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Akura kawanaka Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.07.03 12:54:00 - [1] I've just started flying an onyx recently, and I'm debating the advantages of a buffer Vs passive regen setups. This is ONLY for use in 0.0, not lowsec gangs: Originally I thought that a passive set up would be great for smallish hac gangs, but then I realised that shield power relays murder your cap regen. If you have a long warp, it takes a very long time to regain your cap. Same goes if for any reason you need a burst of MWD. However, the advantage is that you can have a very nice 900-1000 dps tank. And works fine if you're just sitting there camping. I can see how a passive regen one would be nice for small lowsec gangs, or even individual pvp (maybe) (or highsec warfare)..... On the other hand, a buffer tank gives you more cap regen, allowing you to not worry about long warps or multiple uses of the mwd within a short period. The buffer tank on my fitting is close to 100k with it easily hitting 110k ehp when in a gang with bonuses. Which, even though you don't have the regen, in a gang fight you'll probably last as long or even longer than the passive setup. Also, you get the added advantage of being able to tank 2 Doomsdays (in the unlikely scenario that you encounter a titan or two in your roams) and you have the versatility of being able to use it to help lock down a system when your fleet is defending. So I'm left with the question: Is a passive setup good for anything in general 0.0 use? Why would you NOT buffer tank an onyx in 0.0?
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.03 12:59:00 - [2] You're supposed to use PDU II not SPRs.
Akura kawanaka Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.07.03 13:12:00 - [3] hmm - but that would seriously reduce the tank and I'm not putting shield rechargers in the mids... but I guess you can't have everything..
Mystafyre Caldari Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.07.03 13:14:00 - [4] Originally by: Malcanis You're supposed to use PDU II not SPRs. I don't see a reason why fleet tackler Onyx couldn't fit SPR's... In small gangs that's awesome and cheap tank. In larger ones, PDU's for buffer is better since you will be dead anyway
FlameGlow Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.03 13:21:00 - [5] In most cases for 0.0 you'll want extender rigs and shield buffer cap booster in med, 3SPR/1DC in low if you go after supercap(can drop the launchers) 3PDS/1DC in low if you work as a mobile bubble for med-large gang in 0.0 2 ballistic control, DC, PDS for PG in low if you're solo/small gang _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.03 13:22:00 - [6] Originally by: Mystafyre Originally by: Malcanis You're supposed to use PDU II not SPRs. I don't see a reason why fleet tackler Onyx couldn't fit SPR's... In small gangs that's awesome and cheap tank. In larger ones, PDU's for buffer is better since you will be dead anyway Because of these.
Righteous Gun	Posted - 2009.07.03 13:32:00 - [7] on the onyx you can also get a quite good (better than passive 3x PDU 1x DCU + purger rigs) active shield tank. 580tanked/700overloaded. food for thought. [Onyx, hac gang] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruption Field Generator I Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Mystafyre Caldari Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.07.03 13:34:00 - [8] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Mystafyre Originally by: Malcanis You're supposed to use PDU II not SPRs. I don't see a reason why fleet tackler Onyx couldn't fit SPR's... In small gangs that's awesome and cheap tank. In larger ones, PDU's for buffer is better since you will be dead anyway Because of these. Well PDU doesn't help against heavy neuts...cap is gone anyways...
Shinnen Caldari Northern Intelligence	Posted - 2009.07.03 13:53:00 - [9] Edited by: Shinnen on 03/07/2009 13:53:15 "smallish hac gangs" I read that as 3-4 HACS and 1 HIC. Thing is, if you in your small hac gang the focus isn't going to be on you but on the hacs, since you are probably deemed to be unkillable, and the dps from 4 hacs is nothing for a gang thats only a bit bigger than yours to get scared about. So don't bother going for uber tank, just fit mwd, extenders, couple of invuls, extender rigs, and damage mods in lows.
Akura kawanaka Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.07.03 14:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Shinnen Edited by: Shinnen on 03/07/2009 13:53:15 "smallish hac gangs" I read that as 3-4 HACS and 1 HIC. sorry, I meant "smallish ships" i.e. 10-20 hacs/lights as opposed to a RR BS gang.

Poses	Posted - 2009.07.03 14:50:00 - [11] i prefer passive regen on my 'voter
Khornne Caldari Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.07.03 16:29:00 - [12] [Broadsword, Win] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M Warp Disruption Field Generator I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I -- Khornne's Teamspeak Server Service
Akura kawanaka Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.07.03 16:38:00 - [13] Originally by: Khornne [Broadsword, Win] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M Warp Disruption Field Generator I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I yep, this is similar to my buffer onyx fit (sorry I'm at work so don't have EFT with me. I experimented with different combinations of extenders Vs hardners and I found that two extenders, two invulns and one [race specific weakest] hardener gave me more hit points than just filling up with extenders. having said that, I've only flown caldari and we have crap base EM resists so sticking an EM hardner on there does wonders... not sure what it's like for mini
Xianthar STK Scientific The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.03 16:49:00 - [14] Originally by: Mystafyre Well PDU doesn't help against heavy neuts...cap is gone anyways... not really, cycle time on a heavy neut is really long, with added cap regen and proper cycle timing on your injector you can keep a focus point up with a lot on neuts on you. imo if your in 0.0 always fit for titan/mom/carrier tackle unless your just station camping, being able to grab one when the opportunity comes up is priceless. catch one with a crap fit and you'll be slapping yourself as he warps away. small gang or not if you can hold em for a bit you can just jump in dreads to finish the job.
FT Diomedes Gallente Factio Paucorum	Posted - 2009.07.03 16:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Khornne [Broadsword, Win] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M Warp Disruption Field Generator I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I I like this setup, but I fit an extra WDFG on there. That way I have the bubble and the 30km uber-point. Without having to swap scripts. ...this doesn't even seem to be a regular case of rats fleeing the sinking ship. Seems more like the rats are on fire, the ship is on fire, and the sea is full of drunk Russians. - Jacob Etienne
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2009.07.03 17:34:00 - [16] [Onyx,0.0, EHP] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II 10MN Afterburner II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Warp Disruption Field Generator I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Dasalt Istgut	Posted - 2009.07.03 18:36:00 - [17] Originally by: Soporo [Onyx,0.0, EHP] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II 10MN Afterburner II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Warp Disruption Field Generator I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Need a MWD to keep a bubble over a cloaker. That doesn't invalidate the fit, its just something worth thinking about.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.07.03 19:53:00 - [18] Originally by: Soporo [Onyx,0.0, EHP] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II 10MN Afterburner II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Warp Disruption Field Generator I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I lol afterburner lol missile launchers lol single WTFG lol carebear fit lol soporo If you're in a HIC, your job is to tackle. You want Nos to maintain cap, MWD to maintain range and multiple WTFG. And maybe a smartbomb to kill drones. If you're interested in anything other than tackling, then you've brought the wrong ship.
Niko Takahashi	Posted - 2009.07.04 21:39:00 - [19] Originally by: Gypsio III Originally by: Soporo [Onyx,0.0, EHP] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II 10MN Afterburner II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Warp Disruption Field Generator I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I lol afterburner lol missile launchers lol single WTFG lol carebear fit lol soporo If you're in a HIC, your job is to tackle. You want Nos to maintain cap, MWD to maintain range and multiple WTFG. And maybe a smartbomb to kill drones. If you're interested in anything other than tackling, then you've brought the wrong ship. LOL At you
Shinnen Caldari Northern Intelligence	Posted - 2009.07.04 22:16:00 - [20] Originally by: Akura kawanaka Originally by: Shinnen Edited by: Shinnen on 03/07/2009 13:53:15 "smallish hac gangs" I read that as 3-4 HACS and 1 HIC. sorry, I meant "smallish ships" i.e. 10-20 hacs/lights as opposed to a RR BS gang. Then onyx with high passive regen. I'd say, but I only fly my HICs in small gangs (as in with low numbers). Sorry for not understanding.

Zeerover DeadSpace Exploration and Investigations	Posted - 2009.07.05 03:32:00 - [21] Edited by: Zeerover on 05/07/2009 03:33:14 [Onyx] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Warp Disruption Field Generator I, Focused Warp Disruption Warp Disruption Field Generator I, Focused Warp Disruption Warp Disruption Field Generator I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I This setup requires help from several webbers (has no MWD), but traders that for 40% extra EHP (153000 EHP with my skills) and a 500 dps omni passive tank. Question is if the MWD is worth the 45000EHP difference if you're in a medium large camp gang.


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