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eien mirai
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.17 20:42:00 -
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both cost over 1 billion to isk. both are gallente/minmatar ships. both are battleships. my main question is which one would do better for solo pvp? i like them both and both require the same skills. i like projectiles much more, but i am more than willing to use blasters if they would be more efficient. i also see that the vinny has 25 more bandwidth for drones. is this significant enough to choose over the mach? |
Orlacc
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Posted - 2012.05.17 20:59:00 -
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I like the Mach. But that being said, whom do you expect to nab in a solo BS? I tried with a Mael way back and it was fail at best.
And yes. More drones, if you have T2, is a good thing. |
eien mirai
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.17 21:01:00 -
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i havent done solo pvp in a BS but i have been told by more than a few people that its viable. was i mislead? or should i just make sure someone in a battlecruiser is with me or something
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Dibblerette
The Phantom Regiment The House Of Cards.
62
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Posted - 2012.05.17 21:41:00 -
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eien mirai wrote:i havent done solo pvp in a BS but i have been told by more than a few people that its viable. was i mislead? or should i just make sure someone in a battlecruiser is with me or something
A solo PvP BS can be done, but prepare to get ganged up on heavily. Everyone wants a faction BS kill, it's almost like a capital. That said, I would suggest the Mach simply because you can fight outside of web and scram range, so if they bring backup, you just overheat a cycle of MWD, break point and leave. Vindi has to get up close and personal to apply all of it's dps, which means you kind of go all in every fight.
And 25mb of drones is not worth losing a billion isk hull. You shouldn't be using all of it in one go anyways. I'd have a set of hammerheads, warrior IIs and light ECM drones, never heavies or sentries. |
Starrakatt
Z0MBIELAND Double Tap.
1
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Posted - 2012.05.17 21:47:00 -
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What kind of PvP?
Gate and station camping, I'd say Vindie is better, since it's a 'In your face action, (Massive dps Blasters/Webs) kind of PvP.
Fights over planets/moons/roid belts/deadspace then I would say the Mach, since once they are pointed you can kite them to death and they can't de-agress and jump/dock.
That being said - You still need to actually lock and point them BEFORE they just warp off.
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
237
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Posted - 2012.05.17 21:53:00 -
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Watch Gods Coldblood for awesome Vindicator solo stuff, he is on youtube. Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Arch Stanton's Neighbour
Forceful Resource Acquisition Inc
5
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Posted - 2012.05.17 23:56:00 -
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If you're roaming in unfamiliar territory the mach because as said it has much more mobility making it easier to disengage. For that reason it is more limited in the targets it can take though.
The vindi however with 90% webs can take on even frigate gangs but your only option for disengagement is deagressing and jumping/docking because you fight at point blank. So I would only use it solo in situations that I had enough intel or awareness to know I wont get blobbed and may commit to a fight I'll either win or die.
Both can tank about 1000 dps with 1 bil in fittings and exile/blue pill booster. |
eien mirai
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.18 04:20:00 -
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okay, i havent done null sec pvp and in all honesty im nervous for it. im flying a myrm and im gonna get a lot more pvp experience before i risk anything spendy. but it pretty much seems like the vinny is more for an all out, balls to the wall fight and the mach has a bit more cautious survivability. thank you]
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Xuse Senna
Analog Folk SRS.
169
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Posted - 2012.05.18 08:08:00 -
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Most ppl running Solo BS are running links D3 |
ApollonicShadow
Forever Reborn Pineal Squeegee Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.05.18 10:05:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Watch Gods Coldblood for awesome Vindicator solo stuff, he is on youtube.
How on Earth have I not seen that video before... Awesome stuff!! |
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Dradius Calvantia
Creative Cookie Procuring Veto Corp
263
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Posted - 2012.05.18 11:03:00 -
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First off, either of those ships are going to run you closer to 4 bil after fitting. Second, if you do not understand the differences between them, the situations they should be used for, and the limitations of what they can do you have no business even thinking about flying them yet.
Pirate faction battleships (and especially solo pirate faction battleships) are for pilots who have a wealth of experience to draw upon. Even then, they are very rarely the right tool for the job.
