Originally by: Risk Aversion

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You need a full audit of the 2nd bond. I would prefer someone other than Caleb, outside the SCC/TMP circle of love.

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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What of your profits, your mgt fee... clearly you couldn't possibly be doing this for the hell of it? What are your current holdings and what prevents you from using those?

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Actual 5/25/2009
Total Accounts: 3,000,000,000.00 isk
Interest Obligations: 450,000,000.00 isk (15% Average Interest)
Gross Profit: 1,750,000,000.00 isk (58.3% Total Return)

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Something is hitting my gut with the whole SCC/TMP/etc... circle j**k as well.

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Originally by: YouGotRipped

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James Tundra is an alt of Riethe.

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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I guess what Im getting at is that you haven't close your second one yet correct?

You should either refinance that one at a larger amount, or close it out and reissue at a possible lower rate before.

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3000m Bond Offering
[Closed]Issueing 3 Billion in Bonds, Tundra Investment Fund
Opened: 5/25/2009
Closed: 6/22/2009

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7.2 Timeline
29 June 2009 : Bond Start, Market Research Started
7 July 2009 : Research Completed, ISK Fully Invested
13 July 2009 : First Interest Payment
20 July 2009 : Liquidation Phase
27 July 2009 : Last Interest Payment, Return of Investment

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And obviously still have the audit, personally though (and this is not a dig at you Brock so don't take it that way) I'd rather have someone like Shar handle it.

Hell I'd even be willing to pay him for his time just to have him handle it.

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Originally by: James Tundra

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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And obviously still have the audit, personally though (and this is not a dig at you Brock so don't take it that way) I'd rather have someone like Shar handle it.

Hell I'd even be willing to pay him for his time just to have him handle it.

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If anything I'd be worried about the time aspect of it. If he would be willing to do it quickly I'd investigate whether Brock has already started or not.

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Originally by: Varo Jan

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Forget the time aspect, James. You¦re making a rod for your own back again, totally unnecessarily. Take Kazzac up on his offer - you won¦t get a better one.

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Originally by: Gabriel Virtus

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3. You have money - If you make 1.5B in profits in 2 weeks, you have or can make the capital amounts you are asking for easily and there is no need to pay 10% interest to use other peopleÆs iskies. There is no reason you need this public money if those numbers are correct.
-GV

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I am interested, but this does seem a bit much. You show up out of no where on forums, run doubling bond offerings over a very short period. You put up profit numbers and another offering before the 2nd one is even closed. An audit of the previous months transactions would be great to prove you have actually traded in that amounts and could expand.

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Originally by: James Tundra

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I'll reply to this, because all other questions seemed to have been answered. The profit of 1.5B, was profit over 4 weeks total, and I plan to use that to purchase things for my character, hopefully purchasing the freighter from my corporation eventually.

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As I've stated atleast once, the last week of trading is complete liquidation, with only my personal ISK being traded. Thus, all profit indicators are there after the 3 weeks. I stopped my buy orders, as well as hauling operations a short while ago to ensure I'd have enough liquid to meet buyback obligations.

Also, reservations will not be taken until the previous bond is paid back. This means that any complaints of fraud with regards to the last bond can be investigated by investors.

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Originally by: Gabriel Virtus

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Why pay 10, 15, 25% interest when you clearly already have the available capital to do this venture with your own money? Freighter or not. If you waited another cpl weeks, you could make the profit from the profit made from the 2nd offereing to buy the frieghter WITHOUT paying ppl interest for their money. I feel this is the largest hole in the offering. This doesn't seem like a logical business transaction.
-GV

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It will take some effort to shoot down the remaining alts and send Riethe back to his hole and I cannot do this without the community's help.

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Originally by: James Tundra

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That being said, I could eventually fund this with my own money, but my math shows that the returns I generate are much better than the interest rate I pay to use others money. ISK is so cheap in EVE right now that its worth 10% a month to make 40-50% on it.

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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

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It will take some effort to shoot down the remaining alts and send Riethe back to his hole and I cannot do this without the community's help.

