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Crazy Dave
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Posted - 2004.09.18 19:00:00 -
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I dont know about the rest of the ppl that play this game but i am starting to get extreamly ****ed at the ore thievery and ore destruction by ore thiefs thru the transfer of ore to their jett cans and then destroying them. CCP dont want to do any thing to stop it, Or atleast it seems that way. Concord is hell bent of protecting criminals that take and or move other ppls ore in to jet cans that they own and then destroy it KNOWING that concord will fu**ing protect them. by destroying the ship that they stole from should they attack. I am getting very close to shutting down my account because of this seriously ONE SIDED problem as it is causing more head aches than the game is worth.
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Crazy Dave
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Posted - 2004.09.18 19:00:00 -
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I dont know about the rest of the ppl that play this game but i am starting to get extreamly ****ed at the ore thievery and ore destruction by ore thiefs thru the transfer of ore to their jett cans and then destroying them. CCP dont want to do any thing to stop it, Or atleast it seems that way. Concord is hell bent of protecting criminals that take and or move other ppls ore in to jet cans that they own and then destroy it KNOWING that concord will fu**ing protect them. by destroying the ship that they stole from should they attack. I am getting very close to shutting down my account because of this seriously ONE SIDED problem as it is causing more head aches than the game is worth.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.18 19:09:00 -
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I think this will be fixed in Shiva because opening or shooting someone elses jettisoned can is meant to either trigger a CONCORD response and/or make the miscreant criminally flagged.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.18 19:09:00 -
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I think this will be fixed in Shiva because opening or shooting someone elses jettisoned can is meant to either trigger a CONCORD response and/or make the miscreant criminally flagged.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.09.18 19:16:00 -
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I removed the caps from the title. If you want more information about ore thieves I recommend reading the Crime and Punishment section of this forum.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.09.18 19:16:00 -
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I removed the caps from the title. If you want more information about ore thieves I recommend reading the Crime and Punishment section of this forum.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Ryctor
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Posted - 2004.09.18 20:00:00 -
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If you do not like a part of the game...then leave.
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2004.09.18 20:00:00 -
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If you do not like a part of the game...then leave.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.18 20:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Ryctor
If you do not like a part of the game...then leave.
Hardly an appropriate response to his post, imo.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.18 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ryctor
If you do not like a part of the game...then leave.
Hardly an appropriate response to his post, imo.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.09.18 20:32:00 -
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And yet another post crying for the devs to do somthing becuase they wont use ingame tools *cough scure cans cough* leading to the death of ANOTHER player made career (albiet a dubious one)
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it... |
Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.09.18 20:32:00 -
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And yet another post crying for the devs to do somthing becuase they wont use ingame tools *cough scure cans cough* leading to the death of ANOTHER player made career (albiet a dubious one)
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it... |
Ryctor
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Posted - 2004.09.18 20:33:00 -
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Meh i'm just tired of people whining about something they deem a "problem" when infact CCP has stated that its legal AND have given the player base a way to combat it. So you want something thats not all mean eh Josh, ok. Use secure cans or mine in to your hold ffs.
Better?
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2004.09.18 20:33:00 -
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Meh i'm just tired of people whining about something they deem a "problem" when infact CCP has stated that its legal AND have given the player base a way to combat it. So you want something thats not all mean eh Josh, ok. Use secure cans or mine in to your hold ffs.
Better?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.18 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ryctor
Meh i'm just tired of people whining about something they deem a "problem" when infact CCP has stated that its legal AND have given the player base a way to combat it. So you want something thats not all mean eh Josh, ok. Use secure cans or mine in to your hold ffs.
Better?
Much much better. Good lad.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.18 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ryctor
Meh i'm just tired of people whining about something they deem a "problem" when infact CCP has stated that its legal AND have given the player base a way to combat it. So you want something thats not all mean eh Josh, ok. Use secure cans or mine in to your hold ffs.
Better?
Much much better. Good lad.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.09.18 21:15:00 -
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man, I'm as anti-ore-theft as anyone. but man, its easy enough to avoid these people. mine where NPC's spawn, (ie: .8 or lower) even in jettison cans, this is much safer, FAR fewer people mine even in .8, than in .9 and 1.0, and this means less people for the theives to prey on, thus they don't bother.