PS: Those awesome PVP videos you see of a vindi soloing 30 guys are in most cases a 100% max skilled pilot with an officer fit, high grade pirate implants, top tier drugs, and T3 links fighting the absolute worst pilots you can find in the game. Even with all that expense, they die 20 times trying to get the one fight to put on youtube. I can not count how many players with no combat experience fly down to Syndicate and lose multi-billion isk ships within minutes because they think that they can take on anything just like in the videos. |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation Get Off My Lawn
108
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Posted - 2012.05.18 11:46:00 -
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Dradius Calvantia wrote:First off, either of those ships are going to run you closer to 4 bil after fitting. Second, if you do not understand the differences between them, the situations they should be used for, and the limitations of what they can do you have no business even thinking about flying them yet.
Pirate faction battleships (and especially solo pirate faction battleships) are for pilots who have a wealth of experience to draw upon. Even then, they are very rarely the right tool for the job.
PS: Those awesome PVP videos you see of a vindi soloing 30 guys are in most cases a 100% max skilled pilot with an officer fit, high grade pirate implants, top tier drugs, and T3 links fighting the absolute worst pilots you can find in the game. Even with all that expense, they die 20 times trying to get the one fight to put on youtube. I can not count how many players with no combat experience fly down to Syndicate and lose multi-billion isk ships within minutes because they think that they can take on anything just like in the videos.
!!!! shhhhsh they might hear you !!!! - Nulla Curas |
eien mirai
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.19 01:29:00 -
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i guess it would have been nice for you to read the part where i said in the long term, as in no where near now. i dont plan on flying one of those for a long ass time. and i do understand the difference in how they are used, i was asking which one people preferred for solo pvp and why. if you would have read the ******* question then you wouldnt have needed to waste your time telling me **** that i, and everyone else, already know. |
Azura Solus
Canibus Liberum
7
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Posted - 2012.05.19 04:42:00 -
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For solo Pvp if your willing to spend it get you a high grade crystal set, A loki OGB, and a Nicely fitted !00mn tengu and have some fun! But In mach vs Vindi If your willing to put the money in em id go with Vindi! |
eien mirai
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.19 06:18:00 -
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i like the slave set bonus or armor. a plate and some armor rigs make some pretty amazing EHP |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
86
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:01:00 -
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Start with a Nano tempest if you want solo BS action (flys kind of like a Mach), then move onto the Mac when you are experienced with them;
[Tempest, Nano] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II
Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruptor II Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800 Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive I
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Valkyrie II x5 |
DirtyDozen
The Six-Pack Syndicate
6
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:17:00 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote:Start with a Nano tempest if you want solo BS action (flys kind of like a Mach), then move onto the Mac when you are experienced with them;
[Tempest, Nano] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II
Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruptor II Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800 Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive I
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Valkyrie II x5
I was going to say the same thing. Use this as mach training. Also, get a dual rep mega if you're wanting to go the vindi route. GL
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Reppyk
The Black Shell
123
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:31:00 -
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eien mirai wrote:both cost over 1 billion to isk. both are gallente/minmatar ships. both are battleships. my main question is which one would do better for solo pvp? i like them both and both require the same skills. i like projectiles much more, but i am more than willing to use blasters if they would be more efficient. i also see that the vinny has 25 more bandwidth for drones. is this significant enough to choose over the mach? Lose 10 fregates in solo pvp Then lose 10 cruisers/bcs in solo pvp Then lose 10 T1 battleships in solo pvp
And ask again. But at this point, you'll find it yourself. |
Homo Jesus
The LGBT Last Supper
5
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Posted - 2012.05.22 14:53:00 -
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Neither one is all that great until you fit them top to bottom with the best faction, deadspace and officer mods you can afford. Oh yeah, if you can't use T2 drones just get the navy ones they're just as good if not much better. Once that bad boy is worth about 5 billion you will be king of the low sec asteroid belts. |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
86
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Posted - 2012.05.22 15:30:00 -
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Homo Jesus wrote: Neither one is all that great until you fit them top to bottom with the best faction, deadspace and officer mods you can afford. Oh yeah, if you can't use T2 drones just get the navy ones they're just as good if not much better. Once that bad boy is worth about 5 billion you will be king of the low sec asteroid belts.
I hope to god your trolling |
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axxeessee
Trade and Supplies Co.
