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WarpTo SafeSpot	Posted - 2009.06.29 01:23:00 - [1] I have over 1 million Drone skill points, less in Gunnery. What is going to be the most efficient/fastest Level 4 solo mission runner of the 3? I have my Dom set up with 2 salvagers and a tractor beam, things go quickly on Level 3 missions. Just looking to see if there is a different direction I need to go for Level 4s. Thanks!
Tara Moss	Posted - 2009.06.29 02:15:00 - [2] Edited by: Tara Moss on 29/06/2009 02:17:05 Train Drone Interfacing V and use your Dominix. Like the Raven, the Domi is a low-sp friendly PvE ship and offers both versatility & a solid tank. There's nothing wrong with the Hyperion for PvE -indeed it's fun to fly but you need decent gunnery skills to bring it up to scratch. Fly safe.
FT Diomedes Gallente Factio Paucorum	Posted - 2009.06.29 02:34:00 - [3] The Dominix is the clear choice here. The Kronos and Navy Megathron are also decent, but the Domi is more low-SP friendly. ...this doesn't even seem to be a regular case of rats fleeing the sinking ship. Seems more like the rats are on fire, the ship is on fire, and the sea is full of drunk Russians. - Jacob Etienne
Von Kapiche Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.29 02:38:00 - [4] Domi, but train gunnery too anyway, it'll be 1/4-1/3d of the damage of the whole package and entirely worth it.
Heloise ChateauBriande	Posted - 2009.06.29 02:42:00 - [5] Edited by: Heloise ChateauBriande on 29/06/2009 02:42:18 Dominix is fine. It's one of the best payoffs for training gallente so enjoy it. You could run level 4 mission in any of gallente ships but I'll tell you how to do it the cheap low-skill way. I use a passive shield-tanked Dominix and drones for level 4 missions. I do this because the tank works well for me and in some missions I can literally afk while my drones kill everything. High slots: drone link augmentors, large projectiles and heavy nosferatu. Your pref. Mid slots: 3 Large T2 Shield Extenders, 2 T2 Invulnerability Field (or race specific if you must) Low Slots: 7 T2 Shield Power Relay Rigs: 3 Core Defence Field Purger I EFT says that this tanks 791 HP/second with my skills. All I can say is that in some lvl 4 missions I don't even need to turn on the shield hardeners. I have tried active tanking but a dual T2 Large Armor Repairer tank (with my skills) tanks somewhere around 490 EFT HP/second. The projectiles are just to get the ships shooting at you. Once everything is... then release your drones. I usually field 5 Ogre II combat drones (EFT says 467 DPS with my skills) but sentry drones or T1 drones work fine as well if a bit slower. This build favors defence over offence. There are even a very few NPC ships that I simply can not take down with the drones, usually a final boss type. However I have not found a better mission ship for the price. I even prefer this setup to my passive nighthawk. Downsides for you to weigh: Shield tanking may not be in your skillset. It is in mine because I am caldari cross trained. So that may dissuade you. This is a fit I have been using for years and the passive tank precludes an afterburner. It may well be that the after burner permitted by an active (armor) tank will mitigate an extra 300 DPS or so and make that sort of fit just as good at tanking as the passive shield tank. It may be time for me to try out something like that on SISI. Good luck, - Helo
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.06.29 02:44:00 - [6] domi
