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Ausser Cybertech Industrials Agency	Posted - 2009.06.19 17:44:00 - [1] Look at this thread. Help to save eve and stop the Arena and Battleground crap by supporting this topic. Please just place just your support here if you want to STOP the crap. Please place the discussion into the other thread. Please dont forget to click the checkbox.
Treelox Seppuku Warriors	Posted - 2009.06.19 17:49:00 - [2] FRACK NO!! World PvP died in WoW when arena and battlegrounds were introduced. WoW had been almost cool until that point, after that the game became a scatfest. --
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.06.19 17:50:00 - [3] Edited by: RedSplat on 19/06/2009 17:50:28 Quote: PvP without consequences? No thanks. Supported. Kill Battlegorunds/Arenas, they will mutilate the game- the moment CCP implements instanced or riskless or consequenceless PVP i'm gone- as is the PvP core that forms much of the current playerbase that isnt grinding level 4's in Hisghec.
Vuk Lau	Posted - 2009.06.19 18:23:00 - [4] Yup I am strongly against that or any similar crap.
Beaton Somfoos	Posted - 2009.06.19 18:35:00 - [5] battlegrounds or instanced PvP would NOT kill eve. simple reason is that in eve you HAVE to play the real game to gain benefits, like better ships or fueling your pos to keep it going and mining moons and such. world pvp in 0.0 revolves around taking and keeping space... there will always be fights there. One of the biggest reasons that hi-sec dwellers don't go out to losec or 0.0 is because of the risk, and that risk is only hightened by the fact that they don't know pvp. my point is, a battleground would help bridge the gap between high sec dwellers and lo and null sec dwellers. Battlegrounds would offer nothing in terms of isk gain OR risk. therefore, only people intrested in gaining experience in pvp would benefit from this. Edit: and seriously, anyone saying battlegrounds would ruin EvE is not thinking this through... i buy a Deimos for the first time... i'm not taking it to lo or null sec before i get familliar with it.
Oam Mkoll The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.19 18:48:00 - [6] Strongly supported! There is no room for this kind of crap in the single, persistent world of EVE!
ArmyOfMe The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.06.19 18:55:00 - [7] Originally by: Vuk Lau Yup I am strongly against that or any similar crap. not suprised since you have been against anything that isnt good for 0,0 for years. imo eve should have room for ppl that wants to get 1vs1 fights as well rather then blobs and hotdrops in every fight u get
Baaldor Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.19 18:57:00 - [8] Originally by: Beaton Somfoos battlegrounds or instanced PvP would NOT kill eve. Ever been on SISI..yea that is what your asking for. Originally by: Beaton Somfoos i buy a Deimos for the first time... i'm not taking it to lo or null sec before i get familliar with it. Try SISI. That is why its there.
Beaton Somfoos	Posted - 2009.06.19 19:01:00 - [9] Edited by: Beaton Somfoos on 19/06/2009 19:04:05 get off of your ridiculously high horses. bring on the no risk instanced pvp... as long as there is NO REWARD. no reward would make it so that new players (or old ones) can learn a bit before they get out there and kill for profit. no reward means there is not any worry of isk gain from a fun activity... battlegrounds would allow people to gain confidence in their setups and ships... and just might get them out killing and being killed in the real game. flaming this thread because it deserves to get flamed. ^^^ to you good goon sir... SISI already acts like instanced pvp. but there are so few people on it... and the ones that are on it are the people who don't need the experience. new players don't get on SISI.
Kaylan Jahlar Minmatar Minmatar Industrial Limited	Posted - 2009.06.19 19:08:00 - [10] I'm only partially against this. Battlegrounds = Big No Arenas & Tournaments = Maybe... depending on how they are implemented, see below. I'm against any removal of the risk factor EVE currently has. Combat without the risk of losing your ship is a big no for me. However, I could see an interest in the Arena & Tournament concept. Imagine... - Arenas would be a sort of monthly event where players could subscribe to and participate. - Matches would be organized in a controlled environment, where the only rule is that you can't pod-kill your opponent. - Opponents would be matched by "weight class" depending on their skill points and ship type. - Losing in an Arena match means losing your ship. - Winning in an Arena match means gaining ISK, points in the global Arena scoreboard system, and possibly gaining certain medals or rewards, but nothing like new modules or new ships that could be used outside the Arena. - The whole tournament would be closely followed by news reporters and results posted in a sort of in-game Arena scoreboard. This, I wouldn't have any problem with, because other than perhaps providing some combat experience to players without the risk of losing your implants, you would still have the risk of losing your ship (and a lot of ISK). I believe this would make it fair and enjoyable enough without compromising the nature of EVE Online.
