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Jaina Proudmoar	Posted - 2009.06.30 17:34:00 - [1] The Harbinger has 7 turrets. The Brutix has 7 turrets. The Drake has 7 launchers. Give the Hurricane its 7th turret back please.
Jaina Proudmoar	Posted - 2009.06.30 17:39:00 - [2] Naturally I support my own proposal.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.06.30 18:48:00 - [3] Why? I mean, in all due seriousness, you haven't actually made an argument. --Vel Experience is what you get right after you need it.
Maxsim Goratiev Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate	Posted - 2009.06.30 18:52:00 - [4] you toook into account the fact that huriicane is the only battlecrouser with 8 weapons? I don't fly hurricane, but from what i saw and what i fought hurricane is nowhere near being underpowered. i don't see need for a beef. Fix Destroyers
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.06.30 19:00:00 - [5] Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev you toook into account the fact that huriicane is the only battlecrouser with 8 weapons? I don't fly hurricane, but from what i saw and what i fought hurricane is nowhere near being underpowered. i don't see need for a beef. I currently do fly a hurricane for level 3 missions, and so far I haven't met a mission I can't tank. I literally fly into the middle of the mission space, and start destroying enemy ships one after another while they try and get close enough to shoot back. I get close to 260 DPS from it (which is probably be a little low, but I tend to overtank), and I agree, it's really quite an effective ship the way it is. --Vel Experience is what you get right after you need it.
Syringe R.E.C.O.N. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.06.30 19:03:00 - [6] No. Hurricanes are pretty badass as is. --------- War isn't the answer. However, the objective isn't to provide answers rather than eliminate the question.
Jaina Proudmoar	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:39:00 - [7] Originally by: De'Veldrin Why? I mean, in all due seriousness, you haven't actually made an argument. Outdamaged by the Brutix and Harbinger. Outtanked by the Drake. The small speed increase and "versatility" from split weapons do not make a good ship. Adding a 7th turret would bring it in line with the other Tier 2 BC and the Brutix
Maxsim Goratiev Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:58:00 - [8] Originally by: Jaina Proudmoar Originally by: De'Veldrin Why? I mean, in all due seriousness, you haven't actually made an argument. Outdamaged by the Brutix and Harbinger. Outtanked by the Drake. The small speed increase and "versatility" from split weapons do not make a good ship. Adding a 7th turret would bring it in line with the other Tier 2 BC and the Brutix It is outdamaged by britux because that's highest dps Bc in game. Drake is the tankiest BC in game. HUrricane has reasonable tank and reasonable dps. Drake has good tank but it has ** dps. Britux has good dps but ** tank. Hurricane is in the middle. And it speedtanks BS's better then any other BS Fix Destroyers
Don Pellegrino	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:00:00 - [9] Dude... if you're looking for damage and have tackling support, go for 6 turrets, 2 launchers, a shield buffer and 3 gyros. The Hurricane is like the Dominix, it's extremely versatile, it can be anything you want... just fit it decently
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Coalition of Free Stars	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:51:00 - [10] The Cane is a great ship, and needs no additional love. Not supported.

Jaina Proudmoar	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:11:00 - [11] Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev It is outdamaged by britux because that's highest dps Bc in game. True. Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev Drake is the tankiest BC in game. True. Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev HUrricane has reasonable tank and reasonable dps. On paper, yes. When fighting in falloff - no. Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev Drake has good tank but it has ** dps. Only if you're doing it very wrong. Originally by:** Maxsim Goratiev Britux has good dps but ** tank. Again, only if you're doing it wrong. Originally by:** Maxsim Goratiev Hurricane is in the middle. And it speedtanks BS's better then any other BS Yes, it is a bit faster - but not that much faster. DPS wise, yes on paper, no when you consider how much DPS is lost fighting even 50% into falloff. Originally by: Don Pellegrino Dude... if you're looking for damage and have tackling support, go for 6 turrets, 2 launchers, a shield buffer and 3 gyros. The Hurricane is like the Dominix, it's extremely versatile, it can be anything you want... just fit it decently Split weapon systems are an evil that would never have been introduced. Would people have accepted the Drake if it had a launcher removed but had a turret added? Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto The Cane is a great ship, and needs no additional love. Not supported. I disagree, giving it a bit more DPS would bring it in line with the other battlecruisers, remember how much DPS is lost when fighting in falloff.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Coalition of Free Stars	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:42:00 - [12] Originally by: Jaina Proudmoar Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev Drake has good tank but it has ** dps. Only if you're doing it very wrong. Originally by:** Maxsim Goratiev Britux has good dps but **** tank. Again, only if you're doing it wrong. What are your DPS-Drake and Tank-Brutix fits? So far as I can tell, the Drake is a brick that occasionally annoys you with missiles, and the Brutix is a glass cannon, and I've never seen a fit for either that does much to fix their holes without throwing away all the advantages of using that hull in the first place.
darius mclever	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:22:00 - [13] dps drake does shy 700dps.
Neesa Corrinne Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.07.01 02:55:00 - [14] This is one of the most balanced ships in the entire game, not to mention also one of the most versatile. There's absolutely no reason this ship needs 7 turrets. Instead, why not focus on the real issue, which is Projectile turrets. If anything in the Minmatar arsenal has some shortcomings, its turrets... but certainly not the Hurricane. ---------------------------------
Jaina Proudmoar	Posted - 2009.07.01 03:42:00 - [15] Originally by: darius mclever dps drake does shy 700dps. That, and a standard T2 fit Brutix does 860 DPS with ~50k EHP.
Tortugan Internal Anarchy	Posted - 2009.07.01 04:07:00 - [16] ITT: Whiner demands ridiculously unnecessary buff. Your arguments have been based on a hurricane not putting out good DPS in its falloff, as compared to a brutix at optimal. Try flying a blaster boat, then complain about your damn falloff :) ---- Need Mercenaries? Contact me in-game to hire Internal Anarchy. Killboard
Grarr Dexx Amarr Corp 1 Allstars	Posted - 2009.07.01 06:39:00 - [17] It doesn't have seven turrets, but surprise surprise, in addition to it's six guns, it can also fit a whopping TWO missile launchers for a grand total of eight weapons. Now, I don't see your other tier 2 battlecruisers pull that stunt, right? Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
darius mclever	Posted - 2009.07.01 09:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Jaina Proudmoar Originally by: darius mclever dps drake does shy 700dps. That, and a standard T2 fit Brutix does 860 DPS with ~50k EHP. not supported. your cane does also 662 dps even with 220mm/HAM and 55k EHP.
TimMc Gallente Extradition	Posted - 2009.07.01 10:09:00 - [19] Hurricane is not in need of love. Projectiles are.
Milo Caman Gallente Ghost Festival	Posted - 2009.07.01 10:49:00 - [20] I'm sorry, what? Cane is fine as it is. It may be outdamaged by the Brutix, but It can put range on the thing and kill it without hitting Blaster Range. Can't Comment on the Harby, and I just avoid the Drake in most situations. Not Supported. OP Evidently doesn't fly a Cane' Out of Sinq

RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.07.01 11:02:00 - [21] give the cane 7 turret slots or fix projectiles... If i had to choose between the two, i'd have the latter. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Zostera Minmatar Honour Bound Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.07.01 11:26:00 - [22] Love the Hurricane as it is thanks. Probably one of the best balanced Minnie ships, very versatile, fun to fly. I agree with other posters that projectile turrets are probably where any balance "tweaking" should take place. Not supported. Zos
50freefly Caldari Cause for Concern Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.07.01 16:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Jaina Proudmoar The Harbinger has 1 damage bonus. The Brutix has 1 damage bonus. The Drake has 1 damage bonus. Give the Hurricane its 7th turret back please, and take away a damage bonus. TBH hurricane is very balanced, and is in fact probably the best tier 2 BC. No other BC can have excellent DPS while fitting 2 medium neuts in its utility slots. Please re-size it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
Juliette DuBois	Posted - 2009.07.01 17:13:00 - [24] Cane has no utility slots, fitting neuts means you do less dps. You can fit neuts in harbingers, drakes whatever as well. Adding extra turret wouldn¦t really boost cane that much for close range, it would simple make it better long range boat than it is now.
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.07.01 20:58:00 - [25] Hurricane is fine.
Jin Labarre	Posted - 2009.07.01 21:15:00 - [26] The Hurricane is perfectly fine. No support.


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