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Vixel Caldari Eclipse Industrials Hellstrome Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.23 18:39:00 - [1] So, i've been looking into getting myself a small ship to do lone wolf and small gang PVP in. I looked at HAC's, and since I don't have skills to fly one (will have them in 45days) I decided not to go with them. Looked at others like Interceptors (dont put out nearly enough damage) and battlecruisers (Brutix is a gankmobile, just to slow.) So that left me with just about 1 option, the Assault Ship. So my question is can the Assault Ship be considered as the anti everything except for a HAC/Battlecruiser + sized ships? Personally I think it is because, 1 it is fast, 2 can dish about 250 DPS. Thats a frigate, putting out 250 DPS. Third, it has enough utility slots to fit a tank, speed mods, scram, guns, and then a cloak or nos in one of the high slots. Correct me if i'm wrong but... Assault Ship (if flown correctly) = ultimate small gang warfare anti everything smaller than a battlecruiser scout utility vessel?
Kane Starkiller	Posted - 2009.06.23 18:49:00 - [2] Assault frigs will kill other frigs without any problems, but the AB fit ones will die to cruisers quickly. I started flying the Ishkur a while back and was quite impressed at the dps of such a small frig. Now it's rusting as I've realized that my MWD Vexor is faster, has more dps and a lot more EHP and is cheaper. And this goes with most assault frigs too: Wolf < Rupture Jag < Stabber Enyo < Thorax Ishkur < Vexor Harpy < Moa ( I think, I don't know a lot about Caldari ships ) Hawk < LOL and the Amarr AFs just suck for PVP. BTW Both the Ranis and Cader can get close to if not higher dps figures than most of the AF's listed here, they just have no tank to speak of.
BiggestT Caldari Oz Space Diggers	Posted - 2009.06.23 18:52:00 - [3] Originally by: Kane Starkiller Hawk < LOL
Dengen Krastinov Vengeance Imperium	Posted - 2009.06.23 18:53:00 - [4] Originally by: Vixel So, i've been looking into getting myself a small ship to do lone wolf and small gang PVP in. I looked at HAC's, and since I don't have skills to fly one (will have them in 45days) I decided not to go with them. Looked at others like Interceptors (dont put out nearly enough damage) and battlecruisers (Brutix is a gankmobile, just to slow.) So that left me with just about 1 option, the Assault Ship. So my question is can the Assault Ship be considered as the anti everything except for a HAC/Battlecruiser + sized ships? Personally I think it is because, 1 it is fast, 2 can dish about 250 DPS. Thats a frigate, putting out 250 DPS. Third, it has enough utility slots to fit a tank, speed mods, scram, guns, and then a cloak or nos in one of the high slots. Correct me if i'm wrong but... Assault Ship (if flown correctly) = ultimate small gang warfare anti everything smaller than a battlecruiser scout utility vessel? No, your question is too open ended. Its not anything like you stated. It all depends on the AF you flying and what your opponent is flying. You can kickass with it against noobs and can go down in a ball of flame against a well piloted t1 cruiser. Some AFs are alright , some arnt worth flying, ever.
Vixel Caldari Eclipse Industrials Hellstrome Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.23 18:55:00 - [5] Hmm, thats right I was looking into a Vexor the other day and it did look like it was a bit better than the Enyo. (the ship i was looking into.) Its either a Vexor or a Thorax or Enyo for me right now, have to decide which one i want to buy. Thanks for the help i guess lol
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.06.23 19:07:00 - [6] Originally by: Vixel Hmm, thats right I was looking into a Vexor the other day and it did look like it was a bit better than the Enyo. (the ship i was looking into.) Its either a Vexor or a Thorax or Enyo for me right now, have to decide which one i want to buy. Thanks for the help i guess lol Short Answer: Vexor. Long Answer: Buy a Vexor.