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.06.29 02:48:00 - [7] Originally by: Heloise ChateauBriande Edited by: Heloise ChateauBriande on 29/06/2009 02:42:18 Dominix is fine. It's one of the best payoffs for training gallente so enjoy it. You could run level 4 mission in any of gallente ships but I'll tell you how to do it the cheap low-skill way. I use a passive shield-tanked Dominix and drones for level 4 missions. I do this because the tank works well for me and in some missions I can literally afk while my drones kill everything. High slots: drone link augmentors, large projectiles and heavy nosferatu. Your pref. Mid slots: 3 Large T2 Shield Extenders, 2 T2 Invulnerability Field (or race specific if you must) Low Slots: 7 T2 Shield Power Relay Rigs: 3 Core Defence Field Purger I EFT says that this tanks 791 HP/second with my skills. All I can say is that in some lvl 4 missions I don't even need to turn on the shield hardeners. I have tried active tanking but a dual T2 Large Armor Repairer tank (with my skills) tanks somewhere around 490 EFT HP/second. The projectiles are just to get the ships shooting at you. Once everything is... then release your drones. I usually field 5 Ogre II combat drones (EFT says 467 DPS with my skills) but sentry drones or T1 drones work fine as well if a bit slower. This build favors defence over offence. There are even a very few NPC ships that I simply can not take down with the drones, usually a final boss type. However I have not found a better mission ship for the price. I even prefer this setup to my passive nighthawk. Downsides for you to weigh: Shield tanking may not be in your skillset. It is in mine because I am caldari cross trained. So that may dissuade you. This is a fit I have been using for years and the passive tank precludes an afterburner. It may well be that the after burner permitted by an active (armor) tank will mitigate an extra 300 DPS or so and make that sort of fit just as good at tanking as the passive shield tank. It may be time for me to try out something like that on SISI. Good luck, - Helo ermm, the dual lar domi should tank around 1000 dps. however it is best when used with a single lar 3 hardeners, and 3 mag stabs, with railguns in the highs drone tracking links and cap mods in the mids, with 1 or 2 sentry damage rigs.
Erick Morillo	Posted - 2009.06.29 03:17:00 - [8] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton domi vote
Terrus Valkin Gallente ArmoredCore Armed Forces	Posted - 2009.06.29 03:22:00 - [9] Edited by: Terrus Valkin on 29/06/2009 03:22:03 For the gunnery wiz, Hyperion. It has the damage bonus of both the domi and megathron but it has a full set of 8 rails, and a compliment of 100 drone mbits to boot. I'm more of a mixed combat character - I PvP, fight Sleepers, etc - and so I've ended up with a little over a million in Drones and 4 million+ in gunnery. The Hyperion can tank most missions on a single LAR II, which is nice because it's downed one lowslot from the other two BSs. If you take a more active approach to missions instead of using drones, the Hyperion is a nice choice. Otherwise it's the Domi for missioning. The Megathron has always seemed like a bad mission ship to me. Edit: Hyper is pricey though. A good 140m compared to the Domi's 50-60.
Descrambled	Posted - 2009.06.29 04:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Terrus Valkin Edited by: Terrus Valkin on 29/06/2009 03:22:03 For the gunnery wiz, Hyperion. It has the damage bonus of both the domi and megathron but it has a full set of 8 rails, and a compliment of 100 drone mbits to boot. I'm more of a mixed combat character - I PvP, fight Sleepers, etc - and so I've ended up with a little over a million in Drones and 4 million+ in gunnery. The Hyperion can tank most missions on a single LAR II, which is nice because it's downed one lowslot from the other two BSs. If you take a more active approach to missions instead of using drones, the Hyperion is a nice choice. Otherwise it's the Domi for missioning. The Megathron has always seemed like a bad mission ship to me. Edit: Hyper is pricey though. A good 140m compared to the Domi's 50-60. Hyperion doesn't have the drone dmg bonus of a Domi btw unless I am misreading this

WarpTo SafeSpot	Posted - 2009.06.29 04:34:00 - [11] Thanks for the insights here. The Dom it is!