Fille Balle Dissolution Of Eternity Event Horizon.	Posted - 2009.06.19 19:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Ausser Look at this thread. Help to save eve and stop the Arena and Battleground crap by supporting this topic. Please just place just your support here if you want to STOP the crap. Please place the discussion into the other thread. Please dont forget to click the checkbox. Ok, so you are one of the few people on this planet (galaxy?) with no life, good for you. I have a family, and my time is extremely limited. I have a number of other things to do (things that NEED to be done). In my experience, it takes several hours to get a good fleet op going. 2-3hours is about as much as I can squeeze in in a day= no fleet op for me. Arena's would allow me to pvp without having to sacrifice sleep. Atm I don't have that luxury. I need all the sleep I can get (try having a baby, baby = no sleep). It'll be years before I can spend that kind of time playing eve. Besides, you are wrong. Wars in eve are fought over resources (apart from highsec wars which are a waste of time). Resources yield income. Thus, even with arena's, you no lifer's will still have plenty of other nolifer's to fight over resources. The only people that will benefit/make use of arena's are the people that can't sacrifice that much time to eve. Arena's are a good thing. The problem those other games had was: no real assets to fight over. eve has plenty of things to fight for.
Beaton Somfoos	Posted - 2009.06.19 19:17:00 - [12] Edited by: Beaton Somfoos on 19/06/2009 19:25:39 "oh holy nature of EvE online don't forsake me" really? seriously?? there SHOULD be one aspect of the game where you can pew pew without losing or gaining anything. people in an arena would have NOTHING TO GAIN. just some idle pew pew if you only have an hour to play. Edit: oh... can i haz your stuff RedSplat?
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.06.19 19:22:00 - [13] Christ. Seems like we are getting a thread about this every week. CSM2 dealt with this issue in Iceland in January, and told CCP that it was an awful idea(Even if not everybody agreed). So this thread is pointless.
Kaylan Jahlar Minmatar Minmatar Industrial Limited	Posted - 2009.06.19 19:32:00 - [14] Originally by: Fille Balle Ok, so you are one of the few people on this planet (galaxy?) with no life, good for you. I have a family, and my time is extremely limited. I have a number of other things to do (things that NEED to be done). In my experience, it takes several hours to get a good fleet op going. 2-3hours is about as much as I can squeeze in in a day= no fleet op for me. Arena's would allow me to pvp without having to sacrifice sleep. Atm I don't have that luxury. I need all the sleep I can get (try having a baby, baby = no sleep). It'll be years before I can spend that kind of time playing eve. Besides, you are wrong. Wars in eve are fought over resources (apart from highsec wars which are a waste of time). Resources yield income. Thus, even with arena's, you no lifer's will still have plenty of other nolifer's to fight over resources. The only people that will benefit/make use of arena's are the people that can't sacrifice that much time to eve. Arena's are a good thing. The problem those other games had was: no real assets to fight over. eve has plenty of things to fight for. /No support for you Well sadly for you, EVE Online is not for casual players who can only play a little bit here and there. Since its launch in 2003, it has never been either. Everything in EVE takes time to achieve, and it's the soul of the game. In order to have enough resources to counter ship losses, you need to have a good corporation with a good supply chain. If you're trying to do freelance, no wonder you're finding it hard to do anything in this game with the short amount of time you can afford to spend. Changing that would change the whole game completely. The more time you can spend in the game, the better you'll be, and this is always gonna be like that. A risk-free Arena system (no ship loss) would change the face of the game too much. The only way they would be able to fit a sort of Arena system is if you can still lose your ship, but that there's rules against intentional pod killing, much like the rules of the already existing Alliance Tournament. The rewards gained from winning arena matches would have to be things you can't use in combat outside the Arena context as well (only medals, points, or ISK rewards, no special "arena ships" or modules).