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The community have before their eyes a potential scam on one side (JT) and a sure "selective" scam on the other side (yours). Guess how much ready they feel to help you?

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Originally by: LaVista Vista

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And the repeated use of the scc circle-jerk, the unexplained affiliation with TMPI(How much did Ji raise, that you have access to?), so sudden growth and a whole host of other small things, makes me want to stay faaaaaar away from this.

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Originally by: LaVista Vista

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The unexplained affiliation with TMPI; How much did Ji raise, that you have access to.

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You're overestimating MY desire to help or my interest for this game

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Originally by: Ji Sama

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Originally by: LaVista Vista

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The unexplained affiliation with TMPI; How much did Ji raise, that you have access to.

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He has access to 1 Obelisk, that TMPI owns.
And the TMPI representations account; worth around 100-250M

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Originally by: Varo Jan

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Originally by: James Tundra

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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And obviously still have the audit, personally though (and this is not a dig at you Brock so don't take it that way) I'd rather have someone like Shar handle it.

Hell I'd even be willing to pay him for his time just to have him handle it.

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If anything I'd be worried about the time aspect of it. If he would be willing to do it quickly I'd investigate whether Brock has already started or not.

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Forget the time aspect, James. You¦re making a rod for your own back again, totally unnecessarily. Take Kazzac up on his offer - you won¦t get a better one.

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Originally by: LaVista Vista

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This should raise the red flag to everyone.
ISK is cheap, sure. But no competent IPO/Bond manager would ever pay 10%/Month willingly.

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Originally by: LaVista Vista

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And the repeated use of the scc circle-jerk, the unexplained affiliation with TMPI(How much did Ji raise, that you have access to?), so sudden growth and a whole host of other small things, makes me want to stay faaaaaar away from this.

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Well, if the CEO of your own corporation, who can obviously afford to, won't lend you the money and believes you're high risk then I fail to see why anyone else should invest.

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And, if Ji Sama is willing to, then obviously you don't need any other investors.

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Originally by: James Tundra

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I've had most of my previous investors come forward with intentions to invest again, and I'd like to keep it a public investment for that reason. I'd like to try to continue building trusting relationships with my investors, and insure that they get a steady interest payment, and I get a steady supply of capital.

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Originally by: Viktor Raybach

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Ji Sama stated in this thread that he'd loan you isk at less than 10%. That being the case, what possible legitimate reason is there for a fund manager to seek a higher rate of interest than that freely available from his or her own CEO? The only conclusions I, and from this thread evidently several other people, can draw are all red flags.

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Originally by: Ji Sama

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I would loan JT ISK at a lower rate personally, im not sure i would put 5B in a high risk operation.

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Originally by: James Tundra

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Originally by: LaVista Vista

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This should raise the red flag to everyone.
ISK is cheap, sure. But no competent IPO/Bond manager would ever pay 10%/Month willingly.

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1. First, your ISK is cheap statement. I don't like ripping people off, my profits on my last bond were fairly large, so I actually gave a bonus 5% to investors as a gift, raising the return to investors to 15%. I will happily pay 10%, or 15% for money that I could not get myself, in order to keep my operations running.

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2. All money raised by all of my bond offerings is held personally by me, all products are held in my hanger, and all market orders are done through my own market orders, the corporation has access to none of investor's ISK.

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And, if Ji Sama is willing to, then obviously you don't need any other investors.

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I've had most of my previous investors come forward with intentions to invest again, and I'd like to keep it a public investment for that reason. I'd like to try to continue

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with my investors, and insure that they get a steady interest payment, and I get a steady supply of capital.

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Originally by: LaVista Vista

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Let me repeat myself: No competent IPO/Bond manager would EVER pay 10%/Month. Saying that ISK is cheap, and then offering a stupidly large % is self-contradicting and serves as nothing but bait to get people to invest. There's tons of examples of exactly this, backing up the fact that high-% investments are no good.

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Here's another huge red flag

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Originally by: James Tundra

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Originally by: LaVista Vista

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Let me repeat myself: No competent IPO/Bond manager would EVER pay 10%/Month. Saying that ISK is cheap, and then offering a stupidly large % is self-contradicting and serves as nothing but bait to get people to invest. There's tons of examples of exactly this, backing up the fact that high-% investments are no good.

