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Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.06.22 12:43:00 - [61] Edited by: Brock Nelson on 22/06/2009 12:43:22 Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 22/06/2009 12:42:10 Originally by: Brock Nelson I however, found it strange that James has access to all of TMP divisions as I was able to download all 7 corporation wallets. As far as I'm aware you'd have to be in a director position for someone to be able to download the history of all the 7 corp wallets via the API. There you go, I found it strange that a public IPO being run by Ji Sama would have an outsider with a director's access to TMP. That would be something that investors for TMP should be concerned about.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.06.22 12:53:00 - [62] Originally by: Brock Nelson There you go, I found it strange that a public IPO being run by Ji Sama would have an outsider with a director's access to TMP. That would be something that investors for TMP should be concerned about. You have to have the financial auditor role or above, basically director level access. That is a giant issue that should be addressed by both parties.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.22 13:58:00 - [63] Its called transparency, and JT doesnt have access to all TMPI wallets, as stated Repeatedly he has access to the TMPI Representations account, worth 100-250M He can see the transactions on all the corp wallets, as can EVERYONE within TMPI. Seeing transactions is NOT the same as having access to all of TMPI wallet divisions.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.22 14:00:00 - [64] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: Brock Nelson There you go, I found it strange that a public IPO being run by Ji Sama would have an outsider with a director's access to TMP. That would be something that investors for TMP should be concerned about. You have to have the financial auditor role or above, basically director level access. That is a giant issue that should be addressed by both parties. WRONG, you need the role of ACCOUNTANT, auditor has nothing to do with it!
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.22 14:06:00 - [65] JT has the following roles within TMPI General: Accountant Station: Rent Office & Trader Accounting: Wallet Division 7 i.e. TMPI Representations Account HQ Hangar: Query all 7 hangars + Take rights to TMP Warehouse i.e. hangar 1 Based Hangar: Query all 7 hangars + Take rights to TMP Warehouse i.e. hangar 1 Other Hangßr: Query all 7 hangars + Take rights to TMP Warehouse i.e. hangar 1 He also have the title of Marketing Officer, this title has no roles.
Saehta Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi	Posted - 2009.06.22 14:06:00 - [66] Originally by: cosmoray I have some problems with these bonds: 2. All your previous investors were primarily the SCC / TMP group. This "might" be considered use of ALTS or partners to create trust. Now the problem is that your partner Ji Sama won't even invest in this latest offering. If your buddy doesn't trust you, why should anyone on here? Personally when your own partners and previous investors think this is a bond too far, I I am not with TMP and can confirm that previous investments were profitable with JT. That says little about this offer but just wanted to note
Xiu Liang Xiu Liang Manufacturing	Posted - 2009.06.22 14:21:00 - [67] Our board of directors has met and determined that the risk factor of this investment opportunity is not significant. Therefore, we would like to reserve 1 bond for 500 million ISK @ 10% interest.
Azerath Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.22 14:44:00 - [68] 500mil reservered --------------------------------------------
LJB	Posted - 2009.06.22 15:06:00 - [69] Edited by: LJB on 22/06/2009 15:06:38 500 Mill isk reserved = 1 bond pending Audit
James Tundra Gallente Tash-Murkon Prime Industries	Posted - 2009.06.22 15:08:00 - [70] Originally by: LJB Edited by: LJB on 22/06/2009 15:06:38 500 Mill isk reserved = 1 bond pending Audit Audit was already performed, and is here. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1102089&page=2#59
James Tundra Gallente Tash-Murkon Prime Industries	Posted - 2009.06.22 15:09:00 - [71] This concludes the reservations part of this bond offering, all ISK should be transfered to me on saturday, any isk not recieved by monday will mean a forfeiture of your reservation. An evemail will be sent out reminding all investors. Thanks guys!
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.22 15:17:00 - [72] we are still waiting on the answer from kazzac or shar.... imo.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.06.22 15:27:00 - [73] I evemailed JT, I am catching up on RL things and have current obligations here that prevent my availability for the next few weeks.
