSAAs, whilst in fact what was actually destroyed is disputed. There are several other claims dubiously asserted as facts, but they're either debatable or unverifiable. Although BoB's competence is not exactly great I doubt even them would be stupid enough not to build as many titans as they could. No 0.0 Alliance keeps its CSAAs idle. It is stupid given the time it takes to build titans and the importance of those ships nowadays. So either BoB was extremelly incompetent and used their CSAA for nothing or for useless motherships, or at least some of them had titans building. Now about Delve, it is the best region in the galaxy, considering moons, broken true secs and easiness to explore and defend them.
Cordele Gallente Gemini Technologies Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.06.18 03:27:00 - [34] Originally by: Etho Demerzel Now about Delve, it is the best region in the galaxy, considering moons, broken true secs and easiness to explore and defend them. What the best region in EVE is, and what criteria should be used to decide that, is debatable. The article however claims that Delve has the highest income potential of any region, which anyone with an accurate moon map can tell is false. As to the CSAAs; only the people with direct access to them at the time they were attacked would have known what they were actually building. Everything else is speculation. There was a thread on the leaked Director Forums that was supposed to give some indication of what supercaps were under construction, but it was worded unclearly and was allegedly misinterpreted. What was really destroyed in the CSAAs we may never know, but unlike the article suggests, there was never any confirmation that it was several titans, and that claim was disputed.
Stevens Caldari Baptism oF Fire Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.06.18 03:58:00 - [35] Originally by: Cordele What the best region in EVE is, and what criteria should be used to decide that, is debatable. The article however claims that Delve has the highest income potential of any region, which anyone with an accurate moon map can tell is false. I'm glad you say we can debate what makes a region the most valuable and then say we are wrong for not using your criteria. Moon income isn't the only thing that makes the region worth a lot. The broken truesec and officer spawns help quite a bit to your average goon.
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.18 04:02:00 - [36] npc space, broken truesec, moon income, 20 outposts ready-made (we built more) with a sov4->sov4 unsiegable bridge net i don't know if heretic nation holds any space anywhere so i'm not surprised you're missing this vOv
Cordele Gallente Gemini Technologies Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.06.18 04:37:00 - [37] Originally by: Stevens I'm glad you say we can debate what makes a region the most valuable and then say we are wrong for not using your criteria. Moon income isn't the only thing that makes the region worth a lot. The broken truesec and officer spawns help quite a bit to your average goon. It's pretty clear the article is referring to alliance-level income in the context of funding a war, which means moons, unless Mittani would like to correct that. Even if it is not supposed to refer to moons, Delve is not the only region in the game with "broken" true sec, and it isn't the best for member-level income either. I didn't give any criteria for what makes a region the best overall (that is a different question), so I didn't say anyone was wrong for not using them. The article makes a factually inaccurate statement specifically about which region has the highest income potential, not which is best for other reasons. Originally by: The Mittani npc space, broken truesec, moon income, 20 outposts ready-made Is the article referring to one of those in particular, or all of them? In either case, Delve does not have highest income potential of any region by those criteria.
Sun Ra Minmatar Culture Breach	Posted - 2009.06.18 10:06:00 - [38] Quote: First, there was the Great Northern War. It was a bitter conflict, but this was 2004; not many people played EVE. Stopped reading there, newb Grats RZR only too you 5 years to get revenge
marxist revolutionary Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.18 10:12:00 - [39] Edited by: marxist revolutionary on 18/06/2009 10:13:06 those articles were kind of dry
Vile rat Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.18 11:57:00 - [40] Originally by: Cordele Originally by: Montasque I actually much prefer the first one as far as writing and story telling goes. Also it has an inherent bias but he gets the facts right so I dont understand your criticism. A few of the facts are wrong. KenZoku was never a pet, and Delve doesn't have the highest income potential of any region. At the time of the invasion, it was equal third with Esoteria, behind Deklein and Fountain. The market has changed since then and Delve is now equal second, but Fountain is still by far the most lucrative region for moon income. Also, the article claims that several titans were confirmed to have been destroyed in the CSAAs, whilst in fact what was actually destroyed is disputed. There are several other claims dubiously asserted as facts, but they're either debatable or unverifiable. I dispute everything you said but much like you I'm chosing not to back up any of my claims.

Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.06.18 12:06:00 - [41] Originally by: Cordele A few of the facts are wrong. KenZoku was never a pet kenzoku - (n) family / dependents / household http://www.freedict.com/onldict/jap.html KenZoku MEANS 'pet'; it was obviously the 'official' alt/pet alliance as evidenced by the anime (is cartoons) name and the RKZ ticker (RKK -> RKZ, not much of a leap there is it?). What are you on about?
WrathOfOprah Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.18 13:17:00 - [42] Originally by: Cordele Is the article referring to one of those in particular, or all of them? In either case, Delve does not have highest income potential of any region by those criteria. Yes it does.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.06.18 15:05:00 - [43] Originally by: WrathOfOprah Originally by: Cordele Is the article referring to one of those in particular, or all of them? In either case, Delve does not have highest income potential of any region by those criteria. Yes it does. never seen an officer spawn 'cept when I went to Delve, where we got 5 in the same system in the space of 3 weeks I mean what the hell - Contagious -
von Goethe Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.18 15:21:00 - [44] And rats melt like butter. I suppose the tradeoff was supposed to be that they can nos, but when even cruisers are CCC'd, it's laughable.
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.18 15:23:00 - [45] yeah i kind of always wondered why the bob people were talking about how easy it is to make money ratting but then we had angels going from angels to bloods gives you rat whiplash
Kearl Gallente Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.06.18 15:28:00 - [46] Excellent write up.. I thought the battle for i1y was a turning point and the jump bug played heavily into our favor when -A- went to save their 64's. Still like stated victor gets to write the history..
Montasque Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.18 15:28:00 - [47] I was ratting Sansha's when I had the chance, and their not AS good as bloods but pretty damn close. Any way Angel's are the worst rats, and where Kengoku is most likely going their going to learn this first hand.
Orree Gallente Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.06.18 17:41:00 - [48] Spent much time on Guristas? Even mission runners agree they are pretty much the worst...I think followed closely by the Serpentis. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Montasque Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.18 17:51:00 - [49] Edited by: Montasque on 18/06/2009 17:51:58 Edited by: Montasque on 18/06/2009 17:51:23 Originally by: Orree Spent much time on Guristas? Even mission runners agree they are pretty much the worst...I think followed closely by the Serpentis. Nah, Angels are the worst. Crap loot, hard to kill, and lots of kiting. Seriously, you have to omni tank them because they are capable of doing all damage types, they're just awful. I hope KenGoKu enjoys them as much as I did.
Sentinel Eeex Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.18 22:28:00 - [50] Originally by: Cordele What the best region in EVE is, and what criteria should be used to decide that, is debatable. The article however claims that Delve has the highest income potential of any region, which anyone with an accurate moon map can tell is false. Jesus christ, you are really dumb.

RedSplat Caldari Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.06.18 23:07:00 - [51] The Glorious Nation lives in Lowsec and has no designs on ~~POS Borefare~~ owning space. Anyway, good reads again. Now what the hell are you going to write about next, its about time you changed subject matter. (Piracy; its roots evoloution and current state, future aspirations? Go on) Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Orree Gallente Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.06.18 23:10:00 - [52] Originally by: Montasque Edited by: Montasque on 18/06/2009 17:51:58 Edited by: Montasque on 18/06/2009 17:51:23 Originally by: Orree Spent much time on Guristas? Even mission runners agree they are pretty much the worst...I think followed closely by the Serpentis. Nah, Angels are the worst. Crap loot, hard to kill, and lots of kiting. Seriously, you have to omni tank them because they are capable of doing all damage types, they're just awful. I hope KenGoKu enjoys them as much as I did. Crap loot might actually be fairly universal. Crap salvage isn't. Gurista's salvage is pretty much the worst. Point taken about the need for an omnitank, but then again..rats aren't tough no matter the type. The difference (for me) tends to be the annoyance factor of their "EWAR." ...is any more annoying than being perma-jammed by Guristas? Serpentis comes close with the sensor damping...but at least most of their rats like to MWD right up to you (aiding in ease of salvage and looting). Being perma-jammed by Guristas is as bad as being perma-jammed in PVP. It just crushes your soul, man...lol. (I know...look at the big bear...) Sorry for the off-topic-ness, btw. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.19 05:05:00 - [53] i think i'm going to have a 'best of the best chat****' article and then who knows, someone will do something stupid that's worth mocking (daira lir springs to mind) that i can wring a column out of
Xenon Barinade Caldari The Green Machine Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.06.19 05:14:00 - [54] Originally by: The Mittani i think i'm going to have a 'best of the best chat****' article and then who knows, someone will do something stupid that's worth mocking (daira lir springs to mind) that i can wring a column out of hehe you should make a few hundred CAOD threads about it, doing nothing put c+p crap.
