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ArcDragon
Caldari
FUSION INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2009.06.27 02:20:00 -
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I have compiled everything I know (and everything you know, too) about wormholes to include four different threads originated by me totaling more than 50,000 hits. All threads were revamped and clarified as well as spell checked. All work with the guide and the facts to include verification, editing and posting is my own except where credit is given. The guide has a linked Table of Contents as well as some illustrations.
ò The purpose of this guide is to take players who know little or nothing about Wormholes (also referred to as W-spaces and holes) or POS setup and defense to the point of being able to select, move in and stay in their Wspace.
ò Wormhole tactics will also be covered and will include information on how to take advantage of your island among the stars. It will not cover full explanations on how the game mechanics allow or will not allow certain things to happen as that would make the guide too vague or bloated to be useful.
ò It is not the intent of this guide to explain all the details about the numerous menus and submenus of POSs themselves but rather the strengths and weaknesses of various POS modules and why they work or do not work for wormholes.
ò The majority of this guide is from my own experience from running a wormhole-based corporation in a Class 5 (Fusion Industries). There is also a good portion that was derived from numerous other players and they have my full thanks and appreciation.
ò As with all Eve guides and advice, feel free to ignore what you want at your own peril.
Hosting is provided by my wife who lets me stay up all night playing Eve, YOUR THE BEST, LOVE!
Current version is 1.01
Link to the PDF version.
Partial Change Log:
v1.01
Corrected minor type-o's and grammar errors. Clarified some tactics and changed all but one picture due to not being able to track its origins.
Initial Release 6/26/09 |
ArcDragon
Caldari
FUSION INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2009.06.27 13:44:00 -
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I wish I could give credit, I'd give a whole page to it, but the task is enormous, there are over 200 replies. Out of those replies, some are worthless, some are good. Out of those that are good, some were confirmation of what was already known and posted, others were genuinely helpful.
If anyone wishes to go through them and compile a list of names that were reasonably helpful, I'll put them in with no problem. |
ArcDragon
Caldari
FUSION INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2009.06.29 15:06:00 -
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Yeah, I read those notes 2 days ago and was very happy about the POS setup times...and then I realized I'd have to push out a new version like just a matter of days after it launched!
I do plan on making those revisions as well as some others, thanks!
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ArcDragon
Caldari
FUSION INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2009.06.29 19:59:00 -
[4]
TY Jarvis, I added a few paragraphs on those subjects, I'm just waiting for some more radar data to come in as it looks like they bumbed up the drops from them by a factor of 10!
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ArcDragon
Caldari
FUSION INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2009.06.30 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: ArcDragon on 30/06/2009 16:45:27
Feedback here is most welcome.
The premature imploding wormhole phenominon is not unknown. CCP contends that all wormholes are "unstable" and therefore the mechanic is correct. This, however, is what CCP's left hand is telling us, the right hand is the one that knows if it is a bug or not. I am of the opinion that it is a bug or if it is not a bug then it should be removed as a mechanic, remove it or remove the wormhole descriptions you see with a show info as they mean nothing. I hesitate to put a blurb about that in there because the jury is still out on it. Could be awhile too.
As for the rarity of a static direct to high sec wormhole, I have not laid eyes on one, but that means nothing as it takes awhile to figure that out. As far as I know, there are no statistics on such a question, but if you find one, it will indeed be a very valuable asset! You'll have to be on your guard a lot, but it would be very useful.
Weebil wrote a guide more geared towards young/starter corps going for class 1 through 3. It is in the missions and complex thread and is linked here. I might see if he wishes to include it into the guide, or I might go ahead and write out a cheap quick and dirty way of moving in.
Thanks for the feedback all, keep it coming.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
FUSION INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2009.07.01 02:46:00 -
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Updated to 1.02.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
FUSION INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2009.07.01 13:54:00 -
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That has been asked before Zeepbel, we can only piece it together like this:
If you are in a Wspace and you hit a wormhole on your scanner then your half of the wormhole is now definatly in existance. When you warp to it it will have a designation that is NOT K162. Another point is that when you look at it, it has the COLOR of the destination system it leads to. The color is always correct. On top of that Eve knows to say if it leads to dangerous, known, unknown etc space. So, from YOUR end, it seems that the wormhole is complete.
