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Candaan Caldari FACTION Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.22 05:57:00 - [1] Hello readers, I have been working on a fitting for my new Navy Raven, and would like some opinions. The following is done with EVEHQ fitter, so I am guessing their calculations are all correct. I have set up for general tanking just for the fit, but I'll be using it on level 4s, so obviously hardeners / ammo / drones will change. 7x 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I (Cataclysm Cruise Missile) Drone Link Augmentor I Gist A-Type X-Large Shield Booster Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Photon Scattering Field II 2x Invulnerability Field II Heat Dissipation Field II 3x Capacitor Flux Coil II 2x Ballistic Control System II 2x Capacitor Control Circuit I 1x Capacitor Control Circuit II 5x Hammerhead II [Statistics] Effective HP: 80,838 Tank Ability: 900.37 DPS Damage Profile - <Omni-Damage> (EM: 25.00%, Ex: 25.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 25.00%) Shield Resists - EM: 72.43%, Ex: 74.13%, Ki: 68.95%, Th: 77.94% Armor Resists - EM: 50.00%, Ex: 10.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 45.00% Capacitor: Stable at 33% Volley Damage: 3,805.07 DPS: 520.47 Cheers in advance,
PMolkenthin Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.06.22 06:23:00 - [2] Any reason why not T2 or faction launchers? or faction invulns?
AMF2	Posted - 2009.06.22 06:26:00 - [3] Screw onmi tank, only use that in drone missions Try this 7x Cruise Launchers(Angel=Devastator,Guristas/Serps=Wrath,Blood/Sansha/Drones=Paradise) 1x Pithium A-type MSB 1x PWNAGE 3x mission Shield 1x CR II 4x BCS II or Caldari Navy if you got the isks 1x Damage Control II or a Power Diagnostic System II if you can't get it cap stable 2x Warhead Flare Catalyst I 1x Warhead Rigor Catalyst I 5x Hammerheads II 5x Hobgoblins II(you really need light drone in lvl 4 to kill the frigs)
TimMc Gallente Extradition	Posted - 2009.06.22 06:45:00 - [4] [Raven Navy Issue, Missions] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Capacitor Flux Coil II Damage Control II Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Ballistic Deflection Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam I Capacitor Control Circuit I Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Hammerhead II x5 Then plug in implants and LG crystals.
Candaan Caldari FACTION Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.22 08:26:00 - [5] Originally by: PMolkenthin Any reason why not T2 or faction launchers? or faction invulns? No T2s = haven't got cruise 5 yet. Faction mods = need the isk for that. Thanks for the other replys guys, food for thought.
PMolkenthin Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.06.22 08:38:00 - [6] Originally by: Candaan Originally by: PMolkenthin Any reason why not T2 or faction launchers? or faction invulns? No T2s = haven't got cruise 5 yet. Faction mods = need the isk for that. Thanks for the other replys guys, food for thought. So you can afford a gist a-type XL booster which costs 2bil plus, but you cant afford CN cruise launchers which you can get a set of 7 for 400m ish??
Candaan Caldari FACTION Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.22 08:51:00 - [7] Originally by: PMolkenthin Originally by: Candaan Originally by: PMolkenthin Any reason why not T2 or faction launchers? or faction invulns? No T2s = haven't got cruise 5 yet. Faction mods = need the isk for that. Thanks for the other replys guys, food for thought. So you can afford a gist a-type XL booster which costs 2bil plus, but you cant afford CN cruise launchers which you can get a set of 7 for 400m ish?? Didn't cost me that much when I bought it 18 months ago. I've been on a break from game for 12 months, so I have to build up my ISK again. I'll fit faction/T2 gear when i can afford it, hell I have 100k LP with caldari navy to spend yet. I'm still getting back into the swing of things.