Ore theivery is NOT a "legitimate" profession, but it IS an utterly lazy one. take advantage of that. trust me, once your at least in cruisers, it should be NO effort to be able to mine safely in .6 or .7, and the comparative abundance of scordite to higher, is worth it alone, the fact that ore theives pretty much don't ever go in those areas(as far as I've ever heard of, at least) makes it that much better.
mining into a jetcan is FAR more legitimate than ore theivery. but its easy enough to avoid the ore theives.... nust gotta try,
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To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.09.18 21:15:00 -
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man, I'm as anti-ore-theft as anyone. but man, its easy enough to avoid these people. mine where NPC's spawn, (ie: .8 or lower) even in jettison cans, this is much safer, FAR fewer people mine even in .8, than in .9 and 1.0, and this means less people for the theives to prey on, thus they don't bother.
Ore theivery is NOT a "legitimate" profession, but it IS an utterly lazy one. take advantage of that. trust me, once your at least in cruisers, it should be NO effort to be able to mine safely in .6 or .7, and the comparative abundance of scordite to higher, is worth it alone, the fact that ore theives pretty much don't ever go in those areas(as far as I've ever heard of, at least) makes it that much better.
mining into a jetcan is FAR more legitimate than ore theivery. but its easy enough to avoid the ore theives.... nust gotta try,
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To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2004.09.18 21:46:00 -
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"Ore theivery is NOT a "legitimate" profession, but it IS an utterly lazy one. take advantage of that. trust me, once your at least in cruisers, it should be NO effort to be able to mine safely in .6 or .7, and the comparative abundance of scordite to higher, is worth it alone, the fact that ore theives pretty much don't ever go in those areas(as far as I've ever heard of, at least) makes it that much better."
Wow. What a load of complete crap.
Firstly Ore thieving IS a legitimate profession as is scamming. Why? Because CCP says they are. Thats enough for me.
And LAZY? Do you realise how much work it takes to make a decent profit from stealing ore? Have you ever stolen ore? I don't think so.
Typically an ore thief will get one indy load, maybe two off each operation equalling about 1 million in profit. Usually you can suprise only one operation per system because miners will call you out in local. You don't typically find mining operations sequentially system after system so you have to search many systems. Saturday last week I made 5 million in 8 hours of playing. If I been mining I could have made 3 times that much.
If you have a corporation, people will declare war on you, meaning that every jump thereafter in your defenceless indy might be your last and you may be podded anywhere in the entire universe.
In short, Ore thieving is low profit, high risk, hard work thats definitely needs a boost for it to be more attractive to professionals rather then the 2 day old alt smack talkers who do it presently.
Infinity Ziona
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2004.09.18 21:46:00 -
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"Ore theivery is NOT a "legitimate" profession, but it IS an utterly lazy one. take advantage of that. trust me, once your at least in cruisers, it should be NO effort to be able to mine safely in .6 or .7, and the comparative abundance of scordite to higher, is worth it alone, the fact that ore theives pretty much don't ever go in those areas(as far as I've ever heard of, at least) makes it that much better."
Wow. What a load of complete crap.
Firstly Ore thieving IS a legitimate profession as is scamming. Why? Because CCP says they are. Thats enough for me.
And LAZY? Do you realise how much work it takes to make a decent profit from stealing ore? Have you ever stolen ore? I don't think so.
Typically an ore thief will get one indy load, maybe two off each operation equalling about 1 million in profit. Usually you can suprise only one operation per system because miners will call you out in local. You don't typically find mining operations sequentially system after system so you have to search many systems. Saturday last week I made 5 million in 8 hours of playing. If I been mining I could have made 3 times that much.
If you have a corporation, people will declare war on you, meaning that every jump thereafter in your defenceless indy might be your last and you may be podded anywhere in the entire universe.
In short, Ore thieving is low profit, high risk, hard work thats definitely needs a boost for it to be more attractive to professionals rather then the 2 day old alt smack talkers who do it presently.
Infinity Ziona
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2004.09.18 21:54:00 -
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Dont mind Kel...he gets ****y sometimes. I think its his time of the year. 
