| Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Deryk Blacke
Minmatar
VirDan Industries
   |
Posted - 2009.06.18 22:23:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Blastrodamus
i understand that the eve universe is harsh, and people want to change that. i argue against all that because the harshness is what draws me and lots of other people to this game.
It is not about wanting to change it from being harsh.
I would rather have no cans, wrecks, or the like show ownership - as long as it was consistent.
The inconsistency and the failed logic is what bothers me here.
It is just one of those little pet peeves, I guess - things should be consistent or there is a bug one way or the other. Either they should not flag ownership or people should flag for salvaging an item with ownership. It really is that simple. |
Freya Marada
|
Posted - 2009.06.18 22:39:00 -
[32]
Edited by: Freya Marada on 18/06/2009 22:44:07
Originally by: Deryk Blacke
It is just one of those little pet peeves, I guess - things should be consistent or there is a bug one way or the other. Either they should not flag ownership or people should flag for salvaging an item with ownership. It really is that simple.
I guess CONCORD should work in 0.0 as well or nowhere. And then lets eliminate any variances in gameplay, who needs different ships and modules? Things should be consistent!
Imho things are consistent. There is no salvage unless someone salvages a wreck and since a wreck doesn't belong to anyone like rats don't belong to anyone the owner of the "loot" is determined by the act of salvaging / killing. |
Deryk Blacke
Minmatar
VirDan Industries
|
Posted - 2009.06.18 22:43:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Freya Marada
Originally by: Deryk Blacke
It is just one of those little pet peeves, I guess - things should be consistent or there is a bug one way or the other. Either they should not flag ownership or people should flag for salvaging an item with ownership. It really is that simple.
I guess CONCORD should work in 0.0 as well or nowhere. And then lets eliminate any variances in gameplay, who needs different ships and modules? Things should be consistent!
Hrmmm, you need to train up your trolling skills.
There is a distinct difference between consistency and your rather pathetic failed attempt at sarcasm. |
PC1
|
Posted - 2009.06.18 22:46:00 -
[34]
Why, look at all the carebear salvagers trying to avoid getting PvP'd... |
Khalia Nestune
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
|
Posted - 2009.06.19 23:40:00 -
[35]
Fail arguments are fail.
You want to know why CCP leaves this as it is? Because they /want/ EVE to be a dangerous place, with player-vs-player interaction, even in "high security" space. They want to force you to have to deal with other players and not just play "Eve: Missions" which people have turned the game into.
High-sec ganking is still possible, despite CONCORD.
Can flipping is still possible, despite agro rights.
Salvaging wrecks is still possible, despite the cans -inside the wrecks- having different ownership (not the wrecks themselves which have no ownership*).
And that is why salvage rights will always stay as it is.
* - yes, even 'empty' wrecks. there is a can which is owned by the NPC killer, it just has nothing in it. |
4THELULZ
|
Posted - 2009.06.19 23:55:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Aucello
we would have kill rights on offending parties just as we do when they steal loot. Please reconsider your stance on this issue. There should be some risk for those who would steal.
Aucello
Oh please oh please let them do this.
Then I get to troll your inevitable "WAAAAAH EBIL PIWATES BLEW UP MY MISSION SHIP" thread a month or so down the line.
|
Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Corp 1 Allstars
|
Posted - 2009.06.20 00:03:00 -
[37]
You know, in real life, salvage goes to whoever is ballsy enough to dredge it up.
Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Traidor Disloyal
Private Nuisance
|
Posted - 2009.06.20 04:52:00 -
[38]
Originally by: PC1
Why, look at all the carebear salvagers trying to avoid getting PvP'd...
By all means, please do flag salvaging. Would make my life easier for those missions where there is no loot to steal. |
Ichiro Sanchas
|
Posted - 2009.06.20 06:10:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Deryk Blacke
Originally by: Blastrodamus
i understand that the eve universe is harsh, and people want to change that. i argue against all that because the harshness is what draws me and lots of other people to this game.
It is not about wanting to change it from being harsh.
I would rather have no cans, wrecks, or the like show ownership - as long as it was consistent.