Cordele Gallente Gemini Technologies Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.06.19 05:40:00 - [55] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Cordele A few of the facts are wrong. KenZoku was never a pet kenzoku - (n) family / dependents / household http://www.freedict.com/onldict/jap.html KenZoku MEANS 'pet'; it was obviously the 'official' alt/pet alliance as evidenced by the anime (is cartoons) name and the RKZ ticker (RKK -> RKZ, not much of a leap there is it?). What are you on about? KenZoku was originally set up by Reikoku for their own alt corps, not independent renters or pets. According to them the name is supposed to mean "Tribal", which I guess was a reference to the old BoB logo. Originally by: WrathOfOprah Originally by: Cordele Is the article referring to one of those in particular, or all of them? In either case, Delve does not have highest income potential of any region by those criteria. Yes it does. Delve is one of the best regions for personal income, but there are other good regions for that, and whether Delve is the best of them isn't a straightforward question. It is not a clear uncontested winner. In terms of corp income from taxes on bounties, Delve is no different from any other region with good true sec or nearby NPC sovereignty. The drone regions are probably better for income from refinery outposts. In terms of alliance income from moons, Delve is about equal to Esoteria, easily beaten by Fountain (more dyspro and promethium), and usually worse than Deklein (more dyspro but less promethium). Originally by: Sentinel Eeex Jesus christ, you are really dumb. I guess if he were here to respond he'd turn the other cheek. Christ is usually capitalised, by the way.
Xenon Barinade Caldari The Green Machine Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.06.19 06:13:00 - [56] Typical for blisters to grow, eventually they will pop,.. looks like a certain yellow one is ripe to explode.
Sadrinna Minmatar Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.19 08:24:00 - [57] Very nice writeup Mittani! Grats! Kept me hooked for an hour reading both :) Also gave me a chance to read about RoyofCA. I had seen the station name but i never gave it any thought. Very nice story, very touching too, he will surely be missed ps: the memorial picture with the little bee made me shed a tear
Captain Corbulo Minmatar Master Miners	Posted - 2009.06.19 09:41:00 - [58] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Would that include the original giant nap train, the GBC. I didn't think so. looking at what i know from eve history, i believe your wrong there, The cookies, cake and pie alliance (CCCP), later known as Band of Brothers (after they got renamed by CCP), was originaly founded to fight against the Northern Naptrain - so i believe its wrong to call them the "original giant nap train" Also the numbers of goonswarm alone equal the numbers that the GBC had - together with all the allies (northern coalition, you PL guys, etc) they where clearly outnumbered. Bobs problem was that in the end they had made more enemies then they could handle anyways, i believe delve war II is over, and i can not wait to see what happens next, now that goons are the ones controlling eve.
King Dead Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.19 10:05:00 - [59] Originally by: Captain Corbulo now that goons are the ones controlling eve. We control your game.