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2004.09.18 21:54:00 -
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Dont mind Kel...he gets ****y sometimes. I think its his time of the year.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.09.18 22:16:00 -
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And LAZY? Do you realise how much work it takes to make a decent profit from stealing ore? Have you ever stolen ore? I don't think so.
Gimme a ******* break
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.09.18 22:16:00 -
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And LAZY? Do you realise how much work it takes to make a decent profit from stealing ore? Have you ever stolen ore? I don't think so.
Gimme a ******* break
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Koris
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Posted - 2004.09.18 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Firstly Ore thieving IS a legitimate profession as is scamming. Why? Because CCP says they are. Thats enough for me.
Infinity Ziona
If this the case I wonder what would happen if some people got serious about ore theif and flew like 10 or so indies through out systems stealing ore. A organzied group doing this would prove that their is a problem here. take the ore drop it to a partner(s) in front of the station and head out for more, when the supply dries up move to another system. After all it is legit, no ?
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Koris
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Posted - 2004.09.18 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Firstly Ore thieving IS a legitimate profession as is scamming. Why? Because CCP says they are. Thats enough for me.
Infinity Ziona
If this the case I wonder what would happen if some people got serious about ore theif and flew like 10 or so indies through out systems stealing ore. A organzied group doing this would prove that their is a problem here. take the ore drop it to a partner(s) in front of the station and head out for more, when the supply dries up move to another system. After all it is legit, no ?
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.09.18 22:47:00 -
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Secure cans and stfu.
thanks.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.09.18 22:47:00 -
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Secure cans and stfu.
thanks.
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Skelator
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Posted - 2004.09.18 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ryctor
If you do not like a part of the game...then leave.
Ohh Give this man a ceegar for his well thought out and usefull advise.
If you dont have anythign usefull to post then dont post!
They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards |
Skelator
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Posted - 2004.09.18 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ryctor
If you do not like a part of the game...then leave.
Ohh Give this man a ceegar for his well thought out and usefull advise.
If you dont have anythign usefull to post then dont post!
They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards |
Skelator
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Posted - 2004.09.18 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho
And yet another post crying for the devs to do somthing becuase they wont use ingame tools *cough scure cans cough* leading to the death of ANOTHER player made career (albiet a dubious one)
While i agree with your remarks in Theory you are forgeting that the 1 or 2 week old player cannot anchor secure cans in 1.0 or 0.9 anymore.
Therefore they are forced to jetcan.
They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards |
Skelator
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Posted - 2004.09.18 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho
And yet another post crying for the devs to do somthing becuase they wont use ingame tools *cough scure cans cough* leading to the death of ANOTHER player made career (albiet a dubious one)
While i agree with your remarks in Theory you are forgeting that the 1 or 2 week old player cannot anchor secure cans in 1.0 or 0.9 anymore.
Therefore they are forced to jetcan.
They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards |
Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.09.19 02:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kel Shek on 19/09/2004 02:42:16
I still say its NOT a legitimate profession. Scamming is within the game, somewhat obviously, if ore stealing was an issue within the game, NOT a game mechanics issue between players, that those within the story, would make it illegal, at least such that you could defend it, if they were observed doing said theft. this is not how it is.
just like on e-bay there are "legitimate" scams, where you buy a pile of crap thats billed in just a right way, and worded such,(big words here: "as is, no refunds") there are in game scams, though ingame its a bit clearer since theres no way to represent/misrepresent it as you can in RL.
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And LAZY? Do you realise how much work it takes to make a decent profit from stealing ore? Have you ever stolen ore? I don't think so.
lol, yes, I still say its lazy. and the way you present it, stupid as well. high risk, low profit, taking more energy and time than doing something thats low risk, high profit, and relatively fast, or at least consistent in profitability. is it SO Much more interesting than mining to make up for not having to stare at rocks for that time?
lol, really its quite similar to how it seems inconceivable that people find camping a gate so they can gank people once in a while, to be entertaining, while they whine that mining is so boring.
sit stationary sucking on asteroids making a consistent profit, being social on chat channels, and listening to the relaxing humm of the mining lasers. occasionally interrupted by NPC's which (at least in empire) can be dealt with relatively swiftly, then return to mining.
sit at a GATE, waiting for (likely unprepared) people to come through, while waiting, making no money,... having no guarantee of MAKING a profit... interspursed with someone coming through, either getting away, or being ganked, within a minute, then back to staring at the gate.