Here is where it gets a little murky. If all wormholes were complete and every Wspace has at least one static wormhole (2499 Wspaces) then what are the odds that your wormhole will have only your static wormhole for days on end? It is statistically possible, just not probable.
We do know that once a ship goes through the newly found wormhole that a K162 appears in the destination Wspace.
So here is the rub, unless you have someone in the destination Wspace at exactly the point where the K162 will open up and that guy coordinates with the guy that found the original end of the same wormhole to say, "Yeah, I see it right now and you have not even gone through it yet!" then we can never fully answer your question.
What you need is to be in the right spot at the right time and wittness a K162 opening up WITHOUT a ship appearing within, say 1 minute of it opening.
OR YOU COULD sleep with a developer or programmer and use a soft tickly feather to find out your answer! I'd do that.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
FUSION INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2009.07.01 17:35:00 -
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I'd rather try to sleep with female employees.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
The Hole Patrol
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Posted - 2009.07.02 20:44:00 -
[9]
Updated to 1.03
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ArcDragon
Caldari
The Hole Patrol
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Posted - 2009.07.09 18:11:00 -
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Pulled 2.1 Billion from two core mag sites and 1 radar frontier site in a C5 completed within 4 hours. WOOOT!
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ArcDragon
Caldari
The Hole Patrol
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Posted - 2009.07.16 20:51:00 -
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/bump
Next update will be to add how to take down a POS properly :)
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ArcDragon
Caldari
The Hole Patrol
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Posted - 2009.07.26 06:50:00 -
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Pushed out v1.04, see partial change log for details.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
The Hole Patrol
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Posted - 2009.07.26 17:10:00 -
[13]
I really do appreciate the compliments!
The website now has version 1.04.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
The Hole Patrol
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2009.07.30 14:47:00 -
[14]
/bump because I still see questions being asked in these forums that are explicitly covered in this guide.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
The Hole Patrol
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2009.07.31 13:20:00 -
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Using 3 battleships with T2 fittings in a class 3 is about as low as you want to cut it. If you get into faction fits or T2 ships then you can do C3 with less ships.
For a Class 4 I seriously doubt 3 RR T2 fitted regular battleships will do. You should try 5 or so battleships at least.
I will add an outline of how to fight sleepers with a RR gang as that is the ONLY way we do it. No ETA on that though, my wife is coming to town today and I'll be....busy.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
The Hole Patrol
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2009.08.02 18:22:00 -
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Your POS will generate an "under attack" evemail once every hour. You will also get kill mails from it.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
The Hole Patrol
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2009.08.14 18:04:00 -
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Working on version 1.05.
Any requests on what to add?
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ArcDragon
Caldari
The Hole Patrol
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:39:00 -
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/bump because people are still asking questions that are answered here.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
The Hole Patrol
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2009.08.31 20:02:00 -
[19]
Spruced up the website a little.
Added several sections.
This will most likely be my last update for awhile.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
The Hole Patrol
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2009.09.01 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: ArcDragon on 01/09/2009 14:41:03
I've got some experience about using Chimera's in WHs alright :)
Yes, we too employ a drone assembly array to keep up with drone losses. We can loose 200-700 heavy drones on a nice C5 magnetic site. We only use T1s to cut down on the expense of loosing so many drones. Even with 4-6 battleships helping we can go through 300 or so drones easily. So, in short, make them yourselves and use only T1s.
You can do sites solo in a Chimera due to an excellent personal tank, but you spawn those extra 6 sleepers which (when I was doing solo in carrier) will eat up more than 40,000m3 of drones! You can forget using fighters at all as just 2 sleeper BS's will near insta pop a fighter.
And something I have just recently discovered: The power or Triage mode. HOOLY COW. It's powerful. I highly recommend you train for it.
3 days ago four of us decided to do a core garrison site in our own C5 wormhole. A chimera and 3 battleships. Using triage mode for the initial 20-30 minutes we were doing fine. Then along came a gang of 13-15 hostiles! With triage mode in that carrier I was able to keep 3 battleships and myself alive even with 2 sleeper battleships and 5 sleeper cruisers attacking us on top of the 13-15 other players! In the end, they neuted the carriers capacitor and we all went down. I'm still recovering from that one.
