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Saberhawk
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Posted - 2004.11.11 17:26:00 -
[151]
 Originally by: Thryr Merim
pwnt
agreed
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Saberhawk
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Posted - 2004.11.11 17:26:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Thryr Merim
pwnt
agreed
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Aegis Osiris
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Posted - 2004.11.11 23:04:00 -
[153]
Edited by: Aegis Osiris on 11/11/2004 23:07:34
Gentlemen, those 3 lines don't, of course, give the whole story. I'm sure Lore had justification for it. You said yourself you were just passing through; for all you know, Iko initiated hostilities. Absence of facts is not evidence.
There are enough posts on these forums already that claim all manner of truths from scanty evidence. You three shouldn't feel any need to contribute to it.
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Aegis Osiris
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Posted - 2004.11.11 23:04:00 -
[154]
Edited by: Aegis Osiris on 11/11/2004 23:07:34
Gentlemen, those 3 lines don't, of course, give the whole story. I'm sure Lore had justification for it. You said yourself you were just passing through; for all you know, Iko initiated hostilities. Absence of facts is not evidence.
There are enough posts on these forums already that claim all manner of truths from scanty evidence. You three shouldn't feel any need to contribute to it.
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CKieschnick
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Posted - 2004.11.11 23:15:00 -
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interesting i brought it up with some of the other guys and they claimed to be cleansing the area, so are yall cleansing the area of innocent passer by's or are u claiming an industrial corp is showing agression against yalls corp in a neutral system :\
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CKieschnick
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Posted - 2004.11.11 23:15:00 -
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interesting i brought it up with some of the other guys and they claimed to be cleansing the area, so are yall cleansing the area of innocent passer by's or are u claiming an industrial corp is showing agression against yalls corp in a neutral system :\
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Aegis Osiris
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Posted - 2004.11.11 23:41:00 -
[157]
TBH CK, I don't know. I'm not on that much atm, with work and kids, and I've kinda distanced myself from any leadership roles due to RL.
My point was that the evidence presented didn't prove what they were trying to spin it as. If you want to accuse an alliance of hypocrisy on the forums, you should present better evidence then 3 lines from the aggression monitor with no background or supporting information.
*shrug* not meant as an arguement, just a call for accuracy in an inaccurate world 
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Aegis Osiris
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Posted - 2004.11.11 23:41:00 -
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TBH CK, I don't know. I'm not on that much atm, with work and kids, and I've kinda distanced myself from any leadership roles due to RL.
My point was that the evidence presented didn't prove what they were trying to spin it as. If you want to accuse an alliance of hypocrisy on the forums, you should present better evidence then 3 lines from the aggression monitor with no background or supporting information.
*shrug* not meant as an arguement, just a call for accuracy in an inaccurate world
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Ifni
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Posted - 2004.11.12 00:58:00 -
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Well if you would open up your killist you will see that there are several "innocents" that have died in non JQA claimed systems to JQA pilots.
Now I will concede that there are probably a few that have initiated aggression but there is no way that you can tell me that all of them are.
However the JQA killlist is locked for JQA members only, so theres no way to prove any of this...
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Ifni
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Posted - 2004.11.12 00:58:00 -
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Well if you would open up your killist you will see that there are several "innocents" that have died in non JQA claimed systems to JQA pilots.
Now I will concede that there are probably a few that have initiated aggression but there is no way that you can tell me that all of them are.
However the JQA killlist is locked for JQA members only, so theres no way to prove any of this...
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CKieschnick
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Posted - 2004.11.12 01:23:00 -
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they try to keep their pirate endeavor's hush hush for obvious reason, but we all know the truth!!! 
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CKieschnick
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Posted - 2004.11.12 01:23:00 -
[162]
they try to keep their pirate endeavor's hush hush for obvious reason, but we all know the truth!!!
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Aegis Osiris
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Posted - 2004.11.12 01:31:00 -
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Ifni,
The killmail list is internal for now due, iirc, to a security issue dealing with outsiders being able to post to it. Dunno if it will be made public or not. As to the non-aligned folks, some initiated hostilities for certain, others were accident or due to overzelousness, and were dealt with internally.
CK, lol. You got us, its a major conspiracy between us and the penguins.....uh oh, now you've done it. You've made me mention the penguins.....I'll have a flamingo head in my bed in the morning, I just know it!!
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Aegis Osiris
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Posted - 2004.11.12 01:31:00 -
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Ifni,
The killmail list is internal for now due, iirc, to a security issue dealing with outsiders being able to post to it. Dunno if it will be made public or not. As to the non-aligned folks, some initiated hostilities for certain, others were accident or due to overzelousness, and were dealt with internally.