Jarvis Hellstrom Gallente The Flying Tigers	Posted - 2009.06.19 19:38:00 - [15] Edited by: Jarvis Hellstrom on 19/06/2009 19:47:26 I don't like the idea of arenas etc. as I find the concept rather immersion breaking and out of character for EVE - so I'm supporting. I don't like the elitist and rude attitude of the original poster - so that's not supported. I think it's a dumb idea too - but I don't feel the need to be snotty about it. <edit> After reading the rest of the thread perhaps it would be possible to implement were it like some kind of organized gladitorial combat (basically an 'in game' Alliance Tourney) but even then it would need to be very carefully designed. And if anyone thinks you couldn't make ISK from it, think again. Anything like that would draw some high stakes betting on the favorites! May God stand between you and harm in all the Empty places you must walk (Old Egyptian Blessing)
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.06.19 19:46:00 - [16] This sort of stuff doesn't need to be on Tranquility - this is what Singularity and the alliance tourneys are for. That said, OP, I think you're panicking a little too much - a random bad idea in F+I is hardly new, and this is far from the first time this idea has been proposed.
Ausser Cybertech Industrials Agency	Posted - 2009.06.19 21:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto This sort of stuff doesn't need to be on Tranquility - this is what Singularity and the alliance tourneys are for. That said, OP, I think you're panicking a little too much - a random bad idea in F+I is hardly new, and this is far from the first time this idea has been proposed. Aye, i was about to ignore the thread but then panic mode kicked in as i saw CCP Chronotis posting: Originally by: CCP Chronotis Arenas is something that sits pretty high in our wishlist and one day we will have another stab at it. (source: Page one of the thread linked above). Rare case to see blue posts on F+I. Maybe he just has his funny day. In general i dont have a problem with automated public tournaments every weekend/month/whatever. They can be funny if they are like the real tournament: a limited contest. But free arenas/battlegrounds are another thingy. I think it's better to point the csm once again to the topic rather than just to ignore it. Just to be sure.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.06.19 21:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Ausser Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto This sort of stuff doesn't need to be on Tranquility - this is what Singularity and the alliance tourneys are for. That said, OP, I think you're panicking a little too much - a random bad idea in F+I is hardly new, and this is far from the first time this idea has been proposed. Aye, i was about to ignore the thread but then panic mode kicked in as i saw CCP Chronotis posting: Originally by: CCP Chronotis Arenas is something that sits pretty high in our wishlist and one day we will have another stab at it. (source: Page one of the thread linked above). Rare case to see blue posts on F+I. Maybe he just has his funny day. In general i dont have a problem with automated public tournaments every weekend/month/whatever. They can be funny if they are like the real tournament: a limited contest. But free arenas/battlegrounds are another thingy. I think it's better to point the csm once again to the topic rather than just to ignore it. Just to be sure. Oh, I just dismissed the thread out of hand, didn't scroll down that far. Yeah, that's incredibly sketchy. I don't object to a few changes to make intentional PvP easier - say, an ability to give a defined list of players the ability to fight in highsec without needing can-theft mechanics - but the idea that a dead ship is dead is one of the core principles of Eve. Actions have consequences.
