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eien mirai The Scope Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.05.17 20:42:00 - [1] - Quote both cost over 1 billion to isk. both are gallente/minmatar ships. both are battleships. my main question is which one would do better for solo pvp? i like them both and both require the same skills. i like projectiles much more, but i am more than willing to use blasters if they would be more efficient. i also see that the vinny has 25 more bandwidth for drones. is this significant enough to choose over the mach?
Orlacc 159	Posted - 2012.05.17 20:59:00 - [2] - Quote I like the Mach. But that being said, whom do you expect to nab in a solo BS? I tried with a Mael way back and it was fail at best. And yes. More drones, if you have T2, is a good thing.
eien mirai The Scope Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.05.17 21:01:00 - [3] - Quote i havent done solo pvp in a BS but i have been told by more than a few people that its viable. was i mislead? or should i just make sure someone in a battlecruiser is with me or something
Dibblerette The Phantom Regiment The House Of Cards. 62	Posted - 2012.05.17 21:41:00 - [4] - Quote eien mirai wrote: i havent done solo pvp in a BS but i have been told by more than a few people that its viable. was i mislead? or should i just make sure someone in a battlecruiser is with me or something A solo PvP BS can be done, but prepare to get ganged up on heavily. Everyone wants a faction BS kill, it's almost like a capital. That said, I would suggest the Mach simply because you can fight outside of web and scram range, so if they bring backup, you just overheat a cycle of MWD, break point and leave. Vindi has to get up close and personal to apply all of it's dps, which means you kind of go all in every fight. And 25mb of drones is not worth losing a billion isk hull. You shouldn't be using all of it in one go anyways. I'd have a set of hammerheads, warrior IIs and light ECM drones, never heavies or sentries.
Starrakatt Z0MBIELAND Double Tap. 1	Posted - 2012.05.17 21:47:00 - [5] - Quote What kind of PvP? Gate and station camping, I'd say Vindie is better, since it's a 'In your face action, (Massive dps Blasters/Webs) kind of PvP. Fights over planets/moons/roid belts/deadspace then I would say the Mach, since once they are pointed you can kite them to death and they can't de-agress and jump/dock. That being said - You still need to actually lock and point them BEFORE they just warp off.
Vordak Kallager Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 237	Posted - 2012.05.17 21:53:00 - [6] - Quote Watch Gods Coldblood for awesome Vindicator solo stuff, he is on youtube. *Sa souvraya niende misain ye.*
Arch Stanton's Neighbour Forceful Resource Acquisition Inc 5	Posted - 2012.05.17 23:56:00 - [7] - Quote If you're roaming in unfamiliar territory the mach because as said it has much more mobility making it easier to disengage. For that reason it is more limited in the targets it can take though. The vindi however with 90% webs can take on even frigate gangs but your only option for disengagement is deagressing and jumping/docking because you fight at point blank. So I would only use it solo in situations that I had enough intel or awareness to know I wont get blobbed and may commit to a fight I'll either win or die. Both can tank about 1000 dps with 1 bil in fittings and exile/blue pill booster.
eien mirai The Scope Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.05.18 04:20:00 - [8] - Quote okay, i havent done null sec pvp and in all honesty im nervous for it. im flying a myrm and im gonna get a lot more pvp experience before i risk anything spendy. but it pretty much seems like the vinny is more for an all out, balls to the wall fight and the mach has a bit more cautious survivability. thank you]
Xuse Senna Analog Folk SRS. 169	Posted - 2012.05.18 08:08:00 - [9] - Quote Most ppl running Solo BS are running links D3
ApollonicShadow Forever Reborn Pineal Squeegee Federation 6	Posted - 2012.05.18 10:05:00 - [10] - Quote Vordak Kallager wrote: Watch Gods Coldblood for awesome Vindicator solo stuff, he is on youtube. How on Earth have I not seen that video before... Awesome stuff!!

Dradius Calvantia Creative Cookie Procuring Veto Corp 263	Posted - 2012.05.18 11:03:00 - [11] - Quote First off, either of those ships are going to run you closer to 4 bil after fitting. Second, if you do not understand the differences between them, the situations they should be used for, and the limitations of what they can do you have no business even thinking about flying them yet. Pirate faction battleships (and especially solo pirate faction battleships) are for pilots who have a wealth of experience to draw upon. Even then, they are very rarely the right tool for the job. PS: Those awesome PVP videos you see of a vindi soloing 30 guys are in most cases a 100% max skilled pilot with an officer fit, high grade pirate implants, top tier drugs, and T3 links fighting the absolute worst pilots you can find in the game. Even with all that expense, they die 20 times trying to get the one fight to put on youtube. I can not count how many players with no combat experience fly down to Syndicate and lose multi-billion isk ships within minutes because they think that they can take on anything just like in the videos.