CK, lol. You got us, its a major conspiracy between us and the penguins.....uh oh, now you've done it. You've made me mention the penguins.....I'll have a flamingo head in my bed in the morning, I just know it!!
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Ifni
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Posted - 2004.11.12 03:17:00 -
[165]
Edited by: Ifni on 12/11/2004 03:20:44
Originally by: Aegis Osiris
As to the non-aligned folks, some initiated hostilities for certain, others were accident or due to overzelousness, and were dealt with internally.
I must apologise to all the miners i have killed and npc-ers i have destroyed, it was a simple accident with a virus in my on board AI  . I must humbly ask for your forgiveness in this matter  I am in no way a pirate and my negatve security rating is a mistake in the CONCORD database.
lol
Or maybe not. You know it, we know it. Just admit it. JQA are little better than pirates! 
And if anyone thinks I should be reprimanded internally, then just convo my CEO. or not.
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Ifni
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Posted - 2004.11.12 03:17:00 -
[166]
Edited by: Ifni on 12/11/2004 03:20:44
Originally by: Aegis Osiris
As to the non-aligned folks, some initiated hostilities for certain, others were accident or due to overzelousness, and were dealt with internally.
I must apologise to all the miners i have killed and npc-ers i have destroyed, it was a simple accident with a virus in my on board AI . I must humbly ask for your forgiveness in this matter I am in no way a pirate and my negatve security rating is a mistake in the CONCORD database.
lol
Or maybe not. You know it, we know it. Just admit it. JQA are little better than pirates!
And if anyone thinks I should be reprimanded internally, then just convo my CEO. or not.
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Aegis Osiris
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Posted - 2004.11.12 11:43:00 -
[167]
Way to latch on, Ifni. Let me know when your jaw gets tired, we'll give you a break. 
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Aegis Osiris
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Posted - 2004.11.12 11:43:00 -
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Way to latch on, Ifni. Let me know when your jaw gets tired, we'll give you a break.
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Saltire
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Posted - 2004.11.12 14:08:00 -
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Gentlemen, those 3 lines don't, of course, give the whole story. I'm sure Lore had justification for it. You said yourself you were just passing through; for all you know, Iko initiated hostilities. Absence of facts is not evidence
Even tho i was passing thru the system, i did stop at a safe spot near the gate for about 5 minutes to keep tabs on what was going on.
It wasnt one individual making a mistake and accidently killin a neutrel (Oh and of course accidently Podding him too). JQA were there in a Fleet of frigs an cruisers camping the gate like good ole pirates. I think i even made a comment in local about it being a good gank.
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Saltire
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Posted - 2004.11.12 14:08:00 -
[170]
Quote:
Gentlemen, those 3 lines don't, of course, give the whole story. I'm sure Lore had justification for it. You said yourself you were just passing through; for all you know, Iko initiated hostilities. Absence of facts is not evidence
Even tho i was passing thru the system, i did stop at a safe spot near the gate for about 5 minutes to keep tabs on what was going on.
It wasnt one individual making a mistake and accidently killin a neutrel (Oh and of course accidently Podding him too). JQA were there in a Fleet of frigs an cruisers camping the gate like good ole pirates. I think i even made a comment in local about it being a good gank.
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EB Xile
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Posted - 2004.11.13 14:05:00 -
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And now we have a group of pirate corps accusing JQA of ...piracy? With all the "rent a crok belt" scams you've tried to pull, where exactly does your credibility come from anyway? Just shut up and hope the Penguins don't read this. It could get real ugly if they find this thread .
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EB Xile
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Posted - 2004.11.13 14:05:00 -
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And now we have a group of pirate corps accusing JQA of ...piracy? With all the "rent a crok belt" scams you've tried to pull, where exactly does your credibility come from anyway? Just shut up and hope the Penguins don't read this. It could get real ugly if they find this thread .
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CKieschnick
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Posted - 2004.11.13 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: CKieschnick on 13/11/2004 17:09:56
the credit comes from the logs, and you keep saying belt scams the only reason ifni did it was the joy he gets out of it when people join jqa public and ask how much do they charge to mine, as far as credibility is concerned jqa claims the non agressive stance yet it seems they have been slipping, unless of course you can justify them shooting random people please make up more excuses as to why its been happening ALOT lately.
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CKieschnick
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Posted - 2004.11.13 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: CKieschnick on 13/11/2004 17:09:56
the credit comes from the logs, and you keep saying belt scams the only reason ifni did it was the joy he gets out of it when people join jqa public and ask how much do they charge to mine, as far as credibility is concerned jqa claims the non agressive stance yet it seems they have been slipping, unless of course you can justify them shooting random people please make up more excuses as to why its been happening ALOT lately.