Omar Khayyam Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.22 09:16:00 - [8] Edited by: Omar Khayyam on 22/06/2009 09:17:07 Originally by: Candaan Hello readers, 7x 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I (Cataclysm Cruise Missile) Drone Link Augmentor I Gist A-Type X-Large Shield Booster Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Photon Scattering Field II 2x Invulnerability Field II Heat Dissipation Field II 3x Capacitor Flux Coil II 2x Ballistic Control System II 2x Capacitor Control Circuit I 1x Capacitor Control Circuit II 5x Hammerhead II Cheers in advance, drop the complex Booster and Amplifier and buy 2xsmall pithi shield boosters so that you can save tons of money plus no need for those CCC's. they can handle tons of damage permanently [Raven Navy Issue, CNR] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Capacitor Flux Coil II Damage Control II ------> you can swith this to another flux coil Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Explosion Dampening Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Invulnerability Field II PWNAGE ------> if you have switched the DCU, put another hardener. Cruise Missile Launcher II, Cataclysm Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Cataclysm Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Cataclysm Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Cataclysm Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Cataclysm Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Cataclysm Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Cataclysm Cruise Missile [empty high slot] Warhead Rigor Catalyst I ------> tech2 if u have money :) Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Capacitor Control Circuit I
Saraphos	Posted - 2009.06.22 15:42:00 - [9] [Raven Navy Issue, Pew Pew] Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Ballistic Deflection Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam I Capacitor Control Circuit I Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Warhead Rigor Catalyst I 1)You do not need cap stability on a mission raven, ever. 2)You do not need expensive boosters, use a CN or DG Xlarge, pulse as needed. Use the ISK to buy faction launchers and BCS instead, make sure you check the DG listings as well, same stats usually cheaper. 3)Don't omni tank, you will probably be skipping the drone missions anyway.... 4)This is a tight fitting, if you dont have the CPU to squeeze it all in, drop one of the rigors OR replace the DC 2 with a CPU.
GGjita	Posted - 2009.06.22 22:09:00 - [10] There has been a lot of good stuff listed in this thread so far but i want to make note of a few of the good and bad things. The Bad: -I saw one loadout that had flare rigs on it. It is a good thing that they were going to some damage rigs but these are the wrong ones. You want to use the rigor rigs. There have been a number of threads discussing which of these are better and they have all come to the same conclusion: Rigors are a lot better than flare. There has even been a few tests run and they also support this. -The other not so good thing is using a DC. In pvp these are a must but in pve when you are shield tanking they arn't that great. Yes they give some resists but putting a PDS on instead of a DC is going to give you a little more passive shield regen and shield buffer it will also help your cap a little. The extra cap this gives is going to end up giving you a lot more tanking ability in the long run than the DC is going to. The Good: -BCU's. Almost all the loadouts so far have had 3-4 BCU's and this is a very good thing. -TP's and rigor rigs. These are prolly as important if not more important than the BCU's. I say this because they will vastly increase your missions speeds since in most cases cruisers/BC's will outnumber BS's by a large margin and the TP/rigor are going to make you absolutly own these. -T2 drones are almost a must, if you don't have these you should as they are your key to killing frigs. -I havn't seen anyone here trying to perma-boost the X-L boosters and this is great. These are not made to be perma-run but to be turned on from time to time to boost yoru shield back to full. Also this is the CNR that I am now running. I use the medium shield booster but if you go with pulsing the X-L that works great too. 7x Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor I Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier 2x Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Cap Recharger II 4x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Power Diagnostic System II 3x Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
AstroPhobic Astrophobics Anonymous	Posted - 2009.06.22 22:26:00 - [11] My current fit. Not too pricey, enough tank and enough gank for just enough isk. [Raven Navy Issue, Dual Pithi B] Capacitor Flux Coil II Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Heat Dissipation Field II Photon Scattering Field II Photon Scattering Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam I Capacitor Control Circuit I Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Hammerhead II x5
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.06.22 23:09:00 - [12] Originally by: AstroPhobic My current fit. Not too pricey, enough tank and enough gank for just enough isk. [Raven Navy Issue, Dual Pithi B] Capacitor Flux Coil II Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Heat Dissipation Field II Photon Scattering Field II Photon Scattering Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam I Capacitor Control Circuit I Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Hammerhead II x5 swap dc for bcu, and a hardener for a painter and good to go! hmm do you need the ccc to perma? if not drop for another rigor
AstroPhobic Astrophobics Anonymous	Posted - 2009.06.22 23:23:00 - [13] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton swap dc for bcu, and a hardener for a painter and good to go! hmm do you need the ccc to perma? if not drop for another rigor It's my alt's CNR, so no full attention = perma larger tank. Yeah I need the CCC and flux for the perma. If this was the only ship I did missions with, I'd probably squeeze a bit more gank on there. Actually, now that astro uses a paladin, I can probably drop the flux for another BCU.