ChromeStriker The Riot Formation Get Off My Lawn 108	Posted - 2012.05.18 11:46:00 - [12] - Quote Dradius Calvantia wrote: First off, either of those ships are going to run you closer to 4 bil after fitting. Second, if you do not understand the differences between them, the situations they should be used for, and the limitations of what they can do you have no business even thinking about flying them yet. Pirate faction battleships (and especially solo pirate faction battleships) are for pilots who have a wealth of experience to draw upon. Even then, they are very rarely the right tool for the job. PS: Those awesome PVP videos you see of a vindi soloing 30 guys are in most cases a 100% max skilled pilot with an officer fit, high grade pirate implants, top tier drugs, and T3 links fighting the absolute worst pilots you can find in the game. Even with all that expense, they die 20 times trying to get the one fight to put on youtube. I can not count how many players with no combat experience fly down to Syndicate and lose multi-billion isk ships within minutes because they think that they can take on anything just like in the videos. !!!! shhhhsh they might hear you !!!! - Nulla Curas
eien mirai The Scope Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.05.19 01:29:00 - [13] - Quote i guess it would have been nice for you to read the part where i said in the long term, as in no where near now. i dont plan on flying one of those for a long ass time. and i do understand the difference in how they are used, i was asking which one people preferred for solo pvp and why. if you would have read the ***** question then you wouldnt have needed to waste your time telling me ** that i, and everyone else, already know.
Azura Solus Canibus Liberum 7	Posted - 2012.05.19 04:42:00 - [14] - Quote For solo Pvp if your willing to spend it get you a high grade crystal set, A loki OGB, and a Nicely fitted !00mn tengu and have some fun! But In mach vs Vindi If your willing to put the money in em id go with Vindi!
eien mirai The Scope Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.05.19 06:18:00 - [15] - Quote i like the slave set bonus or armor. a plate and some armor rigs make some pretty amazing EHP
Danny John-Peter The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 86	Posted - 2012.05.22 13:01:00 - [16] - Quote Start with a Nano tempest if you want solo BS action (flys kind of like a Mach), then move onto the Mac when you are experienced with them; [Tempest, Nano] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruptor II Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800 Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive I 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Valkyrie II x5
DirtyDozen The Six-Pack Syndicate 6	Posted - 2012.05.22 13:17:00 - [17] - Quote Danny John-Peter wrote: Start with a Nano tempest if you want solo BS action (flys kind of like a Mach), then move onto the Mac when you are experienced with them; [Tempest, Nano] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruptor II Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800 Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive I 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Valkyrie II x5 I was going to say the same thing. Use this as mach training. Also, get a dual rep mega if you're wanting to go the vindi route. GL
Reppyk The Black Shell 123	Posted - 2012.05.22 13:31:00 - [18] - Quote eien mirai wrote: both cost over 1 billion to isk. both are gallente/minmatar ships. both are battleships. my main question is which one would do better for solo pvp? i like them both and both require the same skills. i like projectiles much more, but i am more than willing to use blasters if they would be more efficient. i also see that the vinny has 25 more bandwidth for drones. is this significant enough to choose over the mach? Lose 10 fregates in solo pvp Then lose 10 cruisers/bcs in solo pvp Then lose 10 T1 battleships in solo pvp And ask again. But at this point, you'll find it yourself.
Homo Jesus The LGBT Last Supper 5	Posted - 2012.05.22 14:53:00 - [19] - Quote Neither one is all that great until you fit them top to bottom with the best faction, deadspace and officer mods you can afford. Oh yeah, if you can't use T2 drones just get the navy ones they're just as good if not much better. Once that bad boy is worth about 5 billion you will be king of the low sec asteroid belts.
Danny John-Peter The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 86	Posted - 2012.05.22 15:30:00 - [20] - Quote Homo Jesus wrote: Neither one is all that great until you fit them top to bottom with the best faction, deadspace and officer mods you can afford. Oh yeah, if you can't use T2 drones just get the navy ones they're just as good if not much better. Once that bad boy is worth about 5 billion you will be king of the low sec asteroid belts. I hope to god your trolling

axxeessee Trade and Supplies Co. 10	Posted - 2012.05.22 20:18:00 - [21] - Quote Try to get a hold in game with FIREBOLT145, by far the greatest MACHARIAL WARBOAT PILOT. This kind fellow might grace you with some of his space knowledge on the subject.
eien mirai The Scope Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.05.23 19:44:00 - [22] - Quote thanks i will.
