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Tezalsh
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Posted - 2009.06.29 16:22:00 -
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Im been concidering training into assult ships for solo PvP and I need a little help from you guys.
Im thinking about the Jaguar, i've heard great things from this ship.
We have ;
Amarr - Retribution and Vengeance
Caldari- Harpy and Hawk
Gallente - Enyo and Ishkur
Minmatar - Jaguar and Wolf.
Ive encounted a Harpy and a Ishkur, both laid me to rest.
Which ship would you guys rate the "best" for solo PvP
-Tezalsh
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AstroPhobic
Darkest Depths
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Posted - 2009.06.29 16:25:00 -
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I'd say the wolf is better than the jag for solo. I can't really comment on the other AFs because I don't fly them.
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Shasz
Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.06.29 16:36:00 -
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I love the Ishkur - have not flown any others though.
Admittedly the targets were poorly flown and fit, but I came out the victor against 2 frigs, a caracal and a brutix all in 3 minutes of non-stop combat one day and decided right then and there that I wasn't flying my ishkur often enough.
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Gabble Ratchet
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Posted - 2009.06.29 16:43:00 -
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the hawk. this little monster will take down anything up to battleships when flown correctly. you cant lose when you use a hawk for solo pvp.
it will eat the other AF for breakfast lunch and dinner as well.
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Zarda Sulan
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.29 16:53:00 -
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what is a good hawk fit then for solo roaming?
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.29 16:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Gabble Ratchet
the hawk. this little monster will take down anything up to battleships when flown correctly. you cant lose when you use a hawk for solo pvp.
it will eat the other AF for breakfast lunch and dinner as well.
No, this is wrong.
Harpy is so much better then the Hawk.
Jaguar is good tho, far better then the Wolf imo.
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Duke Starbuckington
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Posted - 2009.06.29 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Gabble Ratchet
the hawk. this little monster will take down anything up to battleships when flown correctly. you cant lose when you use a hawk for solo pvp.
it will eat the other AF for breakfast lunch and dinner as well.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... oh GOD! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Thats ****ing hilarious.
Seriously though the hawk is god awful, don't give out bull**** advice.
The harpy is better.
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Gabble Ratchet
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Posted - 2009.06.29 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Duke Starbuckington
Originally by: Gabble Ratchet
the hawk. this little monster will take down anything up to battleships when flown correctly. you cant lose when you use a hawk for solo pvp.
it will eat the other AF for breakfast lunch and dinner as well.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... oh GOD! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Thats ****ing hilarious.
Seriously though the hawk is god awful, don't give out bull**** advice.
The harpy is better.
this is lies and yous knows it. i have been battle with 3 harpy at same time and beat all of them with
hawk easy. it gets shield booster bonus which make tank nearly unkillable. you sir stop the lies!
i challenges u to fight 1 v 1 assault ship in raravath system!
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UMEE
Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.06.29 17:21:00 -
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^ lol this guy is trolling. funny stuff tho.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.06.29 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Zarda Sulan
what is a good hawk fit then for solo roaming?
1) Buy Hawk.
2) Reprocess.
3) Sell components and minerals.
4) Buy Harpy.
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GiantSquid
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Posted - 2009.06.29 17:57:00 -
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Vengance for tackle, retribution for tank _ damage,
Harpy for long range snipe, enyo for snipe + close range tracking, or both for blasters and ok tank
Ishkur for everything
Wolf and Jag for a little more speed/ agility
hawk for the name
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.29 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: GiantSquid
Vengance for tackle, retribution for tank _ damage,
Harpy for long range snipe, enyo for snipe + close range tracking, or both for blasters and ok tank
Ishkur for everything
Wolf and Jag for a little more speed/ agility
hawk for the name
I disagre, retri sucks, it has no tackle, its nigh usless for PvP. Harpy should not snipe, fit it for optimal range of 20km with a 24km point and a MWD. Jag can pull off MWD and scram for close range fun as well.
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MadAtTheWorld
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Posted - 2009.06.29 18:20:00 -
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for solo work use the wolf or ishkur. jags are a blast to fly so i use them quite often. go for harpy if you like long range action.
