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Posted - 2009.06.29 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Zuhlaetah Quote:
And while you're on the topic of "zero risk", what risks are there in ganking mining barges and exhumers in a scenario where you know you're going to get blown up by CONCORD anyway?
Like they don't know what to do to not trigger concord response despite aggressing.
Do you REALLY believe anyone of the "many hulks killed" are actually coping with the single downside of that, security loss? No, there are multiple ways to kill them and lose minimal standing at all, it's how it's done.
I call BS. We are talking Suicide Ganking of hulks - you trigger CONCORD. We aren't talking can-flipping, which by the way, the miner deserves to lose his nice shiny t2 exhumer if he falls for a can flipper. Suiciding a miner costs security standing - no ifs ands or buts - it is an unprovoked attack subject to CONCORD (i.e. game) rules.
Originally by: Zuhlaetah
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The main problem as i see it is the t2 miners- ie hulk- are fit for mining and only mining. Seriously would it kill them to fit a tank
Because even fully mining fitted they earn a QUARTER of the second-last worst profession?
Nice, then give mining ships 3-4 more high slots and the grid to sustain a real tank?
The problem with giving mining ships 3-4 more high slots and grid to sustain a tank is 1). highs don't help you tank, and 2). a miner will STILL fill it with stuff to improve his yield and forgo a tank. It is the "herd mentality" solution to risk vs. reward. Miners see it as: "if I can run my mining op XX out of YY times without getting ganked (i.e. they gank someone else in the herd), than it is more ISK to just forget the tank".
Originally by: Zuhlaetah
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If you are playing the game- PLAY THE GAME If you fly a t2 expensive ship- realize that you are flying a mostly uninsurable ship. Im sorry if game mechanics prevent you from doing whatever you want, how you want, when you want.
A barge is crap and will be targetted even more. Same fitting required (covetor) but a fraction of the HP. Losing the ship and having to find another and the always scarce or thief costly modules is the factor, not the < 100M. Using a barge won't fix this.
Obviously flawed logic is obvious. 1) If a Hulk and a Covetor are presented to a ganker in a belt, the HUlk will get targeted over the Covertor 100% of the time: the Hulk has a greater chance of being pimped out and/or being flown by a macroer
2). If the "Same fitting required (covertor) but a fraction of the HP." and "Defensless regardless of any other factor" than flying a covetor is logical because your LOSS to a gank is less with a barge (insurance) than with an exhumer (uninsured). You are simply refusing to recognize that it isn't the ship that is foremost in the miners thoughts, it is the ISK/hour. You WANT to fly a Hulk because it makes more ISK, but the game mechanics means the finacial loss is more. So your plan if action is NERF!!
Originally by: Zuhlaetah
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And besides that check out the whole security status issue they have to deal with.
Read above: those who do it in a professional way can avoid the security status issue in several ways.
Name it or it doesn't happen. Unprovoked attack = CONCORD security loss defined by the security status of the system it occured in. You take several sec hits and then you go off and work your security status back up to do it again. Rinse and repeat: there is no minimizing it.
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