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Mykpilot	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:42:00 - [1] I think it goes something like... 1) Rokh 2) Apocalypse 3) Raven Any other thoughts?
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:44:00 - [2] More like: Apoc Rokh Everything else Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:45:00 - [3] Raven would be good if missiles did not have the ravell time, but they do, so its not good in big sniper fleets. Rokh and Apoc rule the sniping arena tho. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
SuiJuris	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:46:00 - [4] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega More like: Apoc Rokh Other BS's snipe? Fixed --- It's like my mom always said... "I knew I should of drowned that one."
Duke Starbuckington	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:46:00 - [5] Rokh and Apoc are tied they both have their negatives and pluses, everything else falls short.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:47:00 - [6] Originally by: Duke Starbuckington Rokh and Apoc are tied they both have their negatives and pluses, everything else falls short.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:49:00 - [7] Edited by: Davinel Lulinvega on 30/06/2009 20:49:16 Disregard, suck **s, etc. Originally by:** CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:39:00 - [8] Its too bad the Rokh wastes a slot of the useless shield. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:28:00 - [9] Originally by: Ghoest Its too bad the Rokh wastes a slot of the useless shield. That really has nothing to do with it. It's simply that they are both good sniping platforms but tachs are better than rails. Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
Admiral Valdore The Ronin Syndicate	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Duke Starbuckington Rokh and Apoc are tied they both have their negatives and pluses, everything else falls short. -Admiral Valdore
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:39:00 - [11] Originally by: Admiral Valdore Originally by: Duke Starbuckington Rokh and Apoc are tied they both have their negatives and pluses, everything else falls short. Mega's just about passable. You can get 183+30, which is long enough to be useful (same goes of Hyperion). Just forget about Minmatar though - Artys just don't have the range.
Duke Starbuckington	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:41:00 - [12] Originally by: James Lyrus Originally by: Admiral Valdore Originally by: Duke Starbuckington Rokh and Apoc are tied they both have their negatives and pluses, everything else falls short. Mega's just about passable. You can get 183+30, which is long enough to be useful (same goes of Hyperion). Just forget about Minmatar though - Artys just don't have the range. If you REALLY need snipers yeah go to town, i'd still rather have a mix of rokhs and apocs in my gangs.
Sigras	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:13:00 - [13] the sad thing is that the Apoc does more damage than the Rokh at every range except 248 - 250 KM Its definitely Apoc Rokh Mega Hyp Mael Everything else
1600 RT	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:19:00 - [14] the rokh would be the best sniper but its limited by the hard cap at 249km for locking range said that is pretty much a tie between the rokh and the apoc, both are really good.
Admiral Valdore The Ronin Syndicate	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:20:00 - [15] Originally by: Sigras the sad thing is that the Apoc does more damage than the Rokh at every range except 248 - 250 KM Its definitely Apoc Rokh Mega Hyp Mael Everything else This. You could pretty much put Apoc and Rokh together overall. -Admiral Valdore
Sigras	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:46:00 - [16] the Apoc does 25% more damage than the Rokh at the same range with almost twice the tracking, how is that equal?
Admiral Valdore The Ronin Syndicate	Posted - 2009.07.01 00:20:00 - [17] Edited by: Admiral Valdore on 01/07/2009 00:20:39 Originally by: Sigras the Apoc does 25% more damage than the Rokh at the same range with almost twice the tracking, how is that equal? I never said they were equal. Apoc has obvious reasons as better damage and better tracking but Rokh does have its advantages as easier fitting and DD tank. It all depends on the situtation. Thats why they are usually put in the same rank and rarely set apart. "Apoc/Rokh > Mega/Temp" -Admiral Valdore
Vidi Angelus Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.07.01 00:27:00 - [18] Originally by: Sigras the sad thing is that the Apoc does more damage than the Rokh at every range except 248 - 250 KM Its definitely Apoc Rokh Mega Hyp Mael Everything else Rokh does less on paper, but if the pilot knows his ammo, The Rokh Usually does more DPS/Has more tracking. If the Apoc is ahead, its probably the wrong ammo for the range. More tracking is great if you need to pound on a smaller ship, If you're hitting more, you're doing more dps. Rokh gets my vote in empty space, But the Apoc wins simply because Armour tank is the metagame (and with current balance, always will be). I'd rather have the Rokh in small gangs though. Apoc is also cheaper, which is significant if you plan to lose lots. Amarr pretty much has the fleet Battleships nailed down, With the exception of the Domi, All other races get stuck with a niche, or perform sub=par vs Amarr
Sigras	Posted - 2009.07.01 13:27:00 - [19] Originally by: Vidi Angelus Rokh does less on paper, but if the pilot knows his ammo, The Rokh Usually does more DPS/Has more tracking. If the Apoc is ahead, its probably the wrong ammo for the range. More tracking is great if you need to pound on a smaller ship, If you're hitting more, you're doing more dps. Rokh gets my vote in empty space, But the Apoc wins simply because Armour tank is the metagame (and with current balance, always will be). I'd rather have the Rokh in small gangs though. Apoc is also cheaper, which is significant if you plan to lose lots. Amarr pretty much has the fleet Battleships nailed down, With the exception of the Domi, All other races get stuck with a niche, or perform sub=par vs Amarr i would really like to see a rokh with a sniper setup that out DPS's an Apoc with at the same range. in fact, i'd make it a challenge ESPECIALLY with better tracking
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.01 13:32:00 - [20] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega More like: Apoc Rokh Everything else
Duke Starbuckington	Posted - 2009.07.01 13:35:00 - [21] Rokh can also fit a rather nasty tank for being a sniper ship.
Benco97 Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.01 13:43:00 - [22] It's a shame that artillery sucks at doing what it's supposed to do, hit things real far away real hard. Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
Rastigan Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.01 14:01:00 - [23] Originally by: Sigras the Apoc does 25% more damage than the Rokh at the same range with almost twice the tracking, how is that equal? Because after you get the 1st Rokh into structure, your second Apoc is about to go boom. Sniping isnt just about giving.
PupetMaster	Posted - 2009.07.01 14:24:00 - [24] Originally by: Rastigan Originally by: Sigras the Apoc does 25% more damage than the Rokh at the same range with almost twice the tracking, how is that equal? Because after you get the 1st Rokh into structure, your second Apoc is about to go boom. Sniping isnt just about giving. This.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.07.01 14:26:00 - [25] Originally by: Rastigan Originally by: Sigras the Apoc does 25% more damage than the Rokh at the same range with almost twice the tracking, how is that equal? Because after you get the 1st Rokh into structure, your second Apoc is about to go boom. Sniping isnt just about giving. right, apoc just doesn't tank so well with a full snipe fit. maelstrom was pretty good till they stacking nerfed locus rigs. although the clip size is poor, and is not just megathron is kinda in the middle somewhere. hmm looking at it in eft the mega might just be better vs the apoc thanks to the differences in em/therm and kin/therm resists. although a 20-40km optimal is a bit of an advantage. I'll sit back and let the real 0.0 pros argue this one out
Duke Starbuckington	Posted - 2009.07.01 14:32:00 - [26] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Rastigan Originally by: Sigras the Apoc does 25% more damage than the Rokh at the same range with almost twice the tracking, how is that equal? Because after you get the 1st Rokh into structure, your second Apoc is about to go boom. Sniping isnt just about giving. right, apoc just doesn't tank so well with a full snipe fit. maelstrom was pretty good till they stacking nerfed locus rigs. although the clip size is poor, and is not just megathron is kinda in the middle somewhere. hmm looking at it in eft the mega might just be better vs the apoc thanks to the differences in em/therm and kin/therm resists. although a 20-40km optimal is a bit of an advantage. I'll sit back and let the real 0.0 pros argue this one out Rokh and apoc are still the only ones worth using, if you REALLY need snipers the mega is oksih, but nothing else is worth touching.
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2009.07.01 14:35:00 - [27] The + with the Rokh is that its not as reliant on T2 ammo as the Apoc is, so better trakcing is some situations. And that again. It is also easy to DD tank for that matter :)

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