10
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Posted - 2012.05.22 20:18:00 -
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Try to get a hold in game with FIREBOLT145, by far the greatest MACHARIAL WARBOAT PILOT. This kind fellow might grace you with some of his space knowledge on the subject. |
eien mirai
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.23 19:44:00 -
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thanks i will. |
Hail Goddess
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.05.23 20:23:00 -
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The Mach is able to field a very effective active-armor and active-shield setup. The vind is somewhat limited to close range engagements (much more risky). Overall, the difference is in damage depending on each ships setup. The shield-mach can do around 1300dps. Most close range vind setups focus alot more on defense (900 - 1000dps). There by making the point of flying the ship mute. other than the utility factor of 90% stasis webifier.
If you're thinking about flying the vind. Dont! Buy a Megathron Navy Issue and fly that instead. You lose 90% for a tracking bonus, more drones and large neut. Most everything else is the same. You also lose less when it explodes. Easily being able to replace it.
Megathron Navy Issue True Sansha Large Armor Repairer True Sansha Large Armor Repairer Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Nanobot Accelerator I Large Nanobot Accelerator I
Berserker II x5 Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 |
Daneel Trevize
The Scope Gallente Federation
124
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Posted - 2012.05.23 20:46:00 -
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But you don't just lose the 90% vs 60% web, you lose having a web completely, you're just a BS with a scram then w.r.t. tackle. And the Vindi still has the tracking bonus.
More accurately I'd say it's about half the price for a good tank on a NMega, but 1/3 less dps. Going the other way that's 50% more dps from a Vindi (800dps vs 1200dps when active tanked), before factoring in how a 90% web and not always having the enemy's mwd off helps with applying dps from guns & drones. |
eien mirai
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.23 23:52:00 -
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i dont see how you think a machariel (autocannons) can do more dps than a vindicator (blasters) i can see that the range is more forgiving on the mach and it looks like im going to buy a megathron or navy mega and work on all of my support skills. then once i have all the skills that i need, i will get the mach. so its gonna be a long time but i appreciate the help. i have a better understanding of the ships purposes now. |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
91
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Posted - 2012.05.25 07:52:00 -
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eien mirai wrote:i dont see how you think a machariel (autocannons) can do more dps than a vindicator (blasters) i can see that the range is more forgiving on the mach and it looks like im going to buy a megathron or navy mega and work on all of my support skills. then once i have all the skills that i need, i will get the mach. so its gonna be a long time but i appreciate the help. i have a better understanding of the ships purposes now.
If you are going the Mac route you might try practising with the Nano Tempest fit I suggested earlier, they fly essentially the same whereas the Mach and Mega/Navy Mega fly completely differently. |
eien mirai
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.27 18:54:00 -
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1229
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Posted - 2012.05.27 21:53:00 -
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eien mirai wrote: i do understand the difference in how they are used, i was asking which one people preferred for solo pvp and why This contradicts itself. If you know the difference in how they are used, then this would seemingly include solo?
Quote:i dont see how you think a machariel (autocannons) can do more dps than a vindicator (blasters) In your chosen usage case, the Mach will APPLY more damage than a Vindicator. Stop looking at EFT.
Outside of sitting in docking range of a station in highsec, after wardeccing a carebear corp, a Vindy will see little "solo" use. Machs can pick their engagements much more easily and you're much less prone to losing them.
You'll probably also lose your first 2 or 3 without killing much in them, so factor that into your plans.
Solo faction BS PVP is the playground of the insanely rich, or the aforementioned station huggers. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Garven Dreis
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
41
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Posted - 2012.05.28 05:31:00 -
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We have war targets who only seem to fly Faction BS and Cruisers and only engage in ~elite pvp~. Most people I know who fly that way have hordes of remote reps aswell. Ruined their efficiency when a fleet was dropped on their heads. Woops. In Manticore we Trust |
eien mirai
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.28 10:35:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:eien mirai wrote: i do understand the difference in how they are used, i was asking which one people preferred for solo pvp and why This contradicts itself. If you know the difference in how they are used, then this would seemingly include solo? Quote:i dont see how you think a machariel (autocannons) can do more dps than a vindicator (blasters) In your chosen usage case, the Mach will APPLY more damage than a Vindicator. Stop looking at EFT. Outside of sitting in docking range of a station in highsec, after wardeccing a carebear corp, a Vindy will see little "solo" use. Machs can pick their engagements much more easily and you're much less prone to losing them. You'll probably also lose your first 2 or 3 without killing much in them, so factor that into your plans. Solo faction BS PVP is the playground of the insanely rich, or the aforementioned station huggers. it does not contradict itself. if you read the whole sentance, you will notice that i wanted personal preference.