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Commander Yassir
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.06.29 18:22:00 -
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I have only ever flown a Blaster Harpy, so I can only comment on that, and I must say it is excellent. It has a good mix of tank and gank and with an AB it is almost impossible for large ships to hit it. I don't fly it often enough though, and I haven't been in many 1v1 situation with it (against other AFs that is) so I can't really say.
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Julia Venatrix
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Posted - 2009.06.29 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: GiantSquid
Vengance for tackle, retribution for tank _ damage
OP asked for solo PvP, where the Vengeance's rockets and the Retribution's lack of tackle make them both awful (and I fly Amarr by preference!).
The Retribution shines in a gang. The Vengeance shines... erm... no, I guess it doesn't really.
Better to use an Arbitrator. At least it's insured.
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abrasive soap
Caldari Corporation 12345
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Posted - 2009.06.29 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: abrasive soap on 29/06/2009 22:21:47
amarr afs are such a joke
if the hawk did more dps than a kestrel and had its bonuses changed i would use it
i like the sentinel quite a bit compared to the afs
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De Guantanamo
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Posted - 2009.06.29 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Gabble Ratchet
the hawk. this little monster will take down anything up to battleships when flown correctly. you cant lose when you use a hawk for solo pvp.
it will eat the other AF for breakfast lunch and dinner as well.
Confirming you should use this ship for all your pvp endeavors. Do not listen to the other posters that say it sucks. They are simply trying to monopolize the pwnage that is the hawk.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.06.29 23:25:00 -
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Jag or ishkur.
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Orakkus
Minmatar
m3 Corp
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.06.29 23:38:00 -
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One of the things about how the AFs were designed is that it seems to strongly favor pairs and within the race, they compliment each other. Here's how I'd break them down and why:
No. 1 - Ishkur is probably the best AF out of all. Having the capacity to field a flight of drones in addition to tackle and a full set of guns really makes this the top contender.
No. 2(Split decision) - The Wolf, Jaguar AFs are powerful in their own right, and they both can field a variety of effective setups. Personally I fly a Wolf and can vouch for its capabilities, but Jaguars are certainly on par with the Wolf.
No. 3 - The Harpy was the only AF to even have a role prior to the god-send boost to AFs, and it still has its place. However having to sacrifice tank for tackle always is difficult.
Here's what I think of the rest:
Retribution - Very strong AF, Effective DPS wise as good as a well-fit Wolf. However, the one midslot makes it useless for solo PVP. In small groups, however, its a definate asset.
Vengenance - DPS is rocket based, meaning non-existant DPS. The more common setups generally use ACs.
Enyo - Slot arrangement like the Wolf, however, it trades speed for armor protection which isn't a good thing. Haven't seen many people fly these.. in theory they should be good, but they might be eclipsed by the Ishkur which is still much better.
Hawk - Simply the worst. Not enough PG or CPU to do anything well.
Another thing you will need to study up on is the "AB vs MWD" debate. Normally, its a no-brainer, but with AFs, the AB can be a definate asset versus MWD in some situations.
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4THELULZ
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Posted - 2009.06.30 00:14:00 -
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The others have listed the good ones, so I'll just take this chance to call out the terrible ones.
Retribution - useless solo. Nothing more to be said.
Vengeance - good if you enjoy boring the enemy to death. Laughable dps, good tank. Not recommended.
Hawk - Hilariously bad until rockets get a fix.
Enyo - not nessecarily bad, just outclassed by the Ishkur too badly to be worth flying.
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ViperVenom
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.30 01:31:00 -
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When it comes to solo Pvp and AF things kinda get hard. AF are still not that strong of a ship,but u can get kills with them so lets go.
I have long been a fan of the Wolf/Jag...After years of enjoyment i retired my Wold and stuck with the Jag. To me the Speed,Buffer Tank, and Extra Med seals the deal for me. With that said the only AF i turned and burned from were Ishkurs i think i spelled that wrong. Those are nasty to face.