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Heres where we disagree, 10% a month is not a, "Stupidly large %" for an unsecured bond, even bonds with Ebank are generally 8-15%, so 10% is not that large.

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Here's another huge red flag

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It's a red flag because I want to have investors reinvest into newer bonds? Is it a red flag because I want to expand my operations? You're way misusing that term, a huge red flag because I like to build trust? A huge red flag is a scamming alt, or attempts to scam in forum history, a huge red flag is no trading in the last month. Wanting to build trust with investors, maybe a minor green flag at best, a minor red one at worst.

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Originally by: Krathos Morpheus

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The red flag is in you not valuing isks (or valuing them below building your rep), that means that your only intention here is to build your rep for something bigger, meaning that the isks you can make today (with lesser percentages) are nothing compared to the isks you expect to make tomorrow. Now think about who would do such thing.

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Originally by: James Tundra

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I disagree here as well! As stated before, I simply feel that my profit margins are wide enough to allow a decent return for investors. I'm not saying that the ISK is chump change, or that it is worthless.
High risk yields high reward, I simply feel that the risk involved in this venture means that the interest rate should be that high. If you're willing to invest at a lower interest rate let me know, I'd be happy to oblige.

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Originally by: LaVista Vista

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Originally by: James Tundra

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Originally by: LaVista Vista

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This should raise the red flag to everyone.
ISK is cheap, sure. But no competent IPO/Bond manager would ever pay 10%/Month willingly.

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1. First, your ISK is cheap statement. I don't like ripping people off, my profits on my last bond were fairly large, so I actually gave a bonus 5% to investors as a gift, raising the return to investors to 15%. I will happily pay 10%, or 15% for money that I could not get myself, in order to keep my operations running.

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Let me repeat myself: No competent IPO/Bond manager would EVER pay 10%/Month. Saying that ISK is cheap, and then offering a stupidly large % is self-contradicting and serves as nothing but bait to get people to invest. There's tons of examples of exactly this, backing up the fact that high-% investments are no good.

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2. All your previous investors were primarily the SCC / TMP group. This "might" be considered use of ALTS or partners to create trust.

Now the problem is that your partner Ji Sama won't even invest in this latest offering.
If your buddy doesn't trust you, why should anyone on here?

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3. If any of the group of SCC / TMP group (including Caleb) scams, then the entire group will be tarnished as you have all used each other as brokers, auditors and investors. Its a very tight incestuous relationship. You live and die together

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Originally by: cosmoray

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3. If any of the group of SCC / TMP group (including Caleb) scams, then the entire group will be tarnished as you have all used each other as brokers, auditors and investors. Its a very tight incestuous relationship. You live and die together.

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Originally by: cosmoray

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I have some problems with these bonds:
1. You say 3B is plenty enough to make a large profit. Then why didn't you make the 3B bond for 6 months?

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Originally by: cosmoray

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2. All your previous investors were primarily the SCC / TMP group. This "might" be considered use of ALTS or partners to create trust.

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Originally by: cosmoray

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Now the problem is that your partner Ji Sama won't even invest in this latest offering.
If your buddy doesn't trust you, why should anyone on here?

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Originally by: cosmoray

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3. If any of the group of SCC / TMP group (including Caleb) scams, then the entire group will be tarnished as you have all used each other as brokers, auditors and investors. Its a very tight incestuous relationship. You live and die together.

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Originally by: cosmoray

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Personally when your own partners and previous investors think this is a bond too far, I wouldn't touch this in a million years. I think ji Sama's comments here have killed your rep (what there was of it), and it also doesn't look good on the SCC/TMP connection.

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Originally by: Brock Nelson

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So...does this mean that my audit will be pointless?

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Originally by: Gentileman

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That you allege that they are the same person, and thus a Riethe alt conglomerate?

Tell me it's true (only for the isk)?

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Originally by: YouGotRipped

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Splendid scheme... looks more like begging to me.
James Tundra, Lecherito, Gabriel Virtus, Kouryusei and so on...