and i get that a mach has much better speed and range options, that has already been established. i already know that the mach will be my choice due to obvious reasons, but the vindicator is CAPABLE of doing more all out damage. if you try to deny that, then you sir, are a fool. |
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1232
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Posted - 2012.05.28 16:40:00 -
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eien mirai wrote:it does not contradict itself. if you read the whole sentance, you will notice that i wanted personal preference.
and i get that a mach has much better speed and range options, that has already been established. i already know that the mach will be my choice due to obvious reasons, but the vindicator is CAPABLE of doing more all out damage. if you try to deny that, then you sir, are a fool.
Damage is not very important when looking at a true-solo setup, or people would use a Brutix instead of a Vagabond / Cynabal / Hurricane.
You exactly contradict yourself, you are asking a question whilst simultaneously claiming to know the answer. You were asking for the difference in how they were used, and one of those ships is great for solo and the other is not. You do not know what you are talking about, and demonstrate it repeatedly, so wind down the insults.
There is no personal preference to it, if you want to fly true-solo then you have to have a way of choosing your engagements. A vindicator will be engaged on the opponents terms everytime UNLESS you are station camping and simply dock if something comes along you can't close-range DPS.
Also, the Vindicator will be out-damaged by a Mach in many, many cases. STOP LOOKING AT EFT.
You also have a shift key, try that and you won't look so much of a "fool" - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1232
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Posted - 2012.05.28 16:48:00 -
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Here's some numbers.
http://i.imgur.com/s8SDR.jpg
Red line is Vindy shooting a Mach. Green line is Mach shooting. Null vs Barrage. 1100 dps vindy vs 810dps mach
Perhaps now you'll understand why these ships aren't flown solo, but with enough links and boosts to skirt around at way past normal point ranges and mess you up all in the face, whilst you can't do anything about it.
Even at "normal" point range the Mach has a slight edge, and can easily just run away if it gets in trouble. Even a T1 Tempest can engage a Vindicator and not risk being caught/killed if the pilot is skilled. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
132
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Posted - 2012.05.28 16:53:00 -
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This is a perfect example of somebody failing at using EFT.
Tell me how these vectors could be possible (remember that one of these pilots is using a blaster boat). |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1232
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Posted - 2012.05.28 17:18:00 -
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Reppyk wrote:This is a perfect example of somebody failing at using EFT.
Tell me how these vectors could be possible (remember that one of these pilots is using a blaster boat).
Eh, I pretty much randomized them because it didn't matter to my central argument about range. If I wanted to throw in issues with tracking I could. The graph can look a whole lot worse for the Vindy than the example I chose. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1232
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Posted - 2012.05.28 17:20:00 -
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E: and the existence of this discussion at all is evidence you need to look past "MOAR DAMAGE!" -- again my point. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Kiyarii Oskold
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:36:00 -
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Yes you do need to look past MOAR DAMAGE. Like tackle. A Mach can... long point something that can then just reapproach a gate/station. The Vindi has at least a 90% web, those tracking-breaking vectors you proposed won't be happening, anyone in damage range of a Vindi is hugely likely to be completely tackled and bearing the full brunt of their potential dps.
Also a Vindi is unlikely to use Null unless it has to... but you're linking PvE Incursion fits and graphing far beyond anyone's solo tackle range even with all the links & faction points in the world. |
eien mirai
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:54:00 -
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saying theres no personal preference is absolutely ********. the machariel may do better in most situations when solo'ing. but some people may prefer to use the vindicator instead.
i never said the vindicator would beat the mach or out perform it. i was only unsure if you actually thought that the mach did more dps at perfect range/tracking.
and yes i know that the vindicator would have a near impossible time trying to get into range of a skilled mach pilot.
and because you no longer seem interested in helping me, only berating me due to your own misunderstandings, i would like to not so respectfully ask you to please: **** OFF.
thank you |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1232
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Posted - 2012.05.29 00:24:00 -
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eien mirai wrote:i never said the vindicator would beat the mach or out perform it. i was only unsure if you actually thought that the mach did more dps at perfect range/tracking. No, you said
Quote:i dont see how you think a machariel can do more dps than a vindicator Which it very plainly can, making you quite clearly wrong.