Do not under estimate the lure of a carrier kill. These guys came from 2 wormholes over to find us and then mounted an attack in our home system with more than 2 POSs. So, if you are going to use a carrier I highly recommend never failing procedures such as choking the wormholes for protection. The second you let up on security is the second some jackass with a heron will find you and call his bored-ass mates to come and ruin your day!
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ArcDragon
Caldari
The Hole Patrol
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Posted - 2009.09.01 14:42:00 -
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Rocky: The wormhole already exists before you scan it. What's in question is does its exit exist before you go through it.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
The Hole Patrol
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2009.09.01 17:59:00 -
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You are absolutley right Herzog. We had not been attack in that hole for more than 4 months and got just got complacent. The irony of writing the book on it and still getting whacked does not escape me :)
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ArcDragon
Caldari
The Hole Patrol
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2009.11.07 14:51:00 -
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I have been called to active duty and I am currently deployed. I have been for months now. I do not have internet access due to enemy activity so the Hole Patrol is NOT currently recruiting as the guide says. I am unable to push out a new version.
Stay Frosty guys/gals.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
The Hole Patrol
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2009.12.16 18:42:00 -
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bump, because 22 thousand hits cant be wrong!
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2009.12.31 16:09:00 -
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Made all of the grammer fixes, thanks Wizz! Changed it from 7% to 10%, thanks ReguIator!
Making a version that will be readable via the IGB. Ok, maybe the wife is instead...
If there is anything you guys/gals want to add, pls be specific with fixes/grammer errors as well as what you want added in. I figure maybe within a week I will have the new version out.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.02.06 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: ArcDragon on 06/02/2010 00:04:18
I sincerely apprectiate the kudos, tyvm!
In answering the BS spawns due to capital ships warping to the sleeper site grid the second capital should make the total 14 sleeper battleships. That would mean 6, then 8. It is a rare bird that anyone would do this as 14 of these mean BSs would take down all but the most prepared ships, so data on this comes from less than a handful of players claiming to have done it.
If I recall correctly, as there are 4 or 5 threads containing hundreds of entries now, it goes 6, 8,8,8...
Most players prefer to put one capital on grid, kill the 6 and then bring in the second capital. Two capitals PLUS a support fleet handle these sites quite well. The trick is to survive the first 6 as they can crack a Chimera.
As to the damage these bastards inflict, it can be jaw dropping when you get primaried. I put in a ballpark figure in the guide but if you are wanting better, then the way I would do it would be to make ONE resist 0%, say EM. Their weapons do omni damage but their missiles do two types and thier guns do the other two. When you have one resist at zero this makes backing out the original damage amount eaiser.
You'd have to check your combat logs that (I think) are in a text file in your eve documents folder. Scan through it and make note of which weapon is hitting you and start from there.
The formulas for calculating damage have more than just 2 or even 3 variables in them. You will not get the exact original amount of damage unless you find these equations posted on the internet somewhere (at one time they were). Who knows if theyare still accurate.
Most players use something like eve survial that gives a ballpark figure on dps, like 2500dps for some level 5 missions. I know they can eat up 15000 shields with 80-90 resists accros the board faster than a non triaged carrier can target them (C5 wh).
Another thing players want to know is sleeper resists. The 70/70/70/70 resist was arrived at by a clever player who's name I can not remember atm. He used smartbombs. One of each damage type and back out the resists that way. Smart bombs do not have a whole lot of variables. I do not think he did this for all classes of wormholes, however. If anyone wishes to experiment to find more accurate or even confirm sleeper damage resists, that would be lovely.
My wife is still working on the in game version of the guide as her webdesign business is peaking at the moment. She also started to play Eve! Her name is Lex Divinia if you want to tell her how lovely she is.
I am still deployed and I am currently sharing a satelite 512K connection with about 50 others, so I play at night with a lag that would make you cry. And yes, my body armor is always close because playing Eve while wearing armor is freakin cool!
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.03.21 19:01:00 -
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Bump/ Added new in game browser to a new website.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.04.07 09:49:00 -
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/Bump
I'll be coming home soon, this means I could actually PLAY Eve soon!
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.04.12 13:04:00 -
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Bump, cuz I can.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.04.14 04:11:00 -
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Thinking about adding a short section on scanning, as well as ship setups.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.04.18 05:14:00 -
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Working on scanning section and ship setup section, God help me on the ship setup section....
