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rodensteiner
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Posted - 2009.06.22 15:41:00 -
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Just how much more secure do you want hi-sec to be???
If you had your ship destroyed in hi-sec, and the offender was not instantly dismembered by CONCORD, then you must have done something to make yourself a target, such as looting other people's wrecks or cans.
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Uronksur Suth
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.06.22 20:13:00 -
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hmmm, a .pdf manual would be nice
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Dai Lao
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Posted - 2009.06.25 12:59:00 -
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I did a search of several pirate kill boards. The Magnate was destroyed by a Battleship and a Heavy Assault ship. Might explain why they weren't destroyed, and "appeared" to not have been attacked by Concord. |
Ausser
Cybertech Industrials Agency
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Posted - 2009.06.25 13:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ausser on 25/06/2009 13:12:49
Originally by: Uronksur Suth hmmm, a .pdf manual would be nice
This cannot be done.
EVE evolves. EVE's game design has allways been work in progress, and this never will change.
To maintain a printed/pdf version manual you would need lots of ppl but they never would be able to finish it.
That's why we have got the EVE wiki.
Browse arround there. And finally, if you think something important is missing... then contribute.
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Dai Lao
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Posted - 2009.06.25 21:48:00 -
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A simple manual explaining things like, what the different classes of ships are, what types of weapons and modulars there are, what races prefer what kinds of weapons or tanking or tactics, and what skill are for/do, are basic things that took me several characters to discover, and that don't change. All of which could be very useful to a n00b.
As would be certificates that had labels like Pirate, Miner, Bounty Hunter, that would guide n00b's on a path to a profession.
As to the Eve wiki... Many items I've search for on Eve's own wiki I've never found, or I was directed to Eve's forums to search for them. I ended up doing a search for a really useful Eve wiki... I eventually found one that gives side-by-side data of ships, modules, weapons, and mission walk throughs.
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Uronksur Suth
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.06.25 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ausser Edited by: Ausser on 25/06/2009 13:12:49
Originally by: Uronksur Suth hmmm, a .pdf manual would be nice
This cannot be done.
EVE evolves. EVE's game design has allways been work in progress, and this never will change.
To maintain a printed/pdf version manual you would need lots of ppl but they never would be able to finish it.
That's why we have got the EVE wiki.
Browse arround there. And finally, if you think something important is missing... then contribute.
True, but there are some things that are pretty basic. The differences between Frigate and Cruisers, the role of Destroyers, how Drones Work.
explaining the fact that in EVE, asteroid belts ARE mined out! (the number of times I saw questions about a lack of asteroids in high sec was just ridiculous)
Give some tips on finding a good fit corp. And why forming your own corp just because you've trained Corporation Management I is a bad idea.
It could explain why going into 0.0 your first day in EVE would be a mistake. |
RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.06.25 22:48:00 -
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EVE is not 100% safe anywhere and nor should it ever be.
Incidentally, do you know what starter systems are? Dont push for safer Highsec.
A manual would require a dedicated team of Dev's just to keep to updated with every patch- but i agree documentation is terrible.
That said: the Wiki is great, has lots of potential.
I hate the very idea of your 'mayday'
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Dai Lao
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Posted - 2009.06.25 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat Incidentally, do you know what starter systems are?
Sorry, no... I don't have a manual that describes them. |
ThaDollaGenerale
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.26 03:57:00 -
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Quote: it's setup for pirating, back-stabbing, and being as evil as you can be.
Ah, working as intended. Move along.
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Brackman
Ex-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.06.26 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dai Lao I did a search of several pirate kill boards. The Magnate was destroyed by a Battleship and a Heavy Assault ship. Might explain why they weren't destroyed, and "appeared" to not have been attacked by Concord.
After seeing this, I decided to do a quick search to find your lost little Magnate, because I wanted to see what sort of ships and/or pilots could survive Concord . It turns out you were in 0.4 when you lost the ship, which is lowsec, so no, they didn't just appear to not have been attacked by Concord because there was no Concord response to begin with (unless they jumped into highsec ).
I'm also going to assume you thought you were killed in highsec and pulled the following numbers out of your ass because of this:
Originally by: Dai Lao It's not 50% safe anywhere. I'd settle for 25%, heck, 1% SOMEWHERE outside a station would be nice.