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.19 12:08:00 - [60] Originally by: Cordele KenZoku was originally set up by Reikoku for their own alt corps, not independent renters or pets. According to them the name is supposed to mean "Tribal", which I guess was a reference to the old BoB logo. oh wow dianabolic posts from right after the disbanding i see that your citation selection is as reliable as your analysis of the value of regions~

Cordele Gallente Gemini Technologies Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.06.19 13:48:00 - [61] Originally by: The Mittani oh wow dianabolic posts from right after the disbanding i see that your citation selection is as reliable as your analysis of the value of regions~ The person who created the alliance seems like a pretty reliable source on this subject, unless you're implying he had some reason to lie about it and Relentless Industries and Relentless Constructions were in fact not Reikoku alt corps. As to my analysis of the value of regions, are you actually denying that Delve isn't the region with the highest moon income? You could prevaricate about ratting and true sec, but you described R64s as the foundation of an alliance economy in the same column the claim that Delve has the highest income potential of any region appears in.
Kublaii Khanid Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.19 14:03:00 - [62] Originally by: Cordele Originally by: The Mittani oh wow dianabolic posts from right after the disbanding i see that your citation selection is as reliable as your analysis of the value of regions~ The person who created the alliance seems like a pretty reliable source on this subject, unless you're implying he had some reason to lie about it and Relentless Industries and Relentless Constructions were in fact not Reikoku alt corps. As to my analysis of the value of regions, are you actually denying that Delve isn't the region with the highest moon income? You could prevaricate about ratting and true sec, but you described R64s as the foundation of an alliance economy in the same column the claim that Delve has the highest income potential of any region appears in. how does "the highest income potential" mean "the region with the most r64s" for your inevitable response playing semantics, how does "foundation of economy" mean "entirety of economy" holy **** man its not that difficult
Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.06.19 14:47:00 - [63] Originally by: Cordele KenZoku was originally set up by Reikoku for their own alt corps, not independent renters or pets. That's pretty much what I said... official alt/pet alliance. Originally by: Cordele According to them the name is supposed to mean "Tribal", which I guess was a reference to the old BoB logo. lol "according to them" Sorry bro, Kenny doesn't get to decide what words do or don't mean... they mean what they mean. "You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
Cordele Gallente Gemini Technologies Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.06.19 15:07:00 - [64] Originally by: Havohej That's pretty much what I said... official alt/pet alliance. Alts are not the same thing as pets, which if you look closely at the thread was the same point they were responding to. Originally by: Havohej lol "according to them" Sorry bro, Kenny doesn't get to decide what words do or don't mean... they mean what they mean. Indeed, however your argument was that they intended it to mean "pet", which they clearly didn't.
Agmar Caldari Reikoku KenZoku	Posted - 2009.06.19 15:12:00 - [65] History is written by the victors, and I'm glad you like writing more than I do. lololololol o/ _____________________ Threat Level Midnight
Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.06.19 15:36:00 - [66] Originally by: Cordele Indeed, however your argument was that they intended it to mean "pet", which they clearly didn't. Nope, my argument was that the word means "dependants" - "pets". Your argument was that "they didn't mean it that way."
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.19 15:45:00 - [67] Originally by: Agmar History is written by the victors, and I'm glad you like writing more than I do. lololololol o/ sup man fly safe~~~~~~~~
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.19 15:46:00 - [68] Originally by: Cordele The person who created the alliance seems like a pretty reliable source on this subject, unless you're implying he had some reason to lie about it dianabolic? look guys that sabre bpo was completely legit and no one knew he was a dev i swear I SWEAR and look its ok to talk to your friends on MSN why is everyone mad at us :(
Kilostream Caldari Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.19 16:03:00 - [69] Originally by: Kublaii Khanid ....for your inevitable response playing semantics, how does "foundation of economy" mean "entirety of economy" holy **** man its not that difficult Not difficult, but it doesn't suit his argument so shhhhhh.
Cordele Gallente Gemini Technologies Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.06.19 16:23:00 - [70] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Cordele Indeed, however your argument was that they intended it to mean "pet", which they clearly didn't. Nope, my argument was that the word means "dependants" - "pets". Your argument was that "they didn't mean it that way." Originally by: Havohej KenZoku MEANS 'pet'; it was obviously the 'official' alt/pet alliance as evidenced by the anime (is cartoons) name You thought they deliberately chose a name meaning dependents to signify an official pet alliance. They didn't, and it wasn't. Originally by: The Mittani dianabolic? look guys that sabre bpo was completely legit and no one knew he was a dev i swear I SWEAR and look its ok to talk to your friends on MSN why is everyone mad at us :( Yes, he's never told the truth in his life, things which he has no conceivable reason to lie about included. You deserve a lot of credit for what you and your alliance have achieved over the past few years, but you're beginning to show signs of ressentiment. You got what you wanted, you can let go of the paranoid hatred.

