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Wacktopia
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2012.05.24 13:34:00 -
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Pretty sure CCP have a hidden agenda on this change.
The idea of having allies, on the face of it, sounds cool but this implementation is too crazy not to have been thought through.
The only reason I can think of that CCP allowed allies to join the defender for free is because they want to phase out hi-sec PvP but are too chicken **** to stand up and say it.
CCP: Fix Inferno war decs - Allies should not be free. |
Wacktopia
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2012.05.24 13:49:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:That is why I really don't care of the views of say Noir or other so called big name mercs. Your game is PVP and you have the numbers and strict organization to stand a remote chance. You aren't a player and 6 of his buddies that quit eve after a war goes into another week of staying docked due to constant red presence. Atleast not until today.
I kind of agree with you in that a guy and 6 of his buddies might not know what to do when a 20man PvP gang war-decs them and shows up outside station. I've always been of the mind that "eve is hard" and not everyone is cut out for this. That said, I also quite like the idea that if you are war-decced you can counter by getting allies.
However, the massive and obvious thing CCP have missed is that by making Allies potentially 'free' and 'unlimited' it completely ruins the whole system. This is the point of contention.
It seems that you are arguing from a point of not wanting war decs to work at all in high-sec? Which, I hope, is not in line with CCP's thinking (I hope).
P.S FYI, we are not a blobbing outfit but you're correct on the strict organization.
CCP: Fix Inferno war decs.-áAllies should not be free and unlimited. -á-á |
Wacktopia
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2012.05.24 16:28:00 -
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Mercurio Ogeraurhirhe wrote:I think the system would be greatly improved if you could call aonly one ally. Be it a free blood-hunter or a serious profesional merc, your decision.
Or if you are an ally you can only be an ally on one war at a time.
Otherwise, to be honest, hi-sec wars become pretty pointless. Makes me wonder whether this is just what CCP were really after all alone.
Loads of marketing BS about how inferno is going to bring WAR and CONFLICT to EVE and all it really did was the beginning of the end of hi-sec wars. Pfft.
CCP: Fix Inferno war decs.-áAllies should not be free and unlimited. -á-á |
Wacktopia
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2012.05.27 23:05:00 -
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Takara Mora wrote:Wacktopia wrote:Pretty sure CCP have a hidden agenda on this change.
The idea of having allies, on the face of it, sounds cool but this implementation is too crazy not to have been thought through.
The only reason I can think of that CCP allowed allies to join the defender for free and without limit is because they want to phase out hi-sec PvP but are too chicken **** to stand up and say it. Hmmmm interesting ... finally a reason for people to go to losec and nullsec .... PvP ... what a novel idea.
So you agree with my suggestion that CCP did this to effectively render wars in hi sec pointless?
How about this scenario; A big, null sec alliance "A" is fighting a null sec war with another "B". A wants to cut off B's hi-sec operations by war dec'ing them and paying a big fee to do so. B starts hiring allies (possibly for free) and suddenly B alliance has a massive upper hand by doing nothing. To make it worse, A cannot counter-hire allies for love nor money.
^ This is totally screwed!
CCP: Fix Inferno war decs.-áAllies should not be free and unlimited. -á-á |
Wacktopia
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2012.05.30 02:18:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Adriel Malakai wrote:
B) It's worth being a merc and having people actually pay you to defend them, rather than everyone running around doing it for free?
Welcome to the free market of EVE. There are no guaranteed income sources and not all actors are rational. Now you understand how industrialists feel about the MIMAF crowd (Minerals I Mine Are Free).
You're so far off the mark here. Anyone who's been a merc will tell you that it's not the quickest way to get rich by a mile. If it was about the ISK then players would just do incursions instead or whatever.
The reason why the current iteration of the ally system makes no sense is because it is geared up completely to dissuade players from running a war dec for any reason. See my post on this or the previous page with the example of two alliances - it shows you just how broken the system is.
There are some really simple fixes, for example the defence ally fee could be subject to the cost of the war plus whatever the ally chooses to charge if anything - meaning wars would be more cost-stable.
The truth is that CCP rail-roaded in a war change they hoped would help protect whining bears and they ended up creating a loophole even worse than the "dec shield".
What's really galling thing is how this pill was sugared as we were all told about how great the new system would be for mercs. Ironically this could not have been further from the truth.
CCP: Fix Inferno war decs.-áAllies should not be free and unlimited. -á-á |
Wacktopia
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2012.06.01 21:43:00 -
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Adriel Malakai wrote:Still no response? Awesome.
There is this...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1400252#post1400252
CCP: Fix Inferno war decs.-áAllies should not be free and unlimited. -á-á |
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