Everyone talking about multiple windows - you know that shift clicking opens up a new window right?

Guys, honestly, the teams and I appreciate the feedback, and we do read it.

There is a recurrent theme in this thread of "change isn't improvement, its change", and to that I would just say look at the evolution of software as a whole - compare Windows 95 to Windows 8, IE to Chrome, etc - things can't be static forever and must evolve, sometimes in a dramatic way. Usability issues are excellent feedback. Simply saying "it's different, I don't want to adjust, give me the old one" is not particularly useful to the team. They have selected the design direction they are going in and it's not just a case of putting in a checkbox that says "use old system X" to cater to those who aren't keen on a slight adjustment to a system.

Please do keep the usability feedback coming though - for instance, the behaviour of using "loot all" and then having an extra cargo window - this is the kind of use issue that can be dealt with.

Charming. FYI I've been at CCP since August of last year, and in my current position for 1 month. Also, there's not a game in the world that doesn't ship/release with bugs. If you don't have an understanding of QA process and software lifecycle I would thank you to keep your opinions and conjecture on the matter to yourself.

Interesting analogy . I personally look at it more like the evolution from a Flintstones model of car (totally functional, pretty basic) to a modern day automobile - there's a ton of bells and whistles on it, you're not sure if you need or want them all (but hey they're free so might as well take them), the only drawback is you need to learn how to drive it!

So I have a philosophical question that I am curious about. Why are so many people intent on interacting with items via the tree view and not via the ships window properly?

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However on a personal note, every time I have to go back from the Unified Inventory to multiple windows, I cringe. We understand the usability concerns raised here, but once people have been given some time to acclimatize themselves, we strongly believe that this will provide the best user experience.

Hey all, I'd just like to say, that our intention is not to ignore you, your feedback or indeed appear condescending. The feedback you are providing us is proving really, really valuable and we are working to resolve the issues you guys raise.

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Our intention is to improve the user experience not hamper it.

Also kudos to Tippia who is making the most compelling arguments on the behalf of many of you. We are just human and are just looking for a conversation with the players (we want it!). But the old system is not coming back, but with your help we can make this new system what you guys need it to be.

Im glad you braught this up. I have been hugely excited about the new unified inventory. Watching the video was enlightening.

I have to say though, the only problems I see were the refreshing on the windows. The windows dissapearing on undock is also a problem. I have to say though, that the chap who made that video kind of missed the point of a unified inventory, but nevermind.

So long as the window refresh is fixed I dont see any reason to delay the release. As a disclaimer though I've not been using SiSi, so I only see the problems people show on videos.

Im glad you braught this up. I have been hugely excited about the new unified inventory. Watching the video was enlightening.

I have to say though, the only problems I see were the refreshing on the windows. The windows dissapearing on undock is also a problem. I have to say though, that the chap who made that video kind of missed the point of a unified inventory, but nevermind.

So long as the window refresh is fixed I dont see any reason to delay the release. From the video I see far more pros than cons for introducing the new system. As a disclaimer though I've not been using SiSi, so I only see the problems people show on videos.

There will be a flurry of patches in the coming week to iron out bugs and flaws once the masses get hold of it. I expect it will be working almost as intended by the weekend.

We'll see how it fares from there.

I can see how many, even most EVE players, would have none or very few issues with the new inventory. If all your item-manipulating work consists of looting wrecks and dumping the loot in a station to later sell, maybe occasionally fitting a ship or two, then the new window is just fine (And by that I mean no offense.)

However for people who have to regularly manage corporation and alliance assets, POSes, doing heavy duty logistics, and so on, the new system is basically unusable. Many CSM representatives have a background in 0.0 or other major alliances, I am sure they would understand if they tried to use the new UI. And I believe that we spreadsheet masters have as much right to have a functional UI as anyone else.

There are also issues with looting wrecks.

Since window position and size is not maintained, the old trick where you'd open a ton of wrecks and they'd stack up allowing you to spam the "loot-all" button no longer exists.

You do realzie that your discussing things on a test server right?
This doesn't necessarily mean or preclude what you see there is what will be on Tranq when time comes.

You do realzie that your discussing things on a test server right?
This doesn't necessarily mean or preclude what you see there is what will be on Tranq when time comes.

I see you are not familiar withb the CCP test server.

Numbers might change, but major issues like these never do. They are ALWAYS put on the test server before going live(or nothing is touched at all, giving no warning whatsoever that there will be a change)

New inventory system works fine, everyone needs to stop their bitching. Once I familiarized myself with the new system (a grand five minutes total) it has been working amazingly well. I hope to see this on TQ soon.