Technically Harmless Caldari ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.06.19 16:41:00 - [71] Originally by: Cordele A few of the facts are wrong. KenZoku was never a pet, and Delve doesn't have the highest income potential of any region. At the time of the invasion, it was equal third with Esoteria, behind Deklein and Fountain. The market has changed since then and Delve is now equal second, but Fountain is still by far the most lucrative region for moon income. Also, the article claims that several titans were confirmed to have been destroyed in the CSAAs, whilst in fact what was actually destroyed is disputed. There are several other claims dubiously asserted as facts, but they're either debatable or unverifiable. Coming from the Great Null-Sec Space-Holding alliance you're part of, I am sure that Mittens feels severly chastised. On a side note Deklein's worthless, that's why we frenchies (I'm sorry "Freedom Fries") are there. You forgot to mention that all coalition forces are made up of worthless newbs and no-life's who can't possibly compete with the incredible Uber PvP e-peen of people like you. Kenny and Barbie really kicked our worthless rear-ends, didn't they. Keep on feeling relevant honey-buns
marxist revolutionary Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.19 17:26:00 - [72] Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Cordele KenZoku was originally set up by Reikoku for their own alt corps, not independent renters or pets. According to them the name is supposed to mean "Tribal", which I guess was a reference to the old BoB logo. oh wow dianabolic posts from right after the disbanding i see that your citation selection is as reliable as your analysis of the value of regions~ why you spergin out about something as minor as kenzoku being an alt corp and not a renter
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.19 17:42:00 - [73] i like to make dianabolic jokes vOv
Agmar Caldari Reikoku KenZoku	Posted - 2009.06.19 18:16:00 - [74] Originally by: The Mittani sup man fly safe~~~~~~~~ sup? Hit me up if you need sumthn else to read on da Orange Line yo...
SMB's TheJoker Gallente Seven.	Posted - 2009.06.20 14:05:00 - [75] Heard alot about certain bob forum dumps being loaded on-line for all to see. Couldn't find any link though. Lotsa reference though. Anyone got a linky? thx
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.06.20 19:06:00 - [76] Quote: 'cept when I went to Delve, where we got 5 in the same system in the space of 3 weeks <3 Delve I wonder if it gets fixed now when bob doesn't hold it anymore
Stevens Caldari Baptism oF Fire Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.06.21 00:22:00 - [77] Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn <3 Delve I wonder if it gets fixed now when bob doesn't hold it anymore I'd bet on it.
Itzena Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.21 13:03:00 - [78] Originally by: SMB's TheJoker Heard alot about certain bob forum dumps being loaded on-line for all to see. Couldn't find any link though. Lotsa reference though. Anyone got a linky? thx Go to the forums that CCP doesn't like people talking about (because they banned the owner for sparking the whole t20 thing).