I agree with both of these. Not only should wrecks continue to be non-owned, the loot inside them should be, too. The player/corp that killed the rat is entitled to the bounty, and that's all. If they want the loot, they need to get to the wreck first. If they want the salvage, they have to salvage the wreck first.
|
Ichiro Sanchas
|
Posted - 2009.06.20 06:17:00 -
[40]
P.S. Oh, and while I'm on the subject, how the hell does a tractor beam know or care who blew up a ship? Tractor beams should work on any wreck in its range.
|
Khalia Nestune
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
|
Posted - 2009.06.22 07:38:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Ichiro Sanchas
P.S. Oh, and while I'm on the subject, how the hell does a tractor beam know or care who blew up a ship? Tractor beams should work on any wreck in its range.
+1 fully agree.
|
Robert Caldera
|
Posted - 2009.06.22 10:48:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Aucello
Lately, I've been having to deal with several players that are too lazy to run their own missions, and they find it acceptable to come into my mission to steal my salvage. I seriously don't understand why CCP allows this.
blaaablaaaa
there is nothing to STEAL what is and was never YOURS.
Actually, not the salvage mechanics are broken but the loot mechanics.
Since you're pirating NPC ships in your mission there is no reason why the loot should be yours. It has to be changed to neutral (owned by NPC) like the salvage is.
If you dont like people taking the stuff you shot do your missions outside of big mission hubs. |
Stealnutz
Mean Angry Squirrels
|
Posted - 2009.06.22 12:06:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Grarr Dexx
You know, in real life, salvage goes to whoever is ballsy enough to dredge it up.
You know, In real life when I clone jump to get to work.. oh wait... |
Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
|
Posted - 2009.06.22 12:33:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 22/06/2009 12:33:32
Sheesh, people with no understanding of game concepts have existed at all times in EVE.
Did you know that in the "old" days people would whine about others mining from their asteroid?
----------------
Mr. Science & Trade Institute
|
Madkassen
|
Posted - 2009.06.22 16:53:00 -
[45]
I like to add my point of view to this subject.
Please flag people who 'steal' salvage from the killer of a wreck, similar as if they were to steal loot form a can.
The reason why this would make sense, those who want to **** people off and provoke a fight will get the proper flag for doing so.
As for the mission runner, they normally don't use a ship for PvP fitting to do missions. And even if they wanted to defend their wrecks they can't... at least in high security space. This simple reason just don't make any sense what so ever.
As I have seen the arguments flying back and forth here, and as I see it: If you want to do PvP wardeck a player or move to low sec or 0.0. There you can do all the PvP you want and leave the EvE casual players to their business. There is a reason to why there is a high sec and low sec space. In the state of the game mechanics works now, the salvage stealers are a thing that should be view as a exploit imho.
At least flagging them as criminals would give the wreck-owner a choice. Let it be or bring on the fight of property.
As for the salvage stealers, they gain a lot for the salvage stealing. They can access a lot more salvage than if they were unable to take on e.q. a lvl 4 mission themselves. As for the time spend for the training of skills. Well move to low sec and utilize your skill here instead go fight someone there are equal to you.
Ok CCP, go ahead and fix this, you know why now.
|
TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari
Black Wolves
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
|
Posted - 2009.06.22 18:11:00 -
[46]
Salvage is not yours, if its anyones its the NPCs who just get nailed.
CCP Actively promote ninja salvaging so unfortunately super-carebear as i shall call you, you are out of luck. Get used to it, just mission in a quiet place and you will find very little ninja salvagers. Case closed and done. I enjoy ninja salvaging as it makes carebears cry as seen in this thread and earns me some iskies at the same time.
_______________________
Fix rockets in '09 =( |
Jensen Blayloc
Minmatar
The Good old Days
|
Posted - 2009.06.22 18:40:00 -
[47]
Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing
Salvage is not yours, if its anyones its the NPCs who just get nailed.
CCP Actively promote ninja salvaging so unfortunately super-carebear as i shall call you, you are out of luck. Get used to it, just mission in a quiet place and you will find very little ninja salvagers. Case closed and done. I enjoy ninja salvaging as it makes carebears cry as seen in this thread and earns me some iskies at the same time.