James Tundra Gallente Tash-Murkon Prime Industries	Posted - 2009.06.22 16:22:00 - [74] Unfortunately both individuals who have been mentioned for an audit have been unavailable. The only option for an additional auditor would be Caleb Ayrania, who has a conflict of interest. If any investors have any additional ideas, feel free.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.22 18:09:00 - [75] well james that settles it then :D gl with your bond, will transfer iskies on saturday. TMPI
JManZA Blood Money Bootcamp	Posted - 2009.06.22 18:35:00 - [76] I'd like to reserve a bond in the event of anyone dropping out.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.06.22 20:18:00 - [77] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 22/06/2009 20:20:14 Quote: Unfortunately both individuals who have been mentioned for an audit have been unavailable. The only option for an additional auditor would be Caleb Ayrania, who has a conflict of interest. If any investors have any additional ideas, feel free Hell, let me do it, it's still better than having no audit at this point imho. Edit: made the post look like it's vaguely in English at last.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.22 20:23:00 - [78] brock did perform an audit. kazzac meant a second audit was needed.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.06.22 20:32:00 - [79] Originally by: Ji Sama brock did perform an audit. kazzac meant a second audit was needed. Sorry you catched me while my "Tribal Issue" post was up. I translated it into English now
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.22 20:34:00 - [80] well tbh i think its a great idea. a win - win for you and james TMPI
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.06.23 00:15:00 - [81] Just in to say I have asked JT if he'd was OK for an audit. Not only he accepted, but he was very expansive about what I may disclose (i.e. some names and whatever I personally find relevant). The audit will have to be made later today though, as the transactions and journal for his character and TMP were both on "cooldown" from someone else's previous query. Anyway EMMA states he's not CEO nor Director and cannot access some of the TMP informations, in accord with what said by Ji Sama.
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.06.23 12:31:00 - [82] Sure, now he can't access TMP wallet info because I was able to download all 7 wallets for the audit last week
Saehta Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi	Posted - 2009.06.23 12:37:00 - [83] Originally by: Brock Nelson Sure, now he can't access TMP wallet info because I was able to download all 7 wallets for the audit last week nice
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.06.23 12:49:00 - [84] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 23/06/2009 12:53:48 Originally by: Brock Nelson Sure, now he can't access TMP wallet info because I was able to download all 7 wallets for the audit last week Someone has not been entirely honest with us, but who? First of all let me note that given the number of Riethe alts that invested in this offering, I'm quite confident a scam is not imminent. We'll meet again with Mr. James Tundra and other Riethe alts when he'll be asking for 15 bills.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.23 12:52:00 - [85] Edited by: Ji Sama on 23/06/2009 12:55:29 Originally by: Brock Nelson Sure, now he can't access TMP wallet info because I was able to download all 7 wallets for the audit last week ofcourse im sure, what kind of question is that. why dont you just call me a complete idiot. all the work i put into TMPI, and i would just go ahead and throw director roles at who ever wanted to join TMPI? EDIT: I Cant Say This Any clearer; James have the ACCOUNTANT role, and that gives him VIEW rights to all 7 wallets, EVERY member of TMPI gets this role, because we operate in a completely transparent corporation. VV did the audit and verified so far that James DOES NOT have any director roles nor does he have access to any wallet except TMPI Representation Account!
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.23 12:58:00 - [86] Originally by: Ji Sama JT has the following roles within TMPI General: Accountant Station: Rent Office & Trader Accounting: Wallet Division 7 i.e. TMPI Representations Account HQ Hangar: Query all 7 hangars + Take rights to TMP Warehouse i.e. hangar 1 Based Hangar: Query all 7 hangars + Take rights to TMP Warehouse i.e. hangar 1 Other Hangßr: Query all 7 hangars + Take rights to TMP Warehouse i.e. hangar 1 He also have the title of Marketing Officer, this title has no roles. now read this again brock!
Viktor Raybach	Posted - 2009.06.23 13:06:00 - [87] I just want to touch on one part of this: Originally by: Ji Sama VV did the audit and verified so far that James DOES NOT have any director roles nor does he have access to any wallet except TMPI Representation Account! I don't see any completed audit by VV...
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.23 13:07:00 - [88] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Just in to say I have asked JT if he'd was OK for an audit. Not only he accepted, but he was very expansive about what I may disclose (i.e. some names and whatever I personally find relevant). The audit will have to be made later today though, as the transactions and journal for his character and TMP were both on "cooldown" from someone else's previous query. Anyway EMMA states he's not CEO nor Director and cannot access some of the TMP informations, in accord with what said by Ji Sama.
Viktor Raybach	Posted - 2009.06.23 13:09:00 - [89] Originally by: Ji Sama Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Just in to say I have asked JT if he'd was OK for an audit. Not only he accepted, but he was very expansive about what I may disclose (i.e. some names and whatever I personally find relevant). The audit will have to be made later today though, as the transactions and journal for his character and TMP were both on "cooldown" from someone else's previous query. Anyway EMMA states he's not CEO nor Director and cannot access some of the TMP informations, in accord with what said by Ji Sama. Yes, I can read that. VV specifically says 'the audit will have to be made later', you state that 'VV did the audit'. One is future tense, one is past tense.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.06.23 13:10:00 - [90] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 23/06/2009 13:11:59 Originally by: Ji Sama why dont you just call me a complete idiot. all the work i put into TMPI, and i would just go ahead and throw director roles at who ever wanted to join TMPI? How did Lecherito and James Tundra end up in TMPI? The detailed story please. P.S. I'm only trying to help you.

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