SMB's TheJoker Gallente Seven.	Posted - 2009.06.21 15:13:00 - [79] Originally by: Itzena Originally by: SMB's TheJoker Heard alot about certain bob forum dumps being loaded on-line for all to see. Couldn't find any link though. Lotsa reference though. Anyone got a linky? thx Go to the forums that CCP doesn't like people talking about (because they banned the owner for sparking the whole t20 thing). Right, that guy (wink wink) - thx m8
Iron Jaw Caldari Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.06.21 18:15:00 - [80] Good Read Mittani, part one was a nice trip down memory lane. i laughed at this bit too "In July 2006 (amidst various other wars) BoB invaded Syndicate. For two weeks they camped a corporation of 500 newbies from an internet comedy forum into the stations of S-U8A4. Boring easily, BoB declared victory and left" Slightly more complicated than that, but still funny :)

SMB's TheJoker Gallente Seven.	Posted - 2009.06.21 19:26:00 - [81] Roflol - just finished reading the bob forum dumps. I never thought it possible but it seems my respect or lack of it sank even lower for those over sized macho's. Mittani - I may not like goons but I love your style. I dont believe in the truth neather. To quote someone: truth is in the eye of the beholder, everyone has their version of it. I just hope goons dont become the new bob/kenny
Lunas Feelgood Gallente S.A.S Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.06.21 19:57:00 - [82] Originally by: SMB's TheJoker Roflol - just finished reading the bob forum dumps. I never thought it possible but it seems my respect or lack of it sank even lower for those over sized macho's. Mittani - I may not like goons but I love your style. I dont believe in the truth neather. To quote someone: truth is in the eye of the beholder, everyone has their version of it. I just hope goons dont become the new bob/kenny here is a fact about the core leadership of bob.. They never were any good only problem they were to stupide to realise it and its one of the reason they lost so badly instead of finding out how they could do better they just blamed it on some1 els. may it be pets allies. hostile lag "naptrain" etc they allways had an excuse instead of blaming it on there own incompetence.. Bob never wanted a good fight they wanted to win. that was the essence of bob.. Take FA alliance how did bob beat those back in the day? they had to get a spie to offline there towers etc.. The list goes and on every little dirty metagamign trick they could come up with they used. Also the hole "Naptrain" was actually started by BOB.. G was starting to become to good and trust was building them supercapitals. Bob knew they woulnt have a chance in hell going 1v1 with G so they pulled the hole south ASCN 5 etc you name it they were all there..That little insident change things an the era of huge powerblocks was created.. Lucky for us we got Goons that saw true all there bull** using tech 1 frigs and showed EVE what a paper tiger bob really was. Lets be frank the last year there pets was more orginised and "skilled" then bob. basically when they didnt have a spi listen in on the other guys TS the bob FC was absolutly **.. only good corp in bob was DICE but i really dont consider them bob rest was and allways will be absolutly incompetent
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.22 12:56:00 - [83] i think that the publication of various full forum archives of bob and member corps will at last put to rest any illusions of their 'superiority' in eve i've read a lot of forums, bob is the worst in terms of repressing dissent and refusing to accept criticism. they hired mostly pets as recruits, and their primary hiring criteria was a combination of sycophancy and kb stats, so even in the face of massive, obvious failure 90% of their posts amount to "molle knows best and this is wonderful!" the few who don't sing hosannas get booted out of the alliance, a la yaay just the other day by contrast, in goonfleet even the tiniest failure brings hordes of goons pointing and laughing at the fc, the directorate, or other goons, especially for a big obvious welp (don't warp a frig blob to a planet rather than a pos, guys) so everyone learns what not to do anyway it's just a little pathetic reading their forums and it's full of 'evolution this' and 'darwin that' when they can't handle the criticism which would be needed to actually improve
Zumbala Gallente ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.06.22 13:16:00 - [84] Originally by: The Mittani i think that the publication of various full forum archives of bob and member corps will at last put to rest any illusions of their 'superiority' in eve i've read a lot of forums, bob is the worst in terms of repressing dissent and refusing to accept criticism. they hired mostly pets as recruits, and their primary hiring criteria was a combination of sycophancy and kb stats, so even in the face of massive, obvious failure 90% of their posts amount to "molle knows best and this is wonderful!" the few who don't sing hosannas get booted out of the alliance, a la yaay just the other day by contrast, in goonfleet even the tiniest failure brings hordes of goons pointing and laughing at the fc, the directorate, or other goons, especially for a big obvious welp (don't warp a frig blob to a planet rather than a pos, guys) so everyone learns what not to do anyway it's just a little pathetic reading their forums and it's full of 'evolution this' and 'darwin that' when they can't handle the criticism which would be needed to actually improve They cannot evolve. The whole BoB idea is based on being an elit. These guys truly beleive they are the best. So of course, they were never, and never will, be able to improve since in order to do that, they would have to understand their own mistakes. On their forum, they spend their time avoiding this by looking for someone to blame for the failure, if possible outside of their alliance. The whole concept is fail. They should rather disband for good, and try to build up something new, from my point of view.


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