This sort of irony is what makes my day.. Someone doing the most carebear thing possible (salvaging in highsec), arguing against getting aggression flagged for it, is calling someone else a carebear.. That is funny right there.. 
Wouldn't a PvPer like WANT to fight over this. Wouldn't it be beneficial to them to have an opportunity to fight legally in highsec with no sec hits? Who is the carebear? lol
I wouldn't want CCP to make it impossible to steal salvage, But I wouldn't mind if it was a flagging event. Then I would have an opportunity to defend my own stuff. I do consider it my stuff. Half the money from a mission or sometimes more, comes from this supposed trash. At least they should allow the missioner to claim the salvage or not, so if someone comes onto unclaimed salvage, it is free game, but if it is claimed salvage (salvage rights are not unreasonable) then they get flagged for stealing it, and if I catch you while you are flagged, we can see who the carebear is..
I really am not impressed with the "war dec" solution because as with most griefing, it is done by untraceable alts in newbie corps, with no way to exact revenge on the account owner. These strong men of honor who want the untimely death of all "carebears", but who at all costs avoid an actual fight.. Pretty funny.  |
Photus
Caldari
Roll For Initiative
|
Posted - 2009.06.22 18:45:00 -
[48]
Hmm, he does have a point.
When my mates and I are running a combined op, we occasionally get the rogue salvage ninja coming in. It used to be that everyone targeting him at once made him go away. Now, since it's general knowledge that we can't actually do anything they just sit there and salvage.
It would be nice to at least have the option to blast him out of the sky. If he comes back in something bigger, I'm game for a fight! |
Jensen Blayloc
Minmatar
The Good old Days
|
Posted - 2009.06.22 18:55:00 -
[49]
A side note- salvage rights if you could sell them, would make for a nice cottage industry, where dedicated salvaging companies could bid on salvage rights from missioners, and the missioner wouldn't lose out on all the money, but wouldn't have to clean it up either. Well organized salvagers could make a tidy profit.
|
Ere Colliseru
|
Posted - 2009.06.22 19:05:00 -
[50]
Quote:
I am not a salvage ninja, and I run my own missions, but I like to consider that salvaging ninjas make the game a better place by making it less like WOW. And these salvaging whines are getting oldMad
Dito. The nearly daily complaints about salvaging annoyes me more and more. I am already considering learning ninja salvaging myself just to annoye those people back.
CCP was already kind enough to save you the loot. In a real salvage you wouldn't have that either.
|
Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
|
Posted - 2009.06.22 19:30:00 -
[51]
how about we all just do this
the ninjas and anyone that thinks its working right go about our merry ways
and everyone els just shut your frekking traps |
Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Corp 1 Allstars
|
Posted - 2009.06.22 19:53:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Jensen Blayloc
A side note- salvage rights if you could sell them, would make for a nice cottage industry, where dedicated salvaging companies could bid on salvage rights from missioners, and the missioner wouldn't lose out on all the money, but wouldn't have to clean it up either. Well organized salvagers could make a tidy profit.
You can do that, but it'll be less official. Eve does not give you the tools you need, it gives you the basic building blocks and tells you to get to work.
Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Khalia Nestune
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
|
Posted - 2009.06.22 19:57:00 -
[53]
If CCP wants to cause salvaging a wreck to cause agro to the MR, that's fine by me. My 1300m/s salvager can speed tank the guns of most battleships.
And when you do fire on me, coming back in a PvP fit ship - against your PvE fit - will be most fun indeed.
Please, do introduce! We'd LOVE this! 
|
Uronksur Suth
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate
Libertas Fidelitas
|
Posted - 2009.06.22 20:08:00 -
[54]
If you have a problem with salvagers taking your loot. I advise you to salvage faster.
Seriously, where do people get the impression that they "own" a drifting mass of debris? If anything, it'd be more realistic to remove the steal mechanic from looting. But I understand that there has to be SOME sort of loot mechanism in this game. No matter how awkward or nonsensical. |
| |
|
| Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |