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ChinChinneyChin
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.02 16:51:00 -
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I live in 0.0, Ive noticed that only a few systems have a decent market,
What really annoys me is when stupid pilots put up sell orders whose prices do not reflect the remoteness of the system.
I put 400 of a certain module on the market, for sale @ 400k, the traders in the area are also selling the same module for about that price, give or take 20k,
Now some idiot comes along and puts up 300 of the same module for just 100k, could someone explain the logic of this? can he not see that he is missing out on 300k every time he sells one?
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Ta'jek
Angels Of Death EVE Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.02 16:54:00 -
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lol.... another thread about missing out on potential profit... tl;dr answer either buy him out and relist or undercut him. if the product sells fast he will be gone either way. if it sells slow and the price stay the same he is making more profit on his 100k item that is selling vs your 400k potential profit item that is gathering dust. He can also be trying to keep you out of the market
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Snasty
Caldari The Hippies House of Mercury
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Posted - 2009.07.02 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ta'jek lol.... another thread about missing out on potential profit...
Yup....
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.07.02 16:58:00 -
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If you really thought that his prices were ""too" "low"", then you'd have bought him out.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.07.02 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 02/07/2009 17:11:28 Many times the guy is an idiot but this can be also a nasty PvP tactic.
All sell at 1M and 0.01 ISK each other out.
I come in and place 100 items at 700k
You outsmart me and buy them, letting me get priority 1 money.
Magically, as you buy the 100 items, I put more 100 at 700k.
What now?
- Ignore it and let me dominate your market and get priority 1 money?
- Buy me out and get another 100 items placed in your face again?
- 0.01 ISK me out and get me to put 100 items at 500k and then goto start?
Edit: all of this is greatly augmented in purely speculative markets like in your case, with obscene markups.
If you were an industrialist you'd have to see about your 10% margin, but as trader you are free to PvP even well below mineral cost. Your ammo are the orders, your hull is the spread. - Auditing and consulting
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Shadowsword
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.07.02 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: ChinChinneyChin Now some idiot comes along and puts up 300 of the same module for just 100k, could someone explain the logic of this? can he not see that he is missing out on 300k every time he sells one?
Because you didn't bought his stuff to resell it at a higher price, YOU missed out on 300k each time.
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Sserxe
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Posted - 2009.07.02 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: ChinChinneyChin I live in 0.0, Ive noticed that only a few systems have a decent market,
What really annoys me is when stupid pilots put up sell orders whose prices do not reflect the remoteness of the system.
I put 400 of a certain module on the market, for sale @ 400k, the traders in the area are also selling the same module for about that price, give or take 20k,
Now some idiot comes along and puts up 300 of the same module for just 100k, could someone explain the logic of this? can he not see that he is missing out on 300k every time he sells one?
Buyout the guys inventory and resell them then if the market is that limited.
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ChinChinneyChin
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.02 19:50:00 -
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god, some of u are so dopey its unbelievable, ive brought him out once, and he just built more, i think hes looking to get immidiate sales from me buying out his stuff, im not going to buy him out again,
so the only option is for me to reduce the price of my stuff to match his sales, then we will start a 0.01 isk war, obviously if he follows any sort of logic he would know that this is obviously going to end in a 0.01 isk war.
therefore, why didnt he just undercut me by 0.01 and keep his price nearer the 400k mark, surely he can see the 0.0 residents have no chioce.
i suppose trying to get any logic from an eve player is a silly and pointless task.
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HawkBlade
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Posted - 2009.07.02 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: ChinChinneyChin i suppose trying to get any logic from an eve player is a silly and pointless task.
As you are your own best example, I'll agree with your opinion.
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Daeva Vios
New Eden Credit Bureau
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Posted - 2009.07.02 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: ChinChinneyChin god, some of u are so dopey its unbelievable, ive brought him out once, and he just built more, i think hes looking to get immidiate sales from me buying out his stuff, im not going to buy him out again,
so the only option is for me to reduce the price of my stuff to match his sales, then we will start a 0.01 isk war, obviously if he follows any sort of logic he would know that this is obviously going to end in a 0.01 isk war.
therefore, why didnt he just undercut me by 0.01 and keep his price nearer the 400k mark, surely he can see the 0.0 residents have no chioce.
i suppose trying to get any logic from an eve player is a silly and pointless task.
Your lack of understanding is not anyone else's lack of logic. ------------------------------------- NECB |

Dzil
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.07.02 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Daeva Vios
Originally by: ChinChinneyChin god, some of u are so dopey its unbelievable, ive brought him out once, and he just built more, i think hes looking to get immidiate sales from me buying out his stuff, im not going to buy him out again,
so the only option is for me to reduce the price of my stuff to match his sales, then we will start a 0.01 isk war, obviously if he follows any sort of logic he would know that this is obviously going to end in a 0.01 isk war.
therefore, why didnt he just undercut me by 0.01 and keep his price nearer the 400k mark, surely he can see the 0.0 residents have no chioce.
i suppose trying to get any logic from an eve player is a silly and pointless task.
Your lack of understanding is not anyone else's lack of logic.
I sense you've been trolled, unfortunately. However your above statement rings true to the countless times this question has been posed.
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ChinChinneyChin
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.02 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Daeva Vios
Originally by: ChinChinneyChin god, some of u are so dopey its unbelievable, ive brought him out once, and he just built more, i think hes looking to get immidiate sales from me buying out his stuff, im not going to buy him out again,
so the only option is for me to reduce the price of my stuff to match his sales, then we will start a 0.01 isk war, obviously if he follows any sort of logic he would know that this is obviously going to end in a 0.01 isk war.
therefore, why didnt he just undercut me by 0.01 and keep his price nearer the 400k mark, surely he can see the 0.0 residents have no chioce.
i suppose trying to get any logic from an eve player is a silly and pointless task.
Your lack of understanding is not anyone else's lack of logic.
surely you can see we are both gonna miss out on 300k per module? lol
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HawkBlade
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Posted - 2009.07.02 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: ChinChinneyChin Surely you can see we are both gonna miss out on 300k per module? lol
I see that you are gonna miss it. He apparently is not. But then you are following his plans for you very well indeed. What is he doing? What is his logic? He is poisoning the well, souring the milk, basically ruining your market so that you will leave. Once that happens, prices go back to "normal". Profiteering may once again commence. You are trapped into seeing what you could've made and you are focusing on that... alone. He's looking past your silly butt to a future without you. Of course I'm also yearning for that future as well.
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Daeva Vios
New Eden Credit Bureau
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Posted - 2009.07.02 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dzil
I sense you've been trolled, unfortunately. However your above statement rings true to the countless times this question has been posed.
****. You caught me. ------------------------------------- NECB |

ChinChinneyChin
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.02 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: HawkBlade
Originally by: ChinChinneyChin Surely you can see we are both gonna miss out on 300k per module? lol
I see that you are gonna miss it. He apparently is not. But then you are following his plans for you very well indeed. What is he doing? What is his logic? He is poisoning the well, souring the milk, basically ruining your market so that you will leave. Once that happens, prices go back to "normal". Profiteering may once again commence. You are trapped into seeing what you could've made and you are focusing on that... alone. He's looking past your silly butt to a future without you. Of course I'm also yearning for that future as well.
and if i never leave what then? 0.01 isk price war thats what.
Whichever way u decide to look at it, the end result is 0.01 price war. It appears you and this stupid market trader cant see past your own silly butts.
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Seragon
Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.07.02 20:19:00 -
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Profit is profit. Some people will take the easy sell for less profit because it means a more immediate pay off. I'm mostly an industrialist and when I'm doing manufacturing some days all I care about is cycling my build slots without figuring out how to maximize profit. It is being lazy on my part, but when I have 5 minutes to dump the build order, shove new ones in, and put them up for sale there's not much I can do. I actually have a disconnect here that I may have to look into. I never do this when I manufacture things, but play trading games with tech 2 mods all the time.
Also of note, when I'm in 0.0 I'm a much kinder carebear. I don't market pvp. I build on the cheap to help my alliance and allies. If someone mentioned a mod or ammo was so much more expensive than empire, I'd flood the market with them at a 'reasonable' price. These people protect me, why would I want to screw them over?
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HawkBlade
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Posted - 2009.07.02 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: ChinChinneyChin Whichever way u decide to look at it, the end result is 0.01 price war. It appears you and this stupid market trader cant see past your own silly butts.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't get the old nag to drink. The pleasure of your whiney tears has just about expired. Thank you, you may go now.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2009.07.02 20:59:00 -
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The way I look at it is that the amount of ISK I have is just some data in a database. Same with all my ships, equipment, POSes, even my Guardian Vexor is just a collection of ones and zeros on a hard disk in the docklands. And unlike real life where shiney bits of metal are always shiney bits of metal the stuff in Eve can, and does change or even disappear.
So this had led to to believe that the only thing that is worth bothering with is my reputation. Mainly cause this can not be changed at the whim of a CCP developer. Also because it is unique to me.
So when I build stuff I add on a reasonable markup and sell my stuff at that price. Hopefully over time my customers will see that I sell my stuff at a fair price and so my reputation with them will go up. The profit that I make may be lower than the absolute maximum profit I could have made. But if I go down that route then I am in danger of getting a reputation as a rip off merchant.
And I would rather not have that reputation.
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io0olilo0oi
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Posted - 2009.07.02 21:18:00 -
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There is no such thing as a reputation from an anonymous market. price rules. nothing else.
OP - Wow your tarded, but don't worry Tards can still live really kick ass lives, my last wife was tarded, shes a pilot now
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2009.07.02 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: io0olilo0oi There is no such thing as a reputation from an anonymous market. price rules. nothing else.
Sweety, next time you buy or sell something have a look at your transactions logs.
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io0olilo0oi
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Posted - 2009.07.02 21:44:00 -
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That's after the sale, genius.
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Breaker77
Reclamation Industries New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.07.02 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: ChinChinneyChin and if i never leave what then? 0.01 isk price war thats what.
Whichever way u decide to look at it, the end result is 0.01 price war. It appears you and this stupid market trader cant see past your own silly butts.
Except for you probably bought the item in question and he is selling it because the minerals he mines are free. Eventually the price will get so low that you would take a loss and he will still think he is making a profit.
Then you lose.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.07.02 23:16:00 -
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The amount of male hormones in this thread measures over 9000. - Auditing and consulting
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Mykpilot
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Posted - 2009.07.02 23:44:00 -
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Lets assume the module costs 50K ISK to produce. Lets assume that at 100K ISK the item sells 10 per day. Lets assume that at 400K ISK the item sells 1 per day. At 100K ISK the profit per day is 500K. At 400K ISK the profit per day is 350K.
I don't know what the volume rates are in the are but this is but one scenario where a lower price makes sense.
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Galactic Tycoon
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Posted - 2009.07.03 01:02:00 -
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Yes but thats just one of many scenarios.
The opening poster is right in that he should be taking advantage of the remote system. (Unless he's cycling build slots/helping alliance as stated).
An extra 300k per module is absolutely nothing to a 0.0 resident. They would pay it just as easy as a 100k module unless they're absolutely poor. But then again...0.0 they can't be poor with all those expensive rats and loot.
I bought a 100mn MWD for 10million in 0.0 and didn't think twice about it. Because you can get it back with a few moments of ratting. He should be milking the market dry for every penny. 300k isn't going to put anyone off buying it....IT'S NOTHING.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.07.03 07:40:00 -
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He wanted you to make this thread uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
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Clara Mismer
Minmatar Gulfonodi Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.03 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: ChinChinneyChin
surely you can see we are both gonna miss out on 300k per module? lol
He isn't missing out on anything - he set his price and it was met.
A things value is set at what you sell it at not what you can potentially sell it at.
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Shadowsword
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.07.03 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres The way I look at it is that the amount of ISK I have is just some data in a database. Same with all my ships, equipment, POSes, even my Guardian Vexor is just a collection of ones and zeros on a hard disk in the docklands. And unlike real life where shiney bits of metal are always shiney bits of metal the stuff in Eve can, and does change or even disappear.
So this had led to to believe that the only thing that is worth bothering with is my reputation. Mainly cause this can not be changed at the whim of a CCP developer. Also because it is unique to me.
So when I build stuff I add on a reasonable markup and sell my stuff at that price. Hopefully over time my customers will see that I sell my stuff at a fair price and so my reputation with them will go up. The profit that I make may be lower than the absolute maximum profit I could have made. But if I go down that route then I am in danger of getting a reputation as a rip off merchant.
And I would rather not have that reputation.
I agree with that, and I feel the same about the importance of reputation vs wallet, but I don't think the market is much of a way to achieve that. Players rarely check who's the one they just bought stuff from... ------------------------------------------
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Wieting Foyu
Gallente Foyu Trading World
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Posted - 2009.07.03 11:32:00 -
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Ok, so a random pilot puts items up that drastically undersells you... you then buy them out and relist. That same pilot puts more items up and starts the .01 isk war. Which makes you sell the items less than you paid for them. If my math is correct I don't think its the trader that is stupid.
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Bak Vlok
Caldari AFK
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Posted - 2009.07.03 12:12:00 -
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There are many idiot traders who don't understand a few basic rules:
- selling low does NOT increase the demand for the commodity
- the general goal of all real traders is to sell for as much as possible
- only selling too high, above the individual cutoff point, may make the customer seek elsewhere
Most of the talk about ingenious market manipulation is just hot air. Some moron who doesnt understand the basics may think (if they're thinking at all) that they're "manipulating" but it's really their loss 
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