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.06.19 22:04:00 - [19] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto an ability to give a defined list of players the ability to fight in highsec without needing can-theft mechanics Its called a wardec. How about fixing those Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Dragon Greg	Posted - 2009.06.19 22:14:00 - [20] I just wonder. There's lots of people who dig ladder type stuff, or who get a kick out of pixels showing rankings and such. I can imagine that crowd would be large enough for CCP to consider it a viable niche market. Or at least a marketing element. The way the idea was vented in that thread however I have big diffculty seeing function in EVE as it is now, still EVE has changed dramatically over the years. Stuff we pull off now was unthinkable in early years, and stunts pulled back then are now "omg evil bad nerf". Personally I would much rather see a proper view on the wardec mechanisms tbh. But I can see an arena concept work as a corporate or alliance tool. Something which would work as an internal tool for entertainment, maybe even practice or training (though tbh I think there is no training like the real thing). Maybe it could be used for intercorp/alliance tournaments. Along these lines I can see arenas as an idea yeah. But not as some open playing field. Way too easy to abuse considering the schizofrenic design of EVE, and way too deviating from open PVP which in EVE you should not be able to run from forever.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.06.19 22:23:00 - [21] What the hell is the problem again? Because I'm failing to see why this is such a big problem. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.06.19 23:14:00 - [22] Originally by: RedSplat Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto an ability to give a defined list of players the ability to fight in highsec without needing can-theft mechanics Its called a wardec. How about fixing those Yeah, I know. Originally by: Dragon Greg I just wonder. There's lots of people who dig ladder type stuff, or who get a kick out of pixels showing rankings and such. I can imagine that crowd would be large enough for CCP to consider it a viable niche market. Or at least a marketing element. The way the idea was vented in that thread however I have big diffculty seeing function in EVE as it is now, still EVE has changed dramatically over the years. Stuff we pull off now was unthinkable in early years, and stunts pulled back then are now "omg evil bad nerf". Personally I would much rather see a proper view on the wardec mechanisms tbh. But I can see an arena concept work as a corporate or alliance tool. Something which would work as an internal tool for entertainment, maybe even practice or training (though tbh I think there is no training like the real thing). Maybe it could be used for intercorp/alliance tournaments. Along these lines I can see arenas as an idea yeah. But not as some open playing field. Way too easy to abuse considering the schizofrenic design of EVE, and way too deviating from open PVP which in EVE you should not be able to run from forever. Isn't people's lust for ladder rankings half the reason for FW? Originally by: Drake Draconis What the hell is the problem again? Because I'm failing to see why this is such a big problem. PvP without ships going boom. Not really Eve, IMO.
mazzilliu	Posted - 2009.06.19 23:29:00 - [23] arenas arent going to stop eve pvp. for that to happen everyone in lowsec and 0.0 would have to move to highsec permanently between arena fights and only pvp in arenas. MAZZILLIU 2009. CHANGE I CAN IMPOSE ON YOU.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.06.19 23:31:00 - [24] Edited by: Drake Draconis on 19/06/2009 23:32:34 ah... I missed that part... Change it to PVP with ships that go boom and the problem is solved. Instanced combat with full blown possibility of death is win win IMHO. Typically most greifing war-decs are for the hunger of PVP...give them an outlet of arena combat and you get yourselves the potential for gambling on the winner and such. Even tourny ladders.... but you have to have the risk of death in it... otherwise its stupid. And yes.. war-dec fix before this. I claim neither as far as support/non support because this thread has changed directions one too many times. >.<; But I made my case clear either way. I'm sure CCP is not that dense. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
ThaDollaGenerale The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.06.19 23:54:00 - [25] Arenas are a game-breaking idea that would destroy pvp in eve.
Leyline777 Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.06.20 02:57:00 - [26] I am of two minds here (note im supporting this thread though). I can see the appeal of arenas to people who want instant gratification and/or plain out suck/ dont have resources/friends to pvp in low or null sec space. I wouldnt mind a tournament setting but I also think of what happened with wow. I played since beta of that game and was what you would call a hardcore pvper as well as raiding 24/7. Wow back then was a great game because the time you put in equaled the rewards you got out. When the burning crusade expansion came out (just before it in fact) Blizzard basically made it so that the hardcore player with all his shiny epic loot could now be equalled by some ******* that played for 10% of the time and just wanted to be lazy. Take this change into eve where the focus is supposedly as hardcore as it gets and it fails. Im a pirate because I like non consensual pvp/ pvp in general. There are others who dont like (or just are plain dumb and dont have the skills) pvp and that is fine. My main deal is I believe an introduction of no risk pvp with high rewards would cut out the hardcore pvpers with low sec rating and give no additional incentive to go down the chain towards so called end game content(and would especially hurt lowsec even more than it already is (and it needs help badly). Id accept arenas if there were real losses and better yet if you could actually have arenas in station or station like areas that corporations and or alliances could either build conquer or rent. You could then use it as a market tool for both the controllers and the fighters/spectators. This wouldnt effect pvp badly imo if you could only place them in lowsec/ 0.0 for the decent ones and maybe have a tiny few intro types (say frigates or t1 cruisers) in hisec to show newbies what they miss out on if they dont go down into the dark ugly places of eve. Beyond the above I think they are a horrible idea and should be nixed.
ddr800	Posted - 2009.06.20 11:41:00 - [27] I currently run 2 accounts and my main is nearing 20m Sp and I refuse to go into low sec, I have personally had 3-4 weeks in low sec alliance that fell apart. If I could go to low sec or a battlegrounds and learn to pvp with out losing billions of isk in the process I might be interested in it. Otherwise this is an alt tab game for me; I can run level 4 and mine in high sec to kill some time. My experience in 0.0 for 2-4 weeks was dead silence or Gank fest. I agree there should be NO Reward for battleground or arena pvp. The Only Reward should be exp using your skills in a pvp environment.
NereSky The Good old Days	Posted - 2009.06.20 12:01:00 - [28] God no
A wiseman The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2009.06.20 13:29:00 - [29]
Alderon Mizuchi Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.06.20 16:31:00 - [30] /signed Don't want any more reasons for the very few PvPers left in lowsec to jumpship to highsec.
Sappho Ajhannis Knowledge Stick Station	Posted - 2009.06.20 18:58:00 - [31] I agree. There's already an easy 'no wardec required/no sec problem' free-for-all pvp option for high sec based players. It's called facwar.
Leyline777 Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.06.21 01:23:00 - [32] Originally by: ddr800 I currently run 2 accounts and my main is nearing 20m Sp and I refuse to go into low sec, I have personally had 3-4 weeks in low sec alliance that fell apart. If I could go to low sec or a battlegrounds and learn to pvp with out losing billions of isk in the process I might be interested in it. Otherwise this is an alt tab game for me; I can run level 4 and mine in high sec to kill some time. My experience in 0.0 for 2-4 weeks was dead silence or Gank fest. I agree there should be NO Reward for battleground or arena pvp. The Only Reward should be exp using your skills in a pvp environment. Tbh while i understand where youre coming from, since i remember the days when i was a new player (pvp wise), but; I also know that there are tons of corps that reside in hisec that will let you get your feet wet going into lowsec or 0.0 and now especially wh fighting. If you need help finding ppl i can help ya out. Also, if you go solo on your first times and arent a natural at it you will be **d by people like me and mine whos goal is to kill everything we come across or at least ransom it. Start cheap and work up. -- My sig doesn't fit and the sig limit is ****ed >>. (yes this is a "jetcan".. get over it)
FunzzeR Statistical Arbitrage	Posted - 2009.06.21 01:56:00 - [33] Edited by: FunzzeR on 21/06/2009 02:00:15 Agreed, any sort of arena or other "softcore" goes against everything that eve stands for. I say NO to arenas or battlegrounds in any form. To anyone wanting pvp without consequences World of Warcraft ------> Runescape ------>
Xailz Godless Horizon.	Posted - 2009.06.21 15:14:00 - [34] Want to PVP without Risk and to be fair? Test Server, use it. Supported, there is no room for this kind of bastardization. Xz
Batolemaeus Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.06.21 15:19:00 - [35] Originally by: Vuk Lau Yup I am strongly against that or any similar crap. This.
Helgur Steel Soldier's	Posted - 2009.06.21 17:19:00 - [36] Arenas would slowly but surely kill real pvp. Signed
Laechyd Eldgorn Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.06.21 20:18:00 - [37] pvp arenas are ridiculous. We need more real pvp. If this crap goes on any kind of piracy becomes impossible. Everyone just goes to arena to test their new golden weapons found from local sewer.
Uronksur Suth Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.06.21 21:29:00 - [38] Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn pvp arenas are ridiculous. We need more real pvp. If this crap goes on any kind of piracy becomes impossible. Everyone just goes to arena to test their new golden weapons found from local sewer. I agree. While I personally dislike being the victim of piracy I can understand the absolute absurdity of having a dedicated PvP area in outer space as well as how it would hurt PvP how it already exists in game
Biytor	Posted - 2009.06.21 21:43:00 - [39] Supported!!!
Kralin Ignatov Mentis Fidelis Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.21 23:24:00 - [40] it is possible to have tourney's and "arena" like fights with current mechanics, just risk is involved. the less like WoW this game is, the better it is /signed
Lord WarATron Amarr Shadow Reapers	Posted - 2009.06.21 23:30:00 - [41] Arena's with permanent ship loss is fine. I would like to do a 1 v 1 but usually when I am killing someone, the can flagging rules means more than 1 can join in. Not that it matters much since I am used to 1vmany odds and coming out in top, but the concept is pretty decent. As for the game turning into wow, well, wow repair costs for some guy is probebly harder to earn than the cost of loosing a pvp bc due to insurance in terms of time. if anything, remove insurance -- Billion Isk Mission
Admiral IceBlock Caldari Northern Intelligence	Posted - 2009.06.22 06:27:00 - [42] I don't see how an arena or battleground could be a bad addition given that they both have the same consequences as "real" EVE; if you lose your ship you still lose it. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Uronksur Suth Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.06.22 06:48:00 - [43] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock I don't see how an arena or battleground could be a bad addition given that they both have the same consequences as "real" EVE; if you lose your ship you still lose it. Well, thats another argument for NOT implementing. They wouldn't serve a purpose other then making this game more like WoW.
Uzume Ame	Posted - 2009.06.22 11:51:00 - [44] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock I don't see how an arena or battleground could be a bad addition given that they both have the same consequences as "real" EVE; if you lose your ship you still lose it. This. Stop the hysteria. Is fine as long as you lose the stuff, alkso adding bets would be nice and a good place to play scams etc.
Cyberman Mastermind	Posted - 2009.06.22 12:00:00 - [45] Originally by: Treelox World PvP died in WoW when arena and battlegrounds were introduced. Hm. So what does this tell us who don't know WoW about world PVP there? a) it's apparently not really that interesting b) it's completely pointless and doesn't serve any purpose AFAIR, in Eve most PVP does serve a purpose - keeping enemies away, keeping your area clean of pirates, or simply taking over territorry. Seems like enough reason for many of the current PVPers to continue. OTOH, having the option to fight under somewhat real conditions while still having some sort of safety-net (i.e. knowing you won't be jumped by a carrier or whatever) might bring reluctant players to try PVP. Even if it's just a watered down PVP, it'd be enough to get a taste without choking. Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto but the idea that a dead ship is dead is one of the core principles of Eve. Actions have consequences. Hardly anyone is denying that, even if the anti-arena guys are repeating this "argument". I'd be willing to bet that 9 out of 10 arena supporters are even insisting thatit should have losses. A victory in a fight where you can't lose anything is worthless, after all.
ITTigerClawIK Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2009.06.22 16:31:00 - [46] rather than having a new half finished feature put into the game that never gets fixed how about we fix the currant Faction War feature that was supposed to act as that introduction to PvP but so far has become stale as we have this so called "war" that has been restricted to a small area in the middle of the universe without any real consequences for failing to defend systems and no reward for taking them, and with the fact that you are pretty much restricted to your empire and empires allys space and null sec with the fact that you are pretty dam safe in your empires high sec it kind of makes you ask the question that im pretty sure alot of people have been thinking "Is this really a war?" in all honsety the answer is, No!, it really isnt, if it was a war it would expand into the higher sec systems but there is really no point in going there as you can not take those systems can you. so insted of putting in a little PvP areana with no risk where you may as well go into SISI fix the intended easy PvP feature. Sig space reclaimed in the name of me -courtesy of Tiggy ([email protected])
Syringe Oedipus Complex	Posted - 2009.06.22 19:10:00 - [47] Edited by: Syringe on 22/06/2009 19:10:55 /signed Definitely no. Arranged fights should never be an official mechanic of EVE. If people want to pick fights, they can wardec anyone they want. Edit: had to log in 6 times to post this
Uronksur Suth Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.06.22 19:59:00 - [48] Originally by: ITTigerClawIK rather than having a new half finished feature put into the game that never gets fixed how about we fix the currant Faction War feature that was supposed to act as that introduction to PvP but so far has become stale as we have this so called "war" that has been restricted to a small area in the middle of the universe without any real consequences for failing to defend systems and no reward for taking them, and with the fact that you are pretty much restricted to your empire and empires allys space and null sec with the fact that you are pretty dam safe in your empires high sec it kind of makes you ask the question that im pretty sure alot of people have been thinking "Is this really a war?" in all honsety the answer is, No!, it really isnt, if it was a war it would expand into the higher sec systems but there is really no point in going there as you can not take those systems can you. so insted of putting in a little PvP areana with no risk where you may as well go into SISI fix the intended easy PvP feature.
