We try, but there's simply more of them. They start playing a new game, do so just long enough to ruin it, and then move on without any second thoughts or regrets. We are left to pick up the pieces and rebuild.

Do you think the people who whined about the privateers, for example, still play? I still have hundreds of war targets saved on one of my contact lists from as far back as 2008/2009, and believe me, I only see the bear ones sign on every blue moon. The pvper ones on the other hand...

cut highsec in half, turn that into new lowsec, nerf highsec based income so much only new and broke players would live there, or use as income stream unless trading/hauling, bufff income in lowsec and 0.0/wh, make gate guns in lowsec stronger and around lowsec stations, write guides about d-scan and using map stats and other stuff on the eve login screen.

Remove Local Chat or make it as wormholes.

click "apply patch".

And that would make players who do PVE want to PVP, how? Instead of leaving the game?

And that would make players who do PVE want to PVP, how? Instead of leaving the game?

It would make PVE harder and PVP easier, yes, but that still doesn't break the wall around those who want to PVE for PVE sake, not because PVP is too hard (I can not know, but I suspect the larger part of PVEers).

Making the PVE part of EVE more uncomfortable will most likely only make more PVP players than PVE join the game, okay. It will most likely also make more PVE players than PVP players leave the game, hmm.

Ultimately it could lead to more PVP players than PVE players in the game. But would it could also lead to less players in EVE overall? EVE is known as a PVP heavy game, the PVE to PVP ratio we have today is based on that. But the (somewhat small) playerbase is based on that as well.

Depends on what you want. A larger playerbase with PVP and PVE or a smaller playerbase with mostly PVP and next to no PVE.

I know this might be too complicated for you, but that would also make it easier for those of us doing industry to do so outside highsec and in general improve our standard of living not to mention experience of the game.

You need to take a minute and think things through before you hit reply.

PS: You will need industry in order to build anything.

edit:

so you want someone to do something he does not do....

and your solution is to ruin what he likes to do assuming then he will do what you want him to do.....

yes, this solution is absolutley smart, for mentally challenged



try do a little brainwork instead

carebear are usually quite rich, so they should be able to loose stuff without taking a hard hit to their wallet

so why they dont pvp then ?

my guess is a rich carebear not only is a rich player but also does something a pvp-er does not, he uses expensive implants to optimize his performance


jumping in a rifter and hittin lowsec/null/wh - space to see how this pvp thing works becomes a problem when u risk loosing implants worth billions

so maybe a solution could be making pods immune to all forms of interdiction ?

every carebear out there can afford loosing frig cruiser even non-faction fitted BS but they dont want to loose imp worth billions

and before u cry "wheee they can set up a clone for pvping" read how u create jump clone, think, realize that thats not a easy option for highsec players


if u try get the donkey to do what u want a carrot is way more effective than a whip

Now this is a harder one: "How to get PVPbears WANT to carebear!"

It should go the other way around too.

Now this is a harder one: "How to get PVPbears WANT to carebear!"

It should go the other way around too.

i dont think so

The best way to get Carebears to fight is to understand that not everyone is you.

Some people have no interest in it and whatever you dangle in front of them they wont be interested.


Unless you forced them to fight and then they will just go elsewhere

The best way to get Carebears to fight is to understand that not everyone is you.

Some people have no interest in it and whatever you dangle in front of them they wont be interested.


Unless you forced them to fight and then they will just go elsewhere

as u mentioned urself u are not the typical carebear but the point was to get typical carebears to do pvp

of course making pods immune to interdiction is "dumbing" eve down, yes u are right with that


but fact is if u want carebears to do/try pvp u have to make a certain investment, u cant force them to pvp by blowing up all his hulks and indu pos-es, then he will just leave the game, and thats something only retards want


the question is, in fact, is making pods immune to interdiction really that evil ? will it ruin everthing eve stands for ?

i dont think so

Arena ideas have been brought up over and over again, then shut down by people who don't want to see pvp happen...

dude you have to realize that u cant force someone in a game ^^ it may be shocking for you but there is a loggoffski button

so just forget your stupid "force them" and try to think productive, destructive thinking is for idiots

Well yes, because it would cause all sorts of issues with PvP. Let alone the fact that it would destroy the implant market.

And besides, as for your comment about only idiots wanting high sec hulk miners to leave. Well, personally im not so sure a few of them here and there are really going to be missed.

Tritanium prices would go up, which would mean genuine newbies in mining frigs and coveters would earn a little more. Other than that, what do high sec hulk pilots contribute? They don't really add much to the game, except subs and CCP is gaining subs all the time. It wouldn't take long to replace them.

Also, the hulk mining RMT bots which seem to make up a considerable percentage of high sec miners wouldn't leave. Likely they'd just move.

carebear are usually quite rich, so they should be able to loose stuff without taking a hard hit to their wallet

so why they dont pvp then ?

my guess is a rich carebear not only is a rich player but also does something a pvp-er does not, he uses expensive implants to optimize his performance

jumping in a rifter and hittin lowsec/null/wh - space to see how this pvp thing works becomes a problem when u risk loosing implants worth billions

and before u cry "wheee they can set up a clone for pvping" read how u create jump clone, think, realize that thats not a easy option for highsec players

The best way to get Carebears to fight is to understand that not everyone is you.

Some people have no interest in it and whatever you dangle in front of them they wont be interested.

Unless you forced them to fight and then they will just go elsewhere

You can force someone in a game, EVE does it all the time.

(edit, hint* all games force you, even in real life in a democracy you are forced to lots of things.)

If this game is not for you then quit, bye and have fun elsewhere.

But if you did not know, you can mine in EVE and never get killed once ever.

it is more than possible, that person could even live in 0.0

UNBELIEVABLE AM I RITE?

You can force someone in a game, EVE does it all the time. [wrong]

(edit, hint* all games force you, even in real life in a democracy you are forced to lots of things.) [RL is no game]

If this game is not for you then quit, bye and have fun elsewhere. [ lol ]

But if you did not know, you can mine in EVE and never get killed once ever. [ true ]

it is more than possible, that person could even live in 0.0 [ orly?]

UNBELIEVABLE AM I RITE? [ 60% wrong i`d say ]

So what exactly are we gaining by keeping them here in the first place? They add zero content to the game, and aside from lining CCP's pockets, they hardly seem to have any purpose.

And an even better question: how do we know that their subscriptions are important anyway? They seem to account for the majority of the negative press the game receives ("omgg 74 plaxxez destroyed bad game!!1"). Maybe if it was too inhospitable for these people to even start playing, the game would grow again, like it did in earlier times. It might sound counterintuitive to you, but when you think about it, you will agree that there have got to be more than a few thousand non-cowards in the world who like to play spaceship videogames.