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.04.19 10:53:00 -
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The ship fit section is watered down in my opinion, but to do it proper would take a complete guide unto itself, and you'd never hear the end of it.
It's all done. The scanning section assumes prior experience and simply walks you through scanning tricks and highlights. The guide won't tell you where the scan button is but it will tell you all you need to know about wormholes and then some.
I'll be bumping this thread every now and again.
Version 1.07 will be posted within 48 hours or so, depending on the wife's mood!
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.04.20 13:47:00 -
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Documents changed to v1.07. Online version will be updated later...probably much later.
Anticipate a German translated version of 1.06 to be available sometime in the future as well.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.04.26 06:00:00 -
[34]
/bump
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.05.01 08:38:00 -
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Nope, I can see you are correct. The reason that mistake got through is that at the time I was not able to pilot an Orca. Therefore the details that I should have known, the ore hold (which was not around at the time of publishing) and the corp hangar holding ore were left out of the example.
I think I will leave it in as is. Reason being is that once an orca pilot has read this guide and thinks to himself as you did, then the example does what it was meant to do, which is to show how to calculate the best ship for the job. An orca pilot will eventually see that cargo space was omited and will know how to calculate the correct ratios.
At this time I do not forsee pushing out any more version, but if there is, I will consider using more accurate numbers.
The only reason I might hesitate to use an Orca to go through a hole is that the mass would have a greater impact on the stability of the wormhole. You might want to put smaller ships through to maintain more control over the shrinking of the hole. Other than that, great catch on finding the error!
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.05.29 03:23:00 -
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/bump
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.05.31 19:12:00 -
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/bump
Anyone got a spare C6 wormhole lying around?
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.06.06 07:29:00 -
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Have not seen any mystery dungeons yet myself, but I have not been looking either.
This is a partially camoflou... bump too!
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
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Posted - 2010.07.01 19:21:00 -
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/bump
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
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Posted - 2010.07.06 04:30:00 -
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/bump
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.07.09 01:09:00 -
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/bump
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.07.31 03:55:00 -
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/bump
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.08.13 04:36:00 -
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If anyone still reads this far down, can someone confirm or deny capital ship escalation in a C4 wormhole?
I am pretty sure it will not, but I am in no position to test.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.10.09 20:18:00 -
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Thanks Mini, I have visions of a revamp to fix the broken links, ad PI as it pertains to holes, and I will go over this thread with a fine tooth comb.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.10.30 23:54:00 -
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/bump
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.12.04 06:53:00 -
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/bump from Rocket City, Afghanistan!
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ArcDragon
Caldari
The Hole Patrol
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Posted - 2010.12.16 15:37:00 -
[47]
/bump!
PS: 500lb bombds ARE LOUD.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
The Hole Patrol
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Posted - 2010.12.30 14:12:00 -
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/bump
anybody got some good internet they can put in a box for me??
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
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Posted - 2011.01.10 08:50:00 -
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/bump
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
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Posted - 2011.01.11 04:15:00 -
[50]
Added Planetary Interaction and proofed the entire document. Fixed broken links as well, TY guys for the feedback, I can't always see the errors.
PS: Yes, there is a rickroll in this version.
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ArcDragon
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Ghost Data
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Posted - 2011.01.13 16:10:00 -
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shameless bump.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2011.01.25 12:04:00 -
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Even more shamless of a bump right here, yup.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
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Posted - 2011.01.26 07:31:00 -
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Edited by: ArcDragon on 26/01/2011 07:33:10
Please elaborate, list the errors for me and I'll do my best to correct them.
List what information you think is missing and I'll consider adding them.
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ArcDragon
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Ghost Data
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Posted - 2011.02.20 06:12:00 -
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/bump for the 6 wh questions on the first page of the forums today.
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ArcDragon
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Ghost Data
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Posted - 2011.03.12 08:05:00 -
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/bump
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
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Posted - 2011.04.26 15:21:00 -
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/bump
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
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Posted - 2011.06.19 07:59:00 -
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/bump
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2011.06.20 05:01:00 -
[58]
/bump again.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:34:00 -
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/bump
about to deploy again.
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
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Posted - 2011.07.30 18:26:00 -
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/bump
still deployed.
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ArcDragon
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Ghost Data
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Posted - 2011.08.04 13:02:00 -
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/bump
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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
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Posted - 2011.08.09 00:55:00 -
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/bump
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