Yoinkerman	Posted - 2009.06.23 02:53:00 - [14] Edited by: Yoinkerman on 23/06/2009 02:53:36 I'm going to try this setup: It has lots of dps and a 730dps tank and my tank/cap skills are all at 4. Plus It can boost for 5 minutes at a time. [Raven Navy Issue, New Setup 1] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Pith B-Type Ballistic Deflection Field Caldari Navy Ballistic Deflection Field Dread Guristas Heat Dissipation Field Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor I Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Semiconductor Memory Cell I Semiconductor Memory Cell I Hammerhead II x5
m3talc0re X Caldari SandStorm.	Posted - 2009.06.23 16:43:00 - [15] Can none of you use T2 Cruise missiles? They pwn btw... -------------------------- Wait, what now? Yes, I was Anubis Assassin, this will be my new main XD
Tavers	Posted - 2009.06.23 18:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Yoinkerman Edited by: Yoinkerman on 23/06/2009 02:53:36 Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Semiconductor Memory Cell I Semiconductor Memory Cell I Do memory cells really outperform cccs?
NoNah	Posted - 2009.06.23 18:48:00 - [17] Originally by: Tavers Originally by: Yoinkerman Edited by: Yoinkerman on 23/06/2009 02:53:36 Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Semiconductor Memory Cell I Semiconductor Memory Cell I Do memory cells really outperform cccs? No.
Taverasme	Posted - 2009.06.23 19:00:00 - [18] Originally by: NoNah No. I like you.
Sturmwolke Genyosha Legion	Posted - 2009.06.23 19:26:00 - [19] Originally by: GGjita The Bad: -The other not so good thing is using a DC. In pvp these are a must but in pve when you are shield tanking they arn't that great. Yes they give some resists but putting a PDS on instead of a DC is going to give you a little more passive shield regen and shield buffer it will also help your cap a little. The extra cap this gives is going to end up giving you a lot more tanking ability in the long run than the DC is going to. A DCII is a matter of choice to mission old timers, but to mission newbies I would strongly recommend fitting it. It gives you a significantly better burst tank (for up to 6-7mins on my std config) at a cost of perhaps 30-40dps less tank on a sustainable tank. At times when your ship hits armor, especially the CNR, you have plenty of time to warp out as you know it won't collapse like a deck of cards - this is the biggest advantage of fitting a DC. Summarily, it should not be termed as a bad fitting if one decides to to fit DC.
Sturmwolke Genyosha Legion	Posted - 2009.06.23 19:29:00 - [20] Originally by: m3talc0re X Can none of you use T2 Cruise missiles? They pwn btw... Golem pwns more and why should someone waste all that training time on T2 cruise over T2 torp? Stop at CN launchers for CNR, move on to Golem.
Candaan Caldari FACTION Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.24 00:16:00 - [21] Originally by: Sturmwolke Originally by: m3talc0re X Can none of you use T2 Cruise missiles? They pwn btw... Golem pwns more and why should someone waste all that training time on T2 cruise over T2 torp? Stop at CN launchers for CNR, move on to Golem. That sir, sounds like a plan.
m3talc0re X Caldari SandStorm.	Posted - 2009.06.24 03:34:00 - [22] It takes like 14 or 15 days to get cruise launcher from 4 to 4... Quite a bit longer to get into a golem. Not to mention the advantages in PvP. I've got torps going to Lv5 atm, 13 days and 7 hours left! -------------------------- Wait, what now? Yes, I was Anubis Assassin, this will be my new main XD
abrasive soap Balls Deep Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.24 05:37:00 - [23] Edited by: abrasive soap on 24/06/2009 05:37:19 [Raven Navy Issue, New Setup 3] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Reactor Control Unit II Damage Control II Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Siege Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Torpedo True Sansha Medium Energy Neutralizer Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5 oh wait is this a pve thread my bad
Sturmwolke Genyosha Legion	Posted - 2009.06.24 11:34:00 - [24] Originally by: m3talc0re X It takes like 14 or 15 days to get cruise launcher from 4 to 5... Quite a bit longer to get into a golem. Not to mention the advantages in PvP. I've got torps going to Lv5 atm, 13 days and 7 hours left! A fair point. Nevertheless, dps wise, only Cruise Missile Specialization 4 will match the CN Launchers (at Cruise 4) using standard T1 missiles. That's another 5 days extra training. You do gain about 20-25% extra dps from the T2 Fury, but this also means constant frequent ammo switching (between cruisers/battleships) and an ammo bill that's roughly twice the price of a standard T1 missile. So you're looking at 20-25 days extra training time in total, just to maximize the Raven's cruise capability. That's an extra 20-25 days where you can shorten your Golem training, if you're not fanatical about maximizing the CNR. P.S. Cruise missiles in PVP is very situational, if not outright LOLed at.