Does anyone know what they all have in common?
I'll pay 100m isk for the right answer.

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Originally by: YouGotRipped

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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 22/06/2009 12:04:15

Originally by: Gentileman

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That you allege that they are the same person, and thus a Riethe alt conglomerate?

Tell me it's true (only for the isk)?

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That might be true but it is not the answer I was expecting.

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Originally by: Kouryusei

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That unlike you, we don't selectively scam people and blame it on people not giving us more ISK or "believing in us"?

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Originally by: Brock Nelson

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I however, found it strange that James has access to all of TMP divisions as I was able to download all 7 corporation wallets.

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Originally by: YouGotRipped

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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 22/06/2009 12:42:10

Originally by: Brock Nelson

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I however, found it strange that James has access to all of TMP divisions as I was able to download all 7 corporation wallets.

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As far as I'm aware you'd have to be in a director position for someone to be able to download the history of all the 7 corp wallets via the API.

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Originally by: Brock Nelson

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There you go, I found it strange that a public IPO being run by Ji Sama would have an outsider with a director's access to TMP. That would be something that investors for TMP should be concerned about.

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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Originally by: Brock Nelson

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There you go, I found it strange that a public IPO being run by Ji Sama would have an outsider with a director's access to TMP. That would be something that investors for TMP should be concerned about.

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You have to have the financial auditor role or above, basically director level access.

That is a giant issue that should be addressed by both parties.

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Originally by: cosmoray

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I have some problems with these bonds:


2. All your previous investors were primarily the SCC / TMP group. This "might" be considered use of ALTS or partners to create trust.

Now the problem is that your partner Ji Sama won't even invest in this latest offering.
If your buddy doesn't trust you, why should anyone on here?

Personally when your own partners and previous investors think this is a bond too far, I

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Originally by: LJB

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Edited by: LJB on 22/06/2009 15:06:38
500 Mill isk reserved = 1 bond pending Audit

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Unfortunately both individuals who have been mentioned for an audit have been unavailable. The only option for an additional auditor would be Caleb Ayrania, who has a conflict of interest. If any investors have any additional ideas, feel free

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Originally by: Ji Sama

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brock did perform an audit.
kazzac meant a second audit was needed.

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Originally by: Brock Nelson

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Sure, now he can't access TMP wallet info because I was able to download all 7 wallets for the audit last week

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Originally by: Brock Nelson

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Sure, now he can't access TMP wallet info because I was able to download all 7 wallets for the audit last week

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Originally by: Brock Nelson

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Sure, now he can't access TMP wallet info because I was able to download all 7 wallets for the audit last week

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Originally by: Ji Sama

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JT has the following roles within TMPI

General: Accountant
Station: Rent Office & Trader
Accounting: Wallet Division 7 i.e. TMPI Representations Account
HQ Hangar: Query all 7 hangars + Take rights to TMP Warehouse i.e. hangar 1
Based Hangar: Query all 7 hangars + Take rights to TMP Warehouse i.e. hangar 1
Other Hangßr: Query all 7 hangars + Take rights to TMP Warehouse i.e. hangar 1

He also have the title of Marketing Officer, this title has no roles.

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Originally by: Ji Sama

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VV did the audit and verified so far that James DOES NOT have any director roles nor does he have access to any wallet except TMPI Representation Account!

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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

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Just in to say I have asked JT if he'd was OK for an audit.

Not only he accepted, but he was very expansive about what I may disclose (i.e. some names and whatever I personally find relevant).

The audit will have to be made later today though, as the transactions and journal for his character and TMP were both on "cooldown" from someone else's previous query. Anyway EMMA states he's not CEO nor Director and cannot access some of the TMP informations, in accord with what said by Ji Sama.

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Originally by: Ji Sama

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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

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Just in to say I have asked JT if he'd was OK for an audit.

Not only he accepted, but he was very expansive about what I may disclose (i.e. some names and whatever I personally find relevant).

The audit will have to be made later today though, as the transactions and journal for his character and TMP were both on "cooldown" from someone else's previous query. Anyway EMMA states he's not CEO nor Director and cannot access some of the TMP informations, in accord with what said by Ji Sama.

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why dont you just call me a complete idiot.
all the work i put into TMPI, and i would just go ahead and throw director roles at who ever wanted to join TMPI?

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Originally by: Viktor Raybach

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Originally by: Ji Sama

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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

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Just in to say I have asked JT if he'd was OK for an audit.

Not only he accepted, but he was very expansive about what I may disclose (i.e. some names and whatever I personally find relevant).

The audit will have to be made later today though, as the transactions and journal for his character and TMP were both on "cooldown" from someone else's previous query. Anyway EMMA states he's not CEO nor Director and cannot access some of the TMP informations, in accord with what said by Ji Sama.

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Yes, I can read that. VV specifically says 'the audit will have to be made later', you state that 'VV did the audit'.

One is future tense, one is past tense.

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Originally by: Ji Sama

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True and i blame my bad english for this misunderstanding, also i didnt get any sleep at all so i apologize for beeing on the edge.
My point was however completely missed by you: James does not have director roles PERIOD.

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Originally by: Ji Sama

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thank you for explaining that victor, i know i tend to clinch with you, but i have respect for your business insight, and much needed critical eyes.

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I don't see any completed audit by VV...

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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

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Green flag: James looks like a race horse, not a runt. Even in case he is building up a scam, he's worth enough raising a quite larger sum than 5B. It looks counter-productive for him to run with the cash at this point, he can raise a lot more in case he plans to do this.

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Originally by: Dzil

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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

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Green flag: James looks like a race horse, not a runt. Even in case he is building up a scam, he's worth enough raising a quite larger sum than 5B. It looks counter-productive for him to run with the cash at this point, he can raise a lot more in case he plans to do this.

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I don't want to take part of your audit out of context, but hopefully I can offer a different sort of spin on this. It's this exact logic that got investors in trouble with the 720 and YGR scams. James' assets, prior successes, continued contributions to MD and EVE trade in general and backing by TMP industries are green flags: that this is simply the wrong stepping stone on which to scam is NOT a green flag. Trusting scammers to min-max by some form of logic is a losing bet.

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Originally by: Ji Sama

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Edited by: Ji Sama on 23/06/2009 14:03:10


2: I actually did recruit james, and it would not be wrong to say he was headhuntet, but he joined of his own free will ofcourse

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James' assets, prior successes, continued contributions to MD and EVE trade in general and backing by TMP industries are green flags: that this is simply the wrong stepping stone on which to scam is NOT a green flag. Trusting scammers to min-max by some form of logic is a losing bet

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First, TMP has not stated, and does not plan to back this bond in any way

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Secondly, in case of a major loss, I have approximately 2 billion in combined liquid and assets to cover any losses, as well as several investors would would be willing to extend their investments to cover any loss.

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Originally by: Caleb Ayrania

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Soz to OP, but I have to clear this up a bit..

The alleged circle jerk that keeps getting mentioned is a bit out of proportions..

SCC-Lounge was founded by me, and from that a handful of projects to improve connections in the MD grew. Among these are the SCS and the EVE-Expo.

Through the launch of TMP's IPO I got to know Ji Sama, and have talked alot with him and ended up recruiting him into the same alliance as me, since industrialists were needed.

After I did James Tundras IPO Ji Sama headhunted JT into TMP. Which is why I could no longer personally handle his audit as I would be deemed biased. I would like to note that I have no investment in JTs bond, and I did conclude his bond to be high risk.

I have dealings and investments in TMP, and I am now by proxy affiliated with JT. That does not however mean I am in any ways signing my name to either Ji Sama, JT, or their respective businesses. I have been objective in my assessments of their activity, and was not biased and involved with them at the time of my audits and brokering.

@Cosmo: If affiliation post facto is a trust breaker then dealing in MD becomes rather hard, since its not that big and everyone will eventually have some type of close business dealings with each other. Especially if like me you prefer to deal with as many talented people as possible.