(then the one I find most inconceivable) warp around in an industrial... looking for people mining, so you can ruin the enjoyment of their game, and make yourself disliked, to make a marginal profit, occasionally... when you find someone to victimize.
and those who just proclaim "use secure cans!" have you ever tried MINING in a BS, or even a cruiser, into secure cans? not to mention tried to gather ore in a belt that has NPC,s in an indy, from secure cans? or had the fuss of trying to find the spot where your close to the ore, but 5km from anything, where you can drop the can...
ryctor, I don't even have to say my response to you
edit: typo
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To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
~~William Blake |
Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.09.19 02:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kel Shek on 19/09/2004 02:42:16
I still say its NOT a legitimate profession. Scamming is within the game, somewhat obviously, if ore stealing was an issue within the game, NOT a game mechanics issue between players, that those within the story, would make it illegal, at least such that you could defend it, if they were observed doing said theft. this is not how it is.
just like on e-bay there are "legitimate" scams, where you buy a pile of crap thats billed in just a right way, and worded such,(big words here: "as is, no refunds") there are in game scams, though ingame its a bit clearer since theres no way to represent/misrepresent it as you can in RL.
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And LAZY? Do you realise how much work it takes to make a decent profit from stealing ore? Have you ever stolen ore? I don't think so.
lol, yes, I still say its lazy. and the way you present it, stupid as well. high risk, low profit, taking more energy and time than doing something thats low risk, high profit, and relatively fast, or at least consistent in profitability. is it SO Much more interesting than mining to make up for not having to stare at rocks for that time?
lol, really its quite similar to how it seems inconceivable that people find camping a gate so they can gank people once in a while, to be entertaining, while they whine that mining is so boring.
sit stationary sucking on asteroids making a consistent profit, being social on chat channels, and listening to the relaxing humm of the mining lasers. occasionally interrupted by NPC's which (at least in empire) can be dealt with relatively swiftly, then return to mining.
sit at a GATE, waiting for (likely unprepared) people to come through, while waiting, making no money,... having no guarantee of MAKING a profit... interspursed with someone coming through, either getting away, or being ganked, within a minute, then back to staring at the gate.
(then the one I find most inconceivable) warp around in an industrial... looking for people mining, so you can ruin the enjoyment of their game, and make yourself disliked, to make a marginal profit, occasionally... when you find someone to victimize.
and those who just proclaim "use secure cans!" have you ever tried MINING in a BS, or even a cruiser, into secure cans? not to mention tried to gather ore in a belt that has NPC,s in an indy, from secure cans? or had the fuss of trying to find the spot where your close to the ore, but 5km from anything, where you can drop the can...
ryctor, I don't even have to say my response to you
edit: typo
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To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
~~William Blake |
Excavation Svcs
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Posted - 2004.09.19 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Calvert
I think this will be fixed in Shiva because opening or shooting someone elses jettisoned can is meant to either trigger a CONCORD response and/or make the miscreant criminally flagged.
Man that would suck! I mean if concord ganks us then I'm completely screwed. Then I'd have to turn to piracy and not only still ore, but kill the miner,too.
I hope they leave the concord part out, miners shooting,ok, I mean they do that now sometimes,too.
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Excavation Svcs
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Posted - 2004.09.19 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Calvert
I think this will be fixed in Shiva because opening or shooting someone elses jettisoned can is meant to either trigger a CONCORD response and/or make the miscreant criminally flagged.
Man that would suck! I mean if concord ganks us then I'm completely screwed. Then I'd have to turn to piracy and not only still ore, but kill the miner,too.
I hope they leave the concord part out, miners shooting,ok, I mean they do that now sometimes,too.
