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Kessiaan
Minmatar
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2009.07.04 04:23:00 -
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Not sure if this is intended or not, so I figured I'd post here before I bug report it.
Anyway... I'm -10, but wasn't under GCC. My buddy in a Celestis remote-sensor boosted me. He got shot by the sentry guns. Intended? Or not?
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Mickey Simon
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.07.04 04:40:00 -
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Yes, it happens that way.
Not sure if CCP ultimately intended that to happen or not, but they haven't shown any real indication that they give a toss which is a bit annoying tbh.
Makes RR-ing in a pirate corp ridiculously hard, because even if you don't have a GCC, when the fleet reps itself everyone gets a GCC and suddenly the "good" guys get a massive advantage in the form of gateguns - even if the pirates did not initiate the combat.
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Rock urSocksoff
Incura
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Posted - 2009.07.04 04:54:00 -
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I do believe Lark has brought this to the CSM.
 Originally by: Saluss
Its a bad world in EvE and everyone wants your Retail shuttle.
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Agent Known
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.07.04 05:00:00 -
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From my understanding it was an intended mechanic, but it sorta backfires...
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K1RTH G3RS3N
Haunted House
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Posted - 2009.07.04 06:16:00 -
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its for helping a criminal... its like the equivalent of assisting a fugitive on the run - you get shot on sight, isn't that what happens in real life?
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TriIIion
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Posted - 2009.07.04 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: K1RTH G3RS3N
its for helping a criminal... its like the equivalent of assisting a fugitive on the run - you get shot on sight, isn't that what happens in real life?
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z0de
Gallente
The Bastards
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Posted - 2009.07.04 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: z0de on 04/07/2009 12:01:27
Originally by: K1RTH G3RS3N
its for helping a criminal... its like the equivalent of assisting a fugitive on the run - you get shot on sight, isn't that what happens in real life?
Ofcourse, like that time my stoner friend stayed at my house and then the cops came and killed me because he had done drugs yesterday and then let my friend go.
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Kazang
Gallente
Wrecking Shots
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Posted - 2009.07.04 12:02:00 -
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Problem is that outlaws would just use RR gangs to roll around highsec tanking the navy and killing any carebear stupid enough to fire at the flashy.
Kazang
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Kessiaan
Minmatar
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2009.07.04 14:04:00 -
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Did a bit of research (well, my corp did), apparently this gives you a faction hit too.
I can see RRing in highsec, but in lowsec it really doesn't make much sense, IMO. How hard can it be to add a check for system sec. status?
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Crazy Tasty
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.07.04 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kazang
Problem is that outlaws would just use RR gangs to roll around highsec tanking the navy and killing any carebear stupid enough to fire at the flashy.
Actually that's not what would happen at all, since as soon as they shot the carebare they would have GCC, and Concord isn't tankable these days.
Easy fix for all of it would be making the GCC flag transferable just like any other aggression flag. For example, if you have GCC and you get repped, the person that repped you now has it, same as would happen for stealing from a can.
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Muad' Dib
Gallente
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.07.04 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 04/07/2009 15:07:19
Originally by: Kessiaan
Not sure if this is intended or not, so I figured I'd post here before I bug report it.
Anyway... I'm -10, but wasn't under GCC. My buddy in a Celestis remote-sensor boosted me. He got shot by the sentry guns. Intended? Or not?
Welcome to ... 2004 or 2005 ?
Originally by: K1RTH G3RS3N
its for helping a criminal... its like the equivalent of assisting a fugitive on the run - you get shot on sight, isn't that what happens in real life?
Confirming the crap rl metaphor is crap.
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Muad' Dib
Gallente
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.07.04 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Crazy Tasty
Originally by: Kazang
Problem is that outlaws would just use RR gangs to roll around highsec tanking the navy and killing any carebear stupid enough to fire at the flashy.
Actually that's not what would happen at all, since as soon as they shot the carebare they would have GCC, and Concord isn't tankable these days.
Easy fix for all of it would be making the GCC flag transferable just like any other aggression flag. For example, if you have GCC and you get repped, the person that repped you now has it, same as would happen for stealing from a can.