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Originally by: YouGotRipped

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Originally by: Ji Sama

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why dont you just call me a complete idiot.
all the work i put into TMPI, and i would just go ahead and throw director roles at who ever wanted to join TMPI?

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How did Lecherito and James Tundra end up in TMPI?
The detailed story please.

P.S. I'm only trying to help you.

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Originally by: Caleb Ayrania

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Soz if I missed the idea earlier.. I get it now.. Thumbs up YGR

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Originally by: YouGotRipped

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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 23/06/2009 22:51:15

Originally by: Caleb Ayrania

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Soz if I missed the idea earlier.. I get it now.. Thumbs up YGR

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Not to worry, for now you're doing a wonderful job (only a few slipups), I didn't get to read your posts from 2004 though

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Originally by: Ji Sama

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Edited by: Ji Sama on 23/06/2009 13:06:38

Originally by: Brock Nelson

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Sure, now he can't access TMP wallet info because I was able to download all 7 wallets for the audit last week

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EDIT: i see what you did there brock, and that is a bad debate tactic, NOW your saying accessing INFO, ive said from the start that he had VIEW RIGHTS ie. he can ACCESS the INFO, but he CANNOT CHANGE HIS DIVISION ie. he is stuck with withdrawing from the representations accounts. (im not gonna go over this any further)


ofcourse im sure, what kind of question is that.
why dont you just call me a complete idiot.
all the work i put into TMPI, and i would just go ahead and throw director roles at who ever wanted to join TMPI?

EDIT: I Cant Say This Any clearer; James have the ACCOUNTANT role, and that gives him VIEW rights to all 7 wallets, EVERY member of TMPI gets this role, because we operate in a completely transparent corporation.

VV did the audit and verified so far that James DOES NOT have any director roles nor does he have access to any wallet except TMPI Representation Account!

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Originally by: Brock Nelson

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Sure, now he can't access TMP wallet info because I was able to download all 7 wallets for the audit last week

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Originally by: YouGotRipped

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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 23/06/2009 12:57:24
Splendid scheme... looks more like begging to me.
James Tundra, Gabriel Virtus, Kouryusei, Bankimus, and so on...

Does anyone know what they all have in common?
I'll pay 100m isk for the right answer.

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Originally by: Brock Nelson

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Edited by: Brock Nelson on 22/06/2009 12:43:22

Originally by: YouGotRipped

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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 22/06/2009 12:42:10

Originally by: Brock Nelson

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I however, found it strange that James has access to all of TMP divisions as I was able to download all 7 corporation wallets.

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As far as I'm aware you'd have to be in a director position for someone to be able to download the history of all the 7 corp wallets via the API.

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There you go, I found it strange that a public IPO being run by Ji Sama would have an outsider with a director's access to TMP. That would be something that investors for TMP should be concerned about.

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2009.06.24 09:34
NO I HATE YOU NOW

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2009.06.24 02:54
Hope there's no bad blood going on between us mate. Its all just fun and little bit of trolls eh?

Brock

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NO I HATE YOU NOW

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Hope there's no bad blood going on between us mate. Its all just fun and little bit of trolls eh?

Brock

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YAY! My first hate mail!

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Originally by: Ji Sama

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Originally by: Brock Nelson

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NO I HATE YOU NOW

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Hope there's no bad blood going on between us mate. Its all just fun and little bit of trolls eh?

Brock

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YAY! My first hate mail!

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reported for publicly publishing public killmails in public!

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Originally by: James Tundra

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Investors should send their ISK on either Saturday or Sunday

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Originally by: ingenting

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Originally by: James Tundra

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Investors should send their ISK on either Saturday or Sunday

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that makes no sense

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Originally by: James Tundra

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Edited by: James Tundra on 30/06/2009 19:32:09
The bond has launched with only one issue. It is now Tuesday, and Kouryusei has not fulfilled his reservation. If anyone would like to take his reservation for today at no interest penalty it is still available. Previous investors are welcome to expand their investment to include this reservation.

Kouryusei's reservation will be considered invalid unless he responds to this thread before anyone requests to take the reservation.

((EDIT))
Kour's reservation has been filled by LJB.