You can reach close to perfect security in highsec as long as you don't touch containers/wrecks that belong to someone else or shoot thieves. Being in a player corp lowers this a bit because of potential wars, but that shouldn't stop you from joining a corporation.
Originally by: Dai Lao After six years... It "has lots of potential." Never saw a wiki only have "potential" after six years.
The Wiki was launched in late 2008 as far as I know...
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Avatoin
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Posted - 2009.06.26 04:12:00 -
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Edited by: Avatoin on 26/06/2009 04:14:29 I do think that high security stargate guards should act immediately towards aggression rather than just sitting there with their popcorn waiting for concord to act. Doesn't make sense that the local authoritize would act along side Concord.
It would be nice if the game did have a manual at least explaining certain things that probably aren't going to change anytime soon like, the basics in PVP and differences between the races (or a little more information in the choose a character screen) |
Dai Lao
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Posted - 2009.06.26 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Brackman
After seeing this, I decided to do a quick search to find your lost little Magnate, because I wanted to see what sort of ships and/or pilots could survive Concord . It turns out you were in 0.4 when you lost the ship, which is lowsec, so no, they didn't just appear to not have been attacked by Concord because there was no Concord response to begin with (unless they jumped into highsec ).
All I can say is that I thought I was in 0.5 space, I must have misread it, I HAD just started at that point.
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Vaneshi SnowCrash
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:05:00 -
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Speaking as someone who hangs around their starter corp to help new players.
Fix the NPE. As I detailed in my thread "Making Mischief", the NPE covers very little of what seperates EVE from other MMO's nor does it explicitly explain what an MMO means. Basically, ninja's, can flippery and such need to be covered. I'd suggest probing needs to be in there as well as it's become a major part of the game.
However in the same breath I must also state that a lot of us in FNA are begging people to do the damn tutorials because they're asking the same damn question time and time again. Why are they asking in FNA corp chat and not Rookie chat?
Because it's a complete and utter wall of noise. It needs more GM and ISD love (if they are not avaliable it needs devs in there: you built it, you get to play with it), booting out the spam bots and actually answering questions. Hell seperate it out so each of the four races have their own rookie chat because as it stands any answer given can be so vauge as to be useless.
Fix the bugs and incomplete components of the game. From COSMOS through to Factional Warfare, it all needs fixing and completing to some degree. It puts people off the game when they run in to a brick wall. A real example of this is in the NPE: A trial account is given a copy of racial industrials and a level 1 hauler... utterly useless because a trial account can't train the skill to fly it.
Insult-o-ALTS. Yeah I know, you've got a new account or made a new character and you've landed in FNA. Fine, if we're just chatting start throwing the insults, we'll return the favour and block you. But if we're actually helping people take a dose of STFU, yes we know the ship fitting we've just handed out is rubbish; guess what? The person we're giving it too can't run anything better... yet. Same for giving out HAC fits to someone who can bearly fly a T1 cruiser. Or running them down for dearing to use T1 guns. You are giving a bad impression to people who don't know any better yet. To steal a 4chan meme: You're the cancer killing EVE.
Rejoinable starter corps. I can not state this sufficiently. Time and time again people ask how they join a player corp. We tell them. They ask where they can find a player corp. We tell them. They ask if they can come back should it not work out. We tell them. They don't leave, because their new friends are in the starter corp, they get bored, they go away. A simple rejoin option would solve this. People are already hiding from wardec's by dropping to the secondary catchall NPC corps anyway.
Spam. It needs to be killed off. Yes, I have even seen a new player comment he'd had the same torrent of adverts in WoW and he'd come here to escape them. I fully understand the mentality of "it will drive people out of the starter corps", it won't, it drives them to the cancel button.
Forums. It needs tarting up, it needs to work and it needs to be generally less hostile. Sorry to disapoint but it isn't what most people go for when they're looking for a new money sink. |
Dai Lao
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Posted - 2009.06.26 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Vaneshi SnowCrash
Forums. It needs tarting up, it needs to work and it needs to be generally less hostile. Sorry to disapoint but it isn't what most people go for when they're looking for a new money sink.
BINGO!
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