Just so you guys get the picture.... I'm not saying theres a problem...or theres no problem.

I'm saying this is a test server....that means its not concrete....don't assume everything on sisi will carry over.

Even then...typically no ones going to really raise a ruckus until its gone live...and sometimes...you just can't win any arguments with the dev's until the larger audience picks up.

Keep in mind....SISI is a Beta test server....so take everything you see there with a bit of salt.

With a patch hours away and the response from the Dev team. I'm going to imagine that it is how it is since they haven't had a chance to test any additional changes to modifications in the inventory code.

It would be a very bad idea, hours before a major patch launch to add core code to a system that hasn't been tested.

See: Boot.ini

You sir, need to watch the video.

I am quoting you as I will come back to this post in a week and ask you to please restate this claim with a straight face.

Yes, the new inventory system is the right idea. However, it's current state is not going to make people happy. AT ALL.

If it was deployed into TQ as it is right now, I don't think too many people would have a serious issue with this. I've managed to use it just fine, and next week, I will probably post here saying the same damn thing. I think the issue you're having here is a personal issue that GameDevs can't fix, sorry bud.

If it was deployed into TQ as it is right now, I don't think too many people would have a serious issue with this. I've managed to use it just fine, and next week, I will probably post here saying the same damn thing. I think the issue you're having here is a personal issue that GameDevs can't fix, sorry bud.

... Watching the video I cant help but say "He's doing it wrong", because I had no problems what-so-ever. Its called a "Unified Inventory" for a reason.

If it was deployed into TQ as it is right now, I don't think too many people would have a serious issue with this. I've managed to use it just fine, and next week, I will probably post here saying the same damn thing. I think the issue you're having here is a personal issue that GameDevs can't fix, sorry bud.

...as long as we stick to using it "properly", I assume?

This is reminding me of incarnarage way too much. But this time there is no checkbox to disable.

Sup?

Have you seen general discussion in the past 5 minutes?

People have a strange sense of entitlement these days. CCP is one of the few gaming companies that will go into a dialogue with it's player base, but thousand of EVE Online players seem to think that means they can have their specific pet peeve addressed... Immediately... With a personal apology from the company CEO...

You get to give them feedback. If it's constructive and well presented, they will likely listen to you and improve in future iterations. If you instead come off as an angry child, you're likely to be dismissed as such.

This is ridicilous.
Players have been asking for the ability to name pos mods forever and we still don't have it.
Now they introduce a inventory window that looks super neat, works really fast but is not yet ready for release.

If you live at a pos you'll see your inventory cluttered with all the guns, all the smas, hangars without the ability to sort or filter of any kind. Which is a waste of my screen space, I don't want to see all my guns that I can't even access because they're 40K away.

And not even the search funtion is working properly :/ Check this out.
I mean come'on, this is ye olde ccp.

Not listening to players and just ******* their own game.
And check out the damn video goliath.

A lot of pissed off people on this issue.

You guys should point out to CCP that no one was complaining about the old system.

With the new unified inventory I havn't needed more than one window open, so alot of the problems described arn't problems at all for me. And I've had no problem with windows refreshing (again) because I only need one window open.

I sympathise however, with the people trying to use it in more complex ways having problems.

Supported. Get the bugs fixed. (Even though they dont really affect me).




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Hey troll, just stfu and go back your kindergarden. I dont understand why here a Re.tard like you who talking sh*t everywhere.
You are idiot hater who know nothing just hate everything

I just hate every post you make. His opinion was just as (probably more valuable than) yours. He is obviously using the system the way it was intended to be used. The guy in the video has opened up and set up loads of differant windows because he seems to think its more effective somehow, which is retarted. Because all the things he was doing were just as easily done from one window. If you only have one window open, it doesn't close going through gates and there are no problems with it refreshing.

Majority of players pissed off about CCP 'fixing' something that wasn't broken and CCP either trying to convince us that it's great or ignoring us completely. Why does this sound familiar? OH, right. We're just back to the CCP of 2 years ago when player account numbers were dropping and they had to do a 180 and grovel to the player base to get them back. No wonder this road looks familiar.

Ps: Topic still supported, fix the bugs.

Advocating my support of removing the new inventory system and restoring the working version. Insert veiled threats/wishes of bodily harm upon those that created the unified inventory here.