I've seen this argument used a dozen times by Goons and it doesn't fly with me. That's the thing - the leader of the EVE Uni wouldn't have called for people to encourage someone to commit suicide. He didn't call for people to encourage someone to commit suicide - Mittens did. You can get into all these hypotheticals until the sun turns black and it won't make a bit of difference - it was Mittens that did it, and it was Mittens that got punished for it. To be honest, I think he got off incredibly lightly for a man who was essentially implying that a living human being should be encouraged to end their own existence - a 30-day ban and forced resignation from one CSM is an incredibly lenient punishment when I personally know people who've been permabanned for less.

Here's a hypothetical question for you - if the offending person had been a member of Raiden. or NCDot, or a large hi-sec alliance... no, wait! I've got the perfect example. What if it had been Jade Constantine? I don't think there's a single member of Goonswarm who likes Jade Constantine. Jade seems like an excellent person for this hypothetical.

What if it had been Jade Constantine who had done what Mittens did? Would Goons be so quick to leap to Jade Constantine's defense if he'd violated the EULA in such a manner? Would the Goons be clamouring for him to be allowed to stand on the next CSM, or would they be calling for a permaban? Or would they just not care?

So, you essentially agree with me? All I ever stated was that the majority of the people gunning after Mittens did it because they see him and GSF as internet spaceship satan.

I never once argued that Mittens didn't step over the line or that he should get off without some sort of punishment.

As for Jade, I'm so glad you put words in my mouth of what I would or would not do.

Personally I have no issues with him, and on occasion do get a laugh at how well he sometimes baits people. I can't say for certain what I would or would not do, but I wouldn't use a highsec ice miner as an excuse to go after him. I have no doubt that there would be some people gunning for Jade, but you certainly wouldn't have seen it in the numbers of people who went after Mittens nor would you see a majority of the same people attacking Mittens attacking Jade, which is the only point I'm really trying to make.

You heard it here first folks. Andreus Ixiris thinks Mittani should have been executed for doing something dumb.

The abysmal way Goons act towards others

Just to throw it in there, Goons were hated on from day 1 of them coming to EVE, so their behavior to people who are not their friends is a result of the obvious us vs them attitude that was forced on them in the antiquity of EVE.

I completely disagree.

I believe that Issler should stay on the CSM as she provides great comedy value.

Yes she is possibly the worst ever CSM Member, yes she has no clue what so ever, yes she continuously makes a complete and utter fool out herself, yes she continues to show a total lack of understanding about game mechanics.

For all the reason I have mentioned above she must remain on the CSM as an example of when people vote for somebody just because they do not like somebody else, instead of putting there personal feeling aside and voting for those who actually stand for something and have the ability to make things happen.

Issler is an example of the very worst person that can be elected on the CSM and should be used for years to come what can happen when people let there person issues get in the way of making a educated decision,

Long live the worst CSM Member in the history of Eve

Goons are literally just people playing a game. They "get it". The fact that people get foaming-at-the-mouth worked up about them is hilarious.

That's not the way I recall things.

Being complete a$$hats has been the focus of the Goon public persona from day one, it's not something the cruel world forced on them it's the way they chose to portray themselves.

Whether or not it's real is immaterial, it's the way they want to be seen.

OP is a moron.

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Her posts make me want to /wrists

More like Issler Dunce.

you do know that the mittani supported the jita protest and told people to unsub so that ccp would change...
how is this different?

IIRC he stayed quiet about it

This is unacceptable.

How can a person be so vile?

CCP was able, with reason, to remove the mittani from the csm.

In that way they set a precedent: people can be removed from the csm.

Issler should be removed too, if anybody was not convinced by these posts/letters alone then they can search these forum, the proof of issler inadequacy to be a part of the csm is clear.

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried, which is understandable. Please get your facts straight and do some research first before posting slanderous statements. There was only 1 player who actually was removed from the CSM back quite a few years ago for breaking the NDA.

CCP didn't remove The Mittani from CSM 6, he resigned and due to his breaking the TOS/EULA, he received a slap on the wrist from CCP in the form of a 30 day ban from the game. That basically forfeited and eliminated him being in CSM 7.

Posting a prejudiced and biased thread like this filled with false statements while naming and attacking a specific player should be grounds for this thread to be reported, removed and a warning issued. 2nd offense would be a 2 week forum ban and if continued, the IP address of the account would be permanently banned.

So would you agree that Issler should be removed from CSM for attempting to sabotage CCP because a group of players destroyed her low-sec POS?

This is unacceptable.

How can a person be so vile?

CCP was able, with reason, to remove the mittani from the csm.

In that way they set a precedent: people can be removed from the csm.

Issler should be removed too, if anybody was not convinced by these posts/letters alone then they can search these forum, the proof of issler inadequacy to be a part of the csm is clear.

How involved have you been with Goons when they first started, Mister "I've been in the name NPC corp for my entire 8 years"?

No, I do not agree with you nor do I see any evidence or proof that Issler is trying to sabotage CCP or break this game.

However, what I do see is various members of a large Alliance doing a smear campaign due to being scared they will eventually lose control of the CSM, severely negating their ability to indirectly control this game.

I have seen on numerous occasions your Alliance and it's infamous leader post statements of their intention to ruin all others game play, basically causing players to rage quit. That indirectly sabotages CCP's ability to make money and gain subscriptions, which will ultimately result in breaking this game.


As for the CSM, I think all members should only be allowed to serve on the CSM for a maxium of 2 consecetive years and then be eligible again after 2 years off.


DMC

Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year.

TEST tears are best tears?

Aren't you actually acting like those "pubies" TEST and Goons love to hate right now?

So this quote right here, from the alliance mail sent by Issler after PL dropped dreads on her low-sec POS:

Doesn't mean she wants people to unsub, thereby injuring CCP? And she didn't say these comments because PL dropped Dreads on her Low-sec POS?

Dreads in lowsec shooting POSes shouldn't be allowed I guess o_O

So this quote right here, from the alliance mail sent by Issler after PL dropped dreads on her low-sec POS:

Doesn't mean she wants people to unsub, thereby injuring CCP? And she didn't say these comments because PL dropped Dreads on her Low-sec POS?