I won't. But its funny, those are the only three capital letters you managed in this entire thread.
Quote:The Vindi has at least a 90% web, those tracking-breaking vectors you proposed won't be happening, anyone in damage range of a Vindi is hugely likely to be completely tackled and bearing the full brunt of their potential dps.
Also a Vindi is unlikely to use Null unless it has to... but you're linking PvE Incursion fits and graphing far beyond anyone's solo tackle range even with all the links & faction points in the world. I just modified a couple of fits to have the correct modules that would have an effect and went from there. You may be interested to know the Vindicators damage output as shown is counting THREE Federation Navy webs into that graph. It's a little worse with the usual two. A little outside of the point, because without a range bonus a Vindy won't be landing them on anything which starts out at range and can kite. It's using null because the story is much worse past 15km with anything else. The graph might go TOO far but you can point at 40km quite happily, at which point you can see the difference.
Quote:saying theres no personal preference is absolutely ******** With these two ships, no, not really. One is a slow close range brawler designed to hammer targets it can catch and the other is a battleship with the speed and agility of a cruiser with all the advantages there of. You can very well have the personal preference that you'll do all your webbing in a Rifter, but that doesn't mean it's better than a rapier at it.
Different tools for different tasks. I already gave you the usage case for using a solo-Vindy against a solo-Mach but you seemed rather intent on just rambling about damage, which barely comes into the discussion as a total figure, it's about the range at which you can apply it. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
eien mirai
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.29 01:25:00 -
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i dont see how capitalizing letters is important to the thread. im capable of using the shift key or the caps lock key, but its not that important to me, as long as my message is received.
and i will say this one last time: i understand that the right tool for the right job applies to all situations and i now see that a vindicator would be less effective for solo pvp than a machariel. i also see that in a solo fight, the mach would win and be doing more dps than the vindicator due to speed and range. im not arguing that. all i was saying is a vindicator can do more dps than a mach in the right situation. perhaps not as frequently or easily, but it still can. and im not obsessed with damage as a main factor. damage is necessary in a fight, but so is survivability and the ability to escape if you have to. the vindicator and machariel can both tank enormous amounts of damage but the mach can get away more often than the vindicator, making it the better option.
i do not wish to argue with you any longer because its not helping any of us. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1232
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Posted - 2012.05.29 11:11:00 -
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eien mirai wrote:i dont see how capitalizing letters is important Stopped there.
If you're content to pass yourself off as an illiterate idiot then no-one can help you. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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eien mirai
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.29 11:34:00 -
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When i write an essay or research paper i make sure to properly punctuate every sentence. But being that I am not attempting to impress anyone, and since I am not being graded on my writing, i believe that as long as my message is received, ,y goal is accomplished.
^ All capitals in the right places, just for you.
Now please stop picking apart everything I type, it is not productive and merely shows how petty you truly are. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1235
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Posted - 2012.05.29 15:53:00 -
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eien mirai wrote:When i write an essay or research paper i make sure to properly punctuate every sentence. But being that I am not attempting to impress anyone, and since I am not being graded on my writing, i believe that as long as my message is received, ,y goal is accomplished.
^ All capitals in the right places, just for you. You missed three, and made two grammatical errors.
Weirdly enough, like most things, if you don't practice you don't get good at it.
If you understand how these things work, you'll know there's more to a message than the content. If you fail to spell words correctly, and punctuate and use grammatical phrasing seemingly at random, your point will be obscured by the overwhelming sense that "this guy doesn't know what he is talking about, as he isn't demonstrating any intelligence."
This is why when you're spoken to by someone who seemingly knows his stuff he isn't wearing an unwashed wife-beater and ripped jeans, or sluring his words in an unintelligible mush. Form is important.
Derail over. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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Okay, you win. Are you happy now? I will admit that I do not enjoy punctuating everything because it tends to slow me down. I also admit that I am very arrogant and love to argue with everyone. Perhaps we think differently. For example, while you value proper grammar and punctuation and practice it, of the two, I value grammar more highly in every day life. I believe that intent is more important many times than the action committed. A situation can warrant poor behavior for example, just as I thought that a forum would be accepting of less than perfect writing/typing. It appears i was unfortunately mistaken and I will make an honest effort to correct my mistakes in the future. |
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