Terrus Valkin Gallente ArmoredCore Armed Forces	Posted - 2009.06.29 04:51:00 - [12] Originally by: Descrambled Originally by: Terrus Valkin Edited by: Terrus Valkin on 29/06/2009 03:22:03 For the gunnery wiz, Hyperion. It has the damage bonus of both the domi and megathron but it has a full set of 8 rails, and a compliment of 100 drone mbits to boot. I'm more of a mixed combat character - I PvP, fight Sleepers, etc - and so I've ended up with a little over a million in Drones and 4 million+ in gunnery. The Hyperion can tank most missions on a single LAR II, which is nice because it's downed one lowslot from the other two BSs. If you take a more active approach to missions instead of using drones, the Hyperion is a nice choice. Otherwise it's the Domi for missioning. The Megathron has always seemed like a bad mission ship to me. Edit: Hyper is pricey though. A good 140m compared to the Domi's 50-60. Hyperion doesn't have the drone dmg bonus of a Domi btw unless I am misreading this It has the damage bonus of both the mega and domi... as in both the mega and domi have a large hybrid damage bonus. -CEO of AC-AF-
Ritzenhoff Gallente Fabian Strategy	Posted - 2009.06.29 15:07:00 - [13] The Domi is a great starting ship, very forgiving, and one of the best features of it is that the insurance will just about cover your loss (unlike most ships) pretty much, including modules, unless you have it fitted with some expensive named/faction modules of course. I like to have the Domi plus a gun boat in my hanger and then I can choose - some missions (esp. the ones where drones get aggro) are faster in the Mega/Hype. Personally I prefer the Mega to the Hype, the tracking bonus makes a big difference to the damage the guns do - EFT won't tell you this, its DPS calculation is a maximum theoretical DPS, in effect. But once you get it in the field, in my experience the Mega rips through NPCs noticably faster. Hype has the tanking bonus which you would think would make it a better mission ship but it's gimped a bit as a tank by having one less low slot than the others Domi definitely the clear choice here, anyway.
Baalroshe	Posted - 2009.06.29 17:39:00 - [14] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Heloise ChateauBriande Edited by: Heloise ChateauBriande on 29/06/2009 02:42:18 ermm, the dual lar domi should tank around 1000 dps. however it is best when used with a single lar 3 hardeners, and 3 mag stabs, with railguns in the highs drone tracking links and cap mods in the mids, with 1 or 2 sentry damage rigs. id like to see your domi fitting that can perma run a 1000 dps tank the best i can get from eft is 650 dps if you wish to have an afk domi with armor tanking then here is my L4 setup that ive been able to do AE bonus pocket with [Dominix, Mission] Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Capacitor Power Relay II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Dual Light Beam Laser I, Multifrequency S Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Acarion Sphinx Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.06.29 18:07:00 - [15] @Baalroshe Did you pull it off with that exact fit? And... Did you actually survive the fullstage aggro? or... did you kill a ****load of stuff while the tank was coming closer to hull? I'm curious about the actual DPS in there nowdays.
Baalroshe	Posted - 2009.06.29 22:06:00 - [16] Originally by: Acarion Sphinx @Baalroshe Did you pull it off with that exact fit? And... Did you actually survive the fullstage aggro? or... did you kill a ****load of stuff while the tank was coming closer to hull? I'm curious about the actual DPS in there nowdays. different hardeners 2x Exp Hardener T2 1x Kin Hardener T2 1x EANM T2 no i did not survive full stage aggro but i only had to warp out 3 times
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.06.29 23:12:00 - [17] 1096 dps tanked stable at 41% against guristas/serpentis. [Dominix, AFKdualrep] Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Damage Control II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Sentry Damage Augmentor I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I now for angels I don't have the exact damage profile for the bonus room, it has a bit of everything, but mostly explosive then kinetic, then em/thermal. (eve survival even mentions it varies a bit depending on what spawns) but this will tank a bit over 700 against a similar damage profile [Dominix, AFKdualrep] Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Sentry Damage Augmentor I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I the biggest problem with both of these ships is they do **** all damage. the other setup I mentioned has a tank around 300dps, but it does just over 900 dps with all level 5, 1 sentry damage rig, and no implants, and then just over 1000 dps with all level 5, 2 sentry damage rigs, and 2 5% gunnery implants.
Baalroshe	Posted - 2009.06.29 23:30:00 - [18] how are you getting the dps tank from specific dmg types?
Kva Plexcha	Posted - 2009.06.30 01:08:00 - [19] I think the answer that you want is that EFT can create customized damage profiles, you input what typical damage Angels do for instance, (iirc is 69% explosive 22% kinetic) and EFT will show your tanking dps vs that specific damage.
Argus Greymoore Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.06.30 03:46:00 - [20] Here's my Domi setup for L4s. Tanks 1137 dps and is cap stable at 36% (with the AB, tractor beam and salvager off): Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II 100MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 425mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon 425mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon Small Tractor Beam I Salvager II Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Ogre II x5



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