Krell Thannar Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.06.23 19:18:00 - [7] For the lone wolf stuff, go with a Vexor. It has good versatility. For small gang, you can stick with the Vexor, or you can hop over to the Thorax. This will give you a taste of different styles of fighting that are available to you as a Gallente pilot. I'd suggest not messing with Assault Frigates until you can start affording to lose a few of them. They can be unforgiving due to their base class, and honestly, I would only fly them in a small gang.
MadAtTheWorld	Posted - 2009.06.23 19:22:00 - [8] first of all, anyone who says AF's w/o a mwd will die to any cruiser has no clue what they are talking about. i destroy cruisers with an ab fit wolf every day, you simply need to employ the right tactics to fit the situation, even if that means running away from time to time. i fly AF's all the time and i can tell you they are great fun. that said, i will confess that they do need some kind of small buff to make them a bit more useful. the people on these forums crack me up. always talking about "what ship/fitting is best", or "i'll pwn that ship in mine". opinions are like a**holes, everybody has one. the bottom line is this: fly what you think is fun, thats it. if you want to try AF's then more power to ya.
Poses	Posted - 2009.06.23 19:52:00 - [9] Originally by: MadAtTheWorld first of all, anyone who says AF's w/o a mwd will die to any cruiser has no clue what they are talking about. i destroy cruisers with an ab fit wolf every day, you simply need to employ the right tactics to fit the situation, even if that means running away from time to time. i fly AF's all the time and i can tell you they are great fun. that said, i will confess that they do need some kind of small buff to make them a bit more useful. the people on these forums crack me up. always talking about "what ship/fitting is best", or "i'll pwn that ship in mine". opinions are like aholes, everybody has one. the bottom line is this: fly what you think is fun, thats it. if you want to try AF's then more power to ya. you sir clearly don't understand game mechanics! clearly the M in mwd stands for manditory! And ** anyone who says otherwise /sarcasm... hides AB triple rep myrm
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.06.23 19:56:00 - [10] Did you overlook T1 cruisers on purpose? Get a thorax, vexor, arbitrator, or rupture and be done with it. I like the vexor, arbi, and rupture more because they have a utility high slot (or two!) for a medium neut (or two small neuts) which do very bad things to AB/web/scram AFs that like to get under your guns. Capped out by neuts, with the cruiser MWDing away to lower transversal, and taking heavy fire from cruiser guns, an AF isn't going to last very long, and that's in 1v1s. In gangs an AF won't be able to keep up transversal against more than one or two ships. I am not a fan of AFs, they are imho overpriced for what they do. Every time I fly an AF I find myself wishing I were flying an equivalent T1 cruiser. They are good for pretty much trashing other frigates and can sometimes hold their own against cruisers but that's about it. __________________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Sun Clausewitz	Posted - 2009.06.23 20:01:00 - [11] I only whip my AF out when I am stuck on lvl1 missions for a new corporation
Thercon Jair Minmatar Nex Exercitus Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.06.23 20:27:00 - [12] You can usually safely engage any cruiser/BC in an AF, it just takes some time to kill. And, don't engage things with multiple waves of drones. An AF can tank 5 light drones and take them out, then concentrate on the ship. It's just: you need time to kill a BC and that means you need to be sure there's no reinforcements close by. Also, keep away from Vagabonds, even if you switch off their MWD their speed usually carries them far away past you to have transversal nicely drop for him to kill you. And, as a small question: last time I was killed by 5 warrior IIs because I couldn't hit them. I was never unable to hit them (no, I don't use barrage for that). Looked as if their MWD didn't switch off and they were just buzzing around me, hitting me, while I didn't hit them Bug?