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EB Xile
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Posted - 2004.11.14 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: CKieschnick
Edited by: CKieschnick on 13/11/2004 17:09:56
the credit comes from the logs, and you keep saying belt scams the only reason ifni did it was the joy he gets out of it when people join jqa public and ask how much do they charge to mine, as far as credibility is concerned jqa claims the non agressive stance yet it seems they have been slipping, unless of course you can justify them shooting random people please make up more excuses as to why its been happening ALOT lately.
Ok, point me to any alliance in 0.0 who doesn't kill unknowns in or near their space during wartime. You of all people should know why alliances get nervous whenever some noob or one-man corp member shows up and doesn't respond in local.
The nonagressive stance means not going out and looking for wars. Surely even non-agressive alliances need to take lengths to secure their own space.Of course mistakes are made as with all the other alliances, but I'd hardly label JQA as a "pirate" alliance. One thing I guess we'll never know is how many of those "innocent" pilots were actually innocent, and how many had ill intent.
Granted I'm not JQA anymore and I don't hang out in syndi anymore, I know the peeps in JQA and I highly doubt that they have turned to piracy in the month I've been gone.
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EB Xile
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Posted - 2004.11.14 01:03:00 -
[176]
Originally by: CKieschnick
Edited by: CKieschnick on 13/11/2004 17:09:56
the credit comes from the logs, and you keep saying belt scams the only reason ifni did it was the joy he gets out of it when people join jqa public and ask how much do they charge to mine, as far as credibility is concerned jqa claims the non agressive stance yet it seems they have been slipping, unless of course you can justify them shooting random people please make up more excuses as to why its been happening ALOT lately.
Ok, point me to any alliance in 0.0 who doesn't kill unknowns in or near their space during wartime. You of all people should know why alliances get nervous whenever some noob or one-man corp member shows up and doesn't respond in local.
The nonagressive stance means not going out and looking for wars. Surely even non-agressive alliances need to take lengths to secure their own space.Of course mistakes are made as with all the other alliances, but I'd hardly label JQA as a "pirate" alliance. One thing I guess we'll never know is how many of those "innocent" pilots were actually innocent, and how many had ill intent.
Granted I'm not JQA anymore and I don't hang out in syndi anymore, I know the peeps in JQA and I highly doubt that they have turned to piracy in the month I've been gone.
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CKieschnick
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Posted - 2004.11.14 01:42:00 -
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Ok, point me to any alliance in 0.0 who doesn't kill unknowns in or near their space during wartime. You of all people should know why alliances get nervous whenever some noob or one-man corp member shows up and doesn't respond in local.
ok by that definition i then declare that i am an alliance and claim the system i am camping and can kill free and clear, i'm no longer a pirate just defending my system.
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CKieschnick
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Posted - 2004.11.14 01:42:00 -
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Quote:
Ok, point me to any alliance in 0.0 who doesn't kill unknowns in or near their space during wartime. You of all people should know why alliances get nervous whenever some noob or one-man corp member shows up and doesn't respond in local.
ok by that definition i then declare that i am an alliance and claim the system i am camping and can kill free and clear, i'm no longer a pirate just defending my system.
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EB Xile
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Posted - 2004.11.14 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: CKieschnick
Quote:
Ok, point me to any alliance in 0.0 who doesn't kill unknowns in or near their space during wartime. You of all people should know why alliances get nervous whenever some noob or one-man corp member shows up and doesn't respond in local.
ok by that definition i then declare that i am an alliance and claim the system i am camping and can kill free and clear, i'm no longer a pirate just defending my system.
You can try and claim whatever you want. Hell, I claim that all space is my space, and therefore I can kill anyone I see. My best friend claims to be the most unlucky person on earth, and my dog claims every tree he sees when I walk him in the morning. Now I'm hearing that you guys aren't pirates? lol, I'm about to fall out of my seat.
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EB Xile
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Posted - 2004.11.14 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: CKieschnick
Quote:
Ok, point me to any alliance in 0.0 who doesn't kill unknowns in or near their space during wartime. You of all people should know why alliances get nervous whenever some noob or one-man corp member shows up and doesn't respond in local.
ok by that definition i then declare that i am an alliance and claim the system i am camping and can kill free and clear, i'm no longer a pirate just defending my system.
You can try and claim whatever you want. Hell, I claim that all space is my space, and therefore I can kill anyone I see. My best friend claims to be the most unlucky person on earth, and my dog claims every tree he sees when I walk him in the morning. Now I'm hearing that you guys aren't pirates? lol, I'm about to fall out of my seat.
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