Grarr Dexx Corp 1 Allstars	Posted - 2009.06.22 20:03:00 - [49] Any idea to stop this bull**** gets my vote. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Tikka Caldari Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner	Posted - 2009.06.23 11:41:00 - [50] no arena
FinalFlash84 Duty.	Posted - 2009.06.23 12:03:00 - [51] Don't destroy our game with this kind of crap ------------ Final Flash Rokhasm
Gnosis19 People of the Anthropomorphic Worlds Sovereignty	Posted - 2009.06.23 12:38:00 - [52] Completely agree with this. Eve doesn't need to go the casual player route of World of Warcraft. Risk-less PvP destroys all that this game has going for it.
Straight Chillen Solar Wind AAA Citizens	Posted - 2009.06.23 12:46:00 - [53] I fully support this idea. There are so many avenues through which people looking for PVP can get it. Adding a form of loss less/instanced combat cheapens then game. If you want to learn to PVP do it the same way everyone before you has; Find a group of like minded individuals and start with t1 frigs and cruisers. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Fille Balle Dissolution Of Eternity Event Horizon.	Posted - 2009.06.23 20:10:00 - [54] Edited by: Fille Balle on 23/06/2009 20:11:56 Edited by: Fille Balle on 23/06/2009 20:10:32 Originally by: Kaylan Jahlar Well sadly for you, EVE Online is not for casual players who can only play a little bit here and there. Since its launch in 2003, it has never been either. Everything in EVE takes time to achieve, and it's the soul of the game. In order to have enough resources to counter ship losses, you need to have a good corporation with a good supply chain. If you're trying to do freelance, no wonder you're finding it hard to do anything in this game with the short amount of time you can afford to spend. Changing that would change the whole game completely. The more time you can spend in the game, the better you'll be, and this is always gonna be like that. A risk-free Arena system (no ship loss) would change the face of the game too much. The only way they would be able to fit a sort of Arena system is if you can still lose your ship, but that there's rules against intentional pod killing, much like the rules of the already existing Alliance Tournament. The rewards gained from winning arena matches would have to be things you can't use in combat outside the Arena context as well (only medals, points, or ISK rewards, no special "arena ships" or modules). Oh, I didn't know that. I guess I'm not welcome here then. That's kind of sad really I'm really enjoying this game. Ah well, I guess I'll submit a petition to get CCP's opinion. And here I thought the skill system was really good for casual players, as they don't have to PLAY 23/7 IN ORDER TO KEEP UP WITH THE REST OF THE PLAYERS. So much for that then I guess Since we're already discussing, I was thinking, if you can make other players suffer a loss via arena's, doesn't that resemble REAL pvp? Maybe it's better if it is risk free. Maybe that'll make players wonder what the point of arena's is? If you can make people suffer losses via arena's, then why bother risking your ship in a situation where you can potantially be outnumbered? No, I say, make it no risk, that way it won't cause people to stop pvp'ing "for real", as it would be very "non-eve like", and just wouldn't feel right. And btw, I would love it if it actually had consequences! But I just think it would be less than healthy for the game, and believe me, I have plenty of isk to burn. I just don't always feel like dumping it on some lame lowsec gang that takes five minutes to kill me because they fail to fit for dps.

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