Anyways I 100% belive that when it comes to Solo Pvp and small ships there is one clear choice...The Sentinal-> With EAS 5 it can Nos/Neut up to 18km away,hold 3 flights of 4 small drones, and its other form of ECM is tracking disruptors. Most pvp ships are Gunboats. For small ship PVP id
say --Sentinal--(18km nos/neut FTW) Ishkur then the Jag..
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Voi Lutois
Endemic Aggression
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 02:06:00 -
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Jag or Ishkur
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Xenophanes Colophon
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Posted - 2009.06.30 03:09:00 -
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Idhkur, easily. Go and watch the pvp vids, especially the Frigank vids.
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Tezalsh
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Posted - 2009.06.30 04:06:00 -
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Thankyou very much for the advice.
So Orakkus your saying that Assult Frigates are best acompned by another Assult Frigate or ship?
If I was to train two characters to an assult frigate, my best bet overall would be Ishkur for one character, and Jag or Wolf for the other Char, or perhaps train both into Minmatar AF, and fly both a Jag and a Wolf.
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arbiter reformed
Minmatar
Kuvakei's Vengeance
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Posted - 2009.06.30 04:24:00 -
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Edited by: arbiter reformed on 30/06/2009 04:25:09
1. sell jaguar
2. buy, fit and insure multiple cruisers
3. kill more stuff than you could in your 1 jag
4. ??????
5. profit
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Draulin
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.30 05:33:00 -
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I'll toss my vote in for the Ishkur with its 5 light drones. |
Kazumii Shimizu
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Posted - 2009.06.30 11:10:00 -
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My main flys minmatar, and the jag and wolf are both excellent.
The hawk tho.... This char was created April '09 and I tore a rigged, gisti booster and gisti AB fitted hawk belonging to an '06 char to shreds in an mining fit arbitrator the other day. Was good loot. Dont think he was very happy....
I conclude that rocket hawks are a bit rubbish.
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Duke Starbuckington
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Posted - 2009.06.30 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: arbiter reformed
Edited by: arbiter reformed on 30/06/2009 04:25:09
1. sell jaguar
2. buy, fit and insure multiple cruisers
3. kill more stuff than you could in your 1 jag
4. ??????
5. profit
Or you could actually use assault frigates for their job in a fleet and ****ing tackle.
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SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar
Black Serpent Technologies
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Posted - 2009.06.30 14:08:00 -
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AF's aren't really supposed to be fleet tackle ships.. there's better shipclasses for that role.
For solo and/or small fast roaming I usually prefer the Wolf over the Jaguar.
Jaguar is better capable at tackling.. but I'm not really bothered with that
Wolf with 2 gyros and 200mm autocannons with RF emp/T2 ammo EATS through ANYTHING.
I went 1 on 1 vs an alliance mate's gallente AF (the drone wielding thingymajig) and I completely eradicated his shield and started downing his armor before he was even able to launch his drones.
Afterwards I told him he could probably have beat me after he sent his drones on me.. but he told me in all honesty that if he saw his hitpoints vanish like that so fast in an actual hostile 1 on 1 he'd **** his pants and warp off and probably abandon his drones too
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Duke Starbuckington
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Posted - 2009.06.30 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner
AF's aren't really supposed to be fleet tackle ships.. there's better shipclasses for that role.
For solo and/or small fast roaming I usually prefer the Wolf over the Jaguar.
Jaguar is better capable at tackling.. but I'm not really bothered with that
Wolf with 2 gyros and 200mm autocannons with RF emp/T2 ammo EATS through ANYTHING.
I went 1 on 1 vs an alliance mate's gallente AF (the drone wielding thingymajig) and I completely eradicated his shield and started downing his armor before he was even able to launch his drones.
Afterwards I told him he could probably have beat me after he sent his drones on me.. but he told me in all honesty that if he saw his hitpoints vanish like that so fast in an actual hostile 1 on 1 he'd **** his pants and warp off and probably abandon his drones too
Yes they are they're heavy tacklers, wtf else are you gonna use em for.
You wanna solo? pick a good BC or HAC.
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