Kessiaan Minmatar MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.06.23 20:40:00 - [13] Assault ships are good in situations where mobility is a primary concern. AFs are not good gang ships (except in frig gangs and occasionally as a heavy tackler). AFs are not solopwn mobiles. AFs do occupy the spot between frigs and cruisers quite nicely - certainly better than destroyers do. They're mobile like frigs and can spew out near-cruiser level DPS. But they're also expensive and situational - there is no such thing as a 'generic' AF fit that's good in all situations. You have to pick your fights carefully, else you'll just die. A lot. As a class AFs are pretty good now. I like what CCP has done with them - you can tell almost instantly who can't fly small ships worth a **** by just looking at their attitudes toward AFs .
Lucian Mortimer	Posted - 2009.06.23 21:40:00 - [14] Originally by: Kessiaan As a class AFs are pretty good now. I like what CCP has done with them - you can tell almost instantly who can't fly small ships worth a **** by looking at their attitudes toward AFs. QFT
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.06.23 21:44:00 - [15] Originally by: Kessiaan As a class AFs are pretty good now. I like what CCP has done with them - you can tell almost instantly who can't fly small ships worth a **** by just looking at their attitudes toward AFs . Confirming I can't fly small ships worth a damn
SuiJuris	Posted - 2009.06.23 22:20:00 - [16] Edited by: SuiJuris on 23/06/2009 22:20:33 AF's are kind of like a slight upgrade on Destroyers, slightly less dps double the EHP and half the Sig radius. Er atleast thats the relationship between the Harpy / Cormorant and the Retribution /Coercer
Dodgy Past	Posted - 2009.06.23 22:31:00 - [17] If I wasn't Amarr I'd give them a go. Though they do end up influencing your choices, since instead my plan is full of stuff to make the most out of an Arbitrator.
Zanon Xiu SniggWaffe	Posted - 2009.06.24 02:02:00 - [18] Originally by: Vixel So, i've been looking into getting myself a small ship to do lone wolf and small gang PVP in. I looked at HAC's, and since I don't have skills to fly one (will have them in 45days) I decided not to go with them. Looked at others like Interceptors (dont put out nearly enough damage) and battlecruisers (Brutix is a gankmobile, just to slow.) So that left me with just about 1 option, the Assault Ship. So my question is can the Assault Ship be considered as the anti everything except for a HAC/Battlecruiser + sized ships? Personally I think it is because, 1 it is fast, 2 can dish about 250 DPS. Thats a frigate, putting out 250 DPS. Third, it has enough utility slots to fit a tank, speed mods, scram, guns, and then a cloak or nos in one of the high slots. Correct me if i'm wrong but... Assault Ship (if flown correctly) = ultimate small gang warfare anti everything smaller than a battlecruiser scout utility vessel? You need to specify more on where you plan to pvp. If you decide lowsec, the af is a poor choice around stations and gates due to gate guns. Infact the vexor is horribad around stations and gates as the gate duns **** drones and then some. If you plan for high sec wars, lowsec exlusive to belts or 0.0 afs and vexors are pretty darn sweet. In lowsec just keep an eye who your target is, if its not red your gonna get those gate guns blazing on you the moment you fire.
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.06.24 03:31:00 - [19] I'd never take an AF unless you planned on fitting a 2pt and MWD to catch zoomy-zoomy ships. Other than that, prepare to get killed by anything that's a T1 Cruiser or larger For everything else, get a T1 Cruiser.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.06.24 03:53:00 - [20] The truth is not the black and white that some people think: they're good ships, but not solo pwnmobiles. The main drawback to them is between people starting to fly them more frequently and the general T2 price increase, they're now so expensive that it's hard to justify buying one. -----------
AstroPhobic Astrophobics Anonymous	Posted - 2009.06.24 04:23:00 - [21] I have a pretty nicely fitted wolf that eats combat inties for breakfast. It's not so much that it's incredibly useful, but it sure is sexy. Align times and sig radius makes it a good candidate for solo roams in low sec. They do nice dps for their size and can ne downright annoying when AB fit and have the sig radius of a grape. For most purposes though, a well fitted cruiser does the job better and cheaper.
Panzram GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.24 05:38:00 - [22] the wolf is ok

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