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Etoile Chercheur
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Posted - 2004.09.19 09:26:00 -
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i prefer to think of legitimate ore theft as a game of hide and seek between thief and miner. it is part of the game as it exists today, albiet a player-created part, just like jet can mining.
if you're mining slow enough that it takes ages and ages to fill a jet can, you need to head down to .7 and use secure cans. don't have the skill? train it. or ask a friend to anchor a few for you in a choice belt.
if you're mining too fast to use secure containers, then it won't take that much time to replace the lost ore. if an orethief has found you and managed to swipe some of your ore, then they've won that round. however, if you mine your ore and successfully manage to haul it all to the station without incident some nights, then you've won on those occasions. it's a contest on seeing how much you can mine before your hit up for ore by a thief. if you outpace the rate of theft, you're winning. try and think of it like that.
that said...
stealing as much as you can take and then moving the rest of the ore over to your own jet can so you can destroy it without penalty from Concord is griefing. there is absolutely no reason to be so petty. that's the lamest thing i've ever heard of anyone doing, and it bites. i've recently come to respect the role of the ore-thief in the game, but behavoir like this is just plain sad.
to anyone that would do this: what is your smegging problem?
Midshipman Etoile Chercheur - Logistics Division (M&T) | Hadean Drive Yards
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Etoile Chercheur
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Posted - 2004.09.19 09:26:00 -
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i prefer to think of legitimate ore theft as a game of hide and seek between thief and miner. it is part of the game as it exists today, albiet a player-created part, just like jet can mining.
if you're mining slow enough that it takes ages and ages to fill a jet can, you need to head down to .7 and use secure cans. don't have the skill? train it. or ask a friend to anchor a few for you in a choice belt.
if you're mining too fast to use secure containers, then it won't take that much time to replace the lost ore. if an orethief has found you and managed to swipe some of your ore, then they've won that round. however, if you mine your ore and successfully manage to haul it all to the station without incident some nights, then you've won on those occasions. it's a contest on seeing how much you can mine before your hit up for ore by a thief. if you outpace the rate of theft, you're winning. try and think of it like that.
that said...
stealing as much as you can take and then moving the rest of the ore over to your own jet can so you can destroy it without penalty from Concord is griefing. there is absolutely no reason to be so petty. that's the lamest thing i've ever heard of anyone doing, and it bites. i've recently come to respect the role of the ore-thief in the game, but behavoir like this is just plain sad.
to anyone that would do this: what is your smegging problem?
Midshipman Etoile Chercheur - Logistics Division (M&T) | Hadean Drive Yards
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Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2004.09.19 10:10:00 -
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Put jet cans cargo max at 500m^3!
SigPl/HQ&Log Coy/MNB(C)/KFOR |
Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2004.09.19 10:10:00 -
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Put jet cans cargo max at 500m^3!
SigPl/HQ&Log Coy/MNB(C)/KFOR |
Bactrian
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Posted - 2004.09.19 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Steven Dynahir
Put jet cans cargo max at 500m^3!
Increase the size of Secure Containers!!!
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Bactrian
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Posted - 2004.09.19 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Steven Dynahir
Put jet cans cargo max at 500m^3!
Increase the size of Secure Containers!!!
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Toastmaster
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Posted - 2004.09.19 11:52:00 -
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Problem with larger secure cans is that indys will be able to carry alot more ore / mineralls and that will lead to they can mine more and also price will drop on all ore
"viper zulu > toast has killed our whole corporation ships at least once"
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Toastmaster
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Posted - 2004.09.19 11:52:00 -
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Problem with larger secure cans is that indys will be able to carry alot more ore / mineralls and that will lead to they can mine more and also price will drop on all ore
"viper zulu > toast has killed our whole corporation ships at least once"
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Heritor
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Posted - 2004.09.19 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Skelator
Originally by: Ryctor
If you do not like a part of the game...then leave.
Ohh Give this man a ceegar for his well thought out and usefull advise.
If you dont have anythign usefull to post then dont post!
Just dont play that aspect of the game....Time to change profession 
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Heritor
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Posted - 2004.09.19 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Skelator
Originally by: Ryctor
If you do not like a part of the game...then leave.
Ohh Give this man a ceegar for his well thought out and usefull advise.
If you dont have anythign usefull to post then dont post!
Just dont play that aspect of the game....Time to change profession
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