Hail Goddess Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.05.23 20:23:00 - [23] - Quote The Mach is able to field a very effective active-armor and active-shield setup. The vind is somewhat limited to close range engagements (much more risky). Overall, the difference is in damage depending on each ships setup. The shield-mach can do around 1300dps. Most close range vind setups focus alot more on defense (900 - 1000dps). There by making the point of flying the ship mute. other than the utility factor of 90% stasis webifier. If you're thinking about flying the vind. Dont! Buy a Megathron Navy Issue and fly that instead. You lose 90% for a tracking bonus, more drones and large neut. Most everything else is the same. You also lose less when it explodes. Easily being able to replace it. Megathron Navy Issue True Sansha Large Armor Repairer True Sansha Large Armor Repairer Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Nanobot Accelerator I Large Nanobot Accelerator I Berserker II x5 Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5
Daneel Trevize The Scope Gallente Federation 124	Posted - 2012.05.23 20:46:00 - [24] - Quote But you don't just lose the 90% vs 60% web, you lose having a web completely, you're just a BS with a scram then w.r.t. tackle. And the Vindi still has the tracking bonus. More accurately I'd say it's about half the price for a good tank on a NMega, but 1/3 less dps. Going the other way that's 50% more dps from a Vindi (800dps vs 1200dps when active tanked), before factoring in how a 90% web and not always having the enemy's mwd off helps with applying dps from guns & drones.
eien mirai The Scope Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.05.23 23:52:00 - [25] - Quote i dont see how you think a machariel (autocannons) can do more dps than a vindicator (blasters) i can see that the range is more forgiving on the mach and it looks like im going to buy a megathron or navy mega and work on all of my support skills. then once i have all the skills that i need, i will get the mach. so its gonna be a long time but i appreciate the help. i have a better understanding of the ships purposes now.
Danny John-Peter The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 91	Posted - 2012.05.25 07:52:00 - [26] - Quote eien mirai wrote: i dont see how you think a machariel (autocannons) can do more dps than a vindicator (blasters) i can see that the range is more forgiving on the mach and it looks like im going to buy a megathron or navy mega and work on all of my support skills. then once i have all the skills that i need, i will get the mach. so its gonna be a long time but i appreciate the help. i have a better understanding of the ships purposes now. If you are going the Mac route you might try practising with the Nano Tempest fit I suggested earlier, they fly essentially the same whereas the Mach and Mega/Navy Mega fly completely differently.
eien mirai The Scope Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.05.27 18:54:00 - [27] - Quote k
Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery 1229	Posted - 2012.05.27 21:53:00 - [28] - Quote eien mirai wrote: i do understand the difference in how they are used, i was asking which one people preferred for solo pvp and why This contradicts itself. If you know the difference in how they are used, then this would seemingly include solo? Quote: i dont see how you think a machariel (autocannons) can do more dps than a vindicator (blasters) In your chosen usage case, the Mach will APPLY more damage than a Vindicator. Stop looking at EFT. Outside of sitting in docking range of a station in highsec, after wardeccing a carebear corp, a Vindy will see little "solo" use. Machs can pick their engagements much more easily and you're much less prone to losing them. You'll probably also lose your first 2 or 3 without killing much in them, so factor that into your plans. Solo faction BS PVP is the playground of the insanely rich, or the aforementioned station huggers. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's
Garven Dreis Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic 41	Posted - 2012.05.28 05:31:00 - [29] - Quote We have war targets who only seem to fly Faction BS and Cruisers and only engage in ~elite pvp~. Most people I know who fly that way have hordes of remote reps aswell. Ruined their efficiency when a fleet was dropped on their heads. Woops. In Manticore we Trust
eien mirai The Scope Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.05.28 10:35:00 - [30] - Quote Khanh'rhh wrote: eien mirai wrote: i do understand the difference in how they are used, i was asking which one people preferred for solo pvp and why This contradicts itself. If you know the difference in how they are used, then this would seemingly include solo? Quote: i dont see how you think a machariel (autocannons) can do more dps than a vindicator (blasters) In your chosen usage case, the Mach will APPLY more damage than a Vindicator. Stop looking at EFT. Outside of sitting in docking range of a station in highsec, after wardeccing a carebear corp, a Vindy will see little "solo" use. Machs can pick their engagements much more easily and you're much less prone to losing them. You'll probably also lose your first 2 or 3 without killing much in them, so factor that into your plans. Solo faction BS PVP is the playground of the insanely rich, or the aforementioned station huggers. it does not contradict itself. if you read the whole sentance, you will notice that i wanted personal preference. and i get that a mach has much better speed and range options, that has already been established. i already know that the mach will be my choice due to obvious reasons, but the vindicator is CAPABLE of doing more all out damage. if you try to deny that, then you sir, are a fool.



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