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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

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Assets values
POS: 0
Fleet: 1.1B but only a freigther looks like being actually used. In fact the modules are almost null.
Modules: 1M
Misc. solid assets; minerals, salvage, ice and trade goods etc.: 208.5M
Blueprint copies and originals: 0M
Market sell-order: 1.46B
Market buy-order: 2.9B
Contracts: 0
Liquid Capital: 1.7BM
Investments: 0M
Ordered assets under construction: 0
Other: About 30.5M

Estimated total: 7.4 Billion ISK

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There is going to be a bonus dividend paid to all investors, and I'd like if investors would vote on which they would prefer.

Notes:
120m reduction in NAV, withdrawal of previous accounts.
880m Freighter Buyback program will be delayed to end of bond

A.
First payment 10% Interest, total payments 500,000,000.00 ISK First Interest Payment
Second Payment 10% Interest, total payments 500,000,000.00 ISK Second Interest Payment
Total ROI: 20% Interest

B.
First Payment 5% Interest, total payments 250,000,000.00 ISK First Interest Payment
Second Interest 17% Interest, total payments 850,000,000.00 ISK Second Interest Payment
Total ROI: 22% Interest

These will both cost the fund the same in the end, the differance is the extra 250m compounding.

The option that receives the most votes will be approved and executed.

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[04:34:40] skilzrulz > SencneS, you have ZERO clue who I am, and what I have done for the EVE community.

[15:50:35] skilzrulz > RICDIC SCAMMED ME

[16:35:18] skilzrulz > James, why you poo

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skilzrulz > SencneS, you have ZERO clue who I am, and what I have done for the EVE community.

skilzrulz > RICDIC SCAMMED ME
skilzrulz > James, why you poor and I rich

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2009.07.13 19:15
This is my ledger of current Investments:

Azerath -- 500m
Bankimus -- 500m
Jadun -- 500m
Ji Sama -- 500m
Jowen Datloran -- 500m
LJB -- 1000m
Miranda Zoar -- 500m
Saehta -- 500m
Xiu Liang -- 500m

Total Investment: 5000m

The Dividend payments are as follows based on a 10% bi-weekly interest rate, or a 20% monthly interest rate:

100m:
LJB

50m:
Azerath
Bankimus
Jadun
Ji Sama
Jowen Datloran
Miranda Zoar
Saehta
Xiu Liang

Dividend payments will be sent shortly

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skilzrulz > SencneS, you have ZERO clue who I am, and what I have done for the EVE community.

skilzrulz > RICDIC SCAMMED ME
skilzrulz > James, why you poor and I rich

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Originally by: Dzil

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The title of this thread could be a tad bit better: couldn't you have like "Status: Paying on Schedule"? Closed to me indicates completion.

Also, congrats on what is, thus far, a successful offering. Keep up the good work!

-Dzil

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skilzrulz > SencneS, you have ZERO clue who I am, and what I have done for the EVE community.

skilzrulz > RICDIC SCAMMED ME
skilzrulz > James, why you poor and I rich

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skilzrulz > SencneS, you have ZERO clue who I am, and what I have done for the EVE community.

skilzrulz > RICDIC SCAMMED ME
skilzrulz > James, why you poor and I rich

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Miranda Zoar 500,000,000.00 ISK
Miranda Zoar 50,000,000.00 ISK
LJB 1,000,000,000.00 ISK
LJB 100,000,000.00 ISK
Xiu Liang 500,000,000.00 ISK
Xiu Liang 50,000,000.00 ISK
Saehta 500,000,000.00 ISK
Saehta 50,000,000.00 ISK
Jadun 500,000,000.00 ISK
Jadun 50,000,000.00 ISK
Bankimus 500,000,000.00 ISK
Bankimus 50,000,000.00 ISK
Jowen Datloran 500,000,000.00 ISK
Jowen Datloran 50,000,000.00 ISK
Ji Sama 500,000,000.00 ISK
Ji Sama 50,000,000.00 ISK
Azerath 500,000,000.00 ISK
Azerath 50,000,000.00 ISK