GGjita	Posted - 2009.06.24 11:57:00 - [25] Edited by: GGjita on 24/06/2009 11:57:54 You forgot to mention that cruise T2 ammo really sucks. The only time it is going to be effective is on BS's. Against anything smaller T1 ammo is going to do more damage because of the explosion radius.
Omar Khayyam Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.24 13:59:00 - [26] Originally by: GGjita Edited by: GGjita on 24/06/2009 11:57:54 You forgot to mention that cruise T2 ammo really sucks. The only time it is going to be effective is on BS's. Against anything smaller T1 ammo is going to do more damage because of the explosion radius. thats right, but i want to say that, Frusy Cruise missiles do worse damage than normal cruiser missiles. maybe thats because of angel battleships move fast (those machariels..). i have 2 rigor rigs in my CNR and still t1 missiles do better damage against them. ------------------------------------------------ cruisers used to be a great power when i started this game :)
m3talc0re X Caldari SandStorm.	Posted - 2009.06.24 16:14:00 - [27] Edited by: m3talc0re X on 24/06/2009 16:19:01 Quote: A fair point. Nevertheless, dps wise, only Cruise Missile Specialization 4 will match the CN Launchers (at Cruise 4) using standard T1 missiles. That's another 5 days extra training. You do gain about 20-25% extra dps from the T2 Fury, but this also means constant frequent ammo switching (between cruisers/battleships) and an ammo bill that's roughly twice the price of a standard T1 missile. So you're looking at 20-25 days extra training time in total, just to maximize the Raven's cruise capability. That's an extra 20-25 days where you can shorten your Golem training, if you're not fanatical about maximizing the CNR. P.S. Cruise missiles in PVP is very situational, if not outright LOLed at. See, that's the thing though. If you're using T2 Launchers, you shouldn't even be using T1 ammo. As for the training time on them, I don't think it was too bad honestly. Considering how long it can take to get T2 Large Turrets. The Cruise Missile Spec skill doesn't take all that long to get to 4 either. Mine and your arguments here are really a matter of opinion though for the training times. Also, when it comes to having to switch between Fury and Precision, I keep one type loaded and clear out all targets that the missile type is for. Then switch to the other and clear out the rest. So I would have Fury missiles loaded and clear out all the battleships and structures that need popped, then switch to precisions and clear out all the cruisers and battle cruisers, or the other way around. Switching ammo isn't really a problem at all when done that way. Quote: You forgot to mention that cruise T2 ammo really sucks. The only time it is going to be effective is on BS's. Against anything smaller T1 ammo is going to do more damage because of the explosion radius. T2 ammo really doesn't suck. When you've got a target painter fit with good TP support skills, you can hit ships pretty damned hard with 'em. Harder than T1's. Most cruisers I can 2 or 3 shot. Battle cruisers usually take 2 shots and battleships usually take maybe 6-8, depending. Quote: thats right, but i want to say that, Frusy Cruise missiles do worse damage than normal cruiser missiles. maybe thats because of angel battleships move fast (those machariels..). i have 2 rigor rigs in my CNR and still t1 missiles do better damage against them. I don't have any rigor rigs fit. I don't have any missiles rigs fit actually. If I did, I may fit a flare, may try that out soon. I'm more or less testing the tank on my new setup atm. For comparison purposes, here's what I got: Caldari Navy Cruise Launchers & Standard T1 Wraths: DPS: 502 Volley: 3788 Caldari Navy Cruise Launchers & Caldari Navy Wraths: DPS: 578 Volley: 4356 T2 Cruise Launcher & T2 Fury Wraths (on my old fit): DPS: 598 Volley: 4849 T2 Cruise Launcher & T2 Fury Wraths (on my new fit): DPS: 637 Volley: 5020 T2 Cruise Launcher & T2 Precision Wraths: (also new fit): DPS: 431 Volley: 3399 keep in mind that with this, I can hit cruisers for almost* 2000 per hit with grouped launchers.

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