Besides what crazy said, the navy's are pretty strong and do respond to outlaws. If an outlaw gang gets stuck on a high-sec gate, even without GCC, their dead.
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Re'taka
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2009.07.04 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Crazy Tasty
Originally by: Kazang
Problem is that outlaws would just use RR gangs to roll around highsec tanking the navy and killing any carebear stupid enough to fire at the flashy.
Actually that's not what would happen at all, since as soon as they shot the carebare they would have GCC, and Concord isn't tankable these days.
Easy fix for all of it would be making the GCC flag transferable just like any other aggression flag. For example, if you have GCC and you get repped, the person that repped you now has it, same as would happen for stealing from a can.
LOL, Whats this, people in C&P dont know the rules. Ok guys, this is how it works.
if you remote aid a -5 or lower, you will get an aggression flag to the faction who's space your in and in turn be shot at.
Now if your giving remote aid of any kind, to someone with a GCC that is to say, they shot someone and are in the process of getting concorded, then you will recieve the GCC as well, and in turn be concorded for offering remote aid.
Hope this helped, its not an bug, it is an intended feature.
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Raimo
Gallente
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.07.04 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Crazy Tasty
Actually that's not what would happen at all, since as soon as they shot the carebare they would have GCC, and Concord isn't tankable these days.
Do outlaws get GCC if they respond to fire in high sec? IIRC they don't in low sec, why would that work differently?
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Crazy Tasty
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.07.04 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Re'taka
LOL, Whats this, people in C&P dont know the rules. Ok guys, this is how it works.
if you remote aid a -5 or lower, you will get an aggression flag to the faction who's space your in and in turn be shot at.
Now if your giving remote aid of any kind, to someone with a GCC that is to say, they shot someone and are in the process of getting concorded, then you will recieve the GCC as well, and in turn be concorded for offering remote aid.
Hope this helped, its not an bug, it is an intended feature.
Might want to check your facts before you post. If you remotely aid someone -5 or below regardless of their current flags, you get GCC + a sec hit. Obviously in high sec this would result in Concord.
The thing people have issues with is aiding someone -5 or below that has absolutely no aggression at all, and still receiving GCC.
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.04 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: TriIIion
Confirming eve is RL.
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Raimo
Gallente
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.07.04 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Crazy Tasty
Might want to check your facts before you post. If you remotely aid someone -5 or below regardless of their current flags, you get GCC + a sec hit. Obviously in high sec this would result in Concord.
The thing people have issues with is aiding someone -5 or below that has absolutely no aggression at all, and still receiving GCC.
Ok, I have been misinformed if that is the case. Good to know... And I heartily support a change to this!
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.04 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Crazy Tasty
Actually that's not what would happen at all, since as soon as they shot the carebare they would have GCC, and Concord isn't tankable these days.
What he meant was that a spider tanking outlaw gang could roll around high-sec being red on everyones overview, thus leading people to try their luck shooting them, including carebears ("omg red = must shoot at it in my CNR, which tanks missions no problem!" mentality)
The outlaws wouldn't get Concorded for responding to aggression, though obviously only the ones aggressed would be able to return fire.
Incidentally it's not the Navy that deals with outlaws, it's the Police. I don't know how hard they hit, but would they spawn a seperate group for each outlaw or concentrate fire on the first one to land on grid? I suspect the latter.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.07.05 20:16:00 -
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This is actually a side effect of the fix they put in for folks who were remote repairing mission rats.
They put a fix in that if you remote repaired an outlaw (-5 or lower) you would get concordokken. Since all rats are -10 automatically, it worked wonders.
Perhaps unintended consequence, you remote rep an outlaw player, you get concorded ;)
I believe it was unintended. But I think they like it. 
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Larkonis TrassIer
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.07.05 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rock urSocksoff
I do believe Lark has brought this to the CSM.
Yes... yes I did, and it was voted on. So expect something to be done about it (if at all) within the next 12-18 months.
Fighting for justice
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kessah
XERCORE
Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.07.06 07:09:00 -
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Edited by: kessah on 06/07/2009 07:11:48
It was intended i believe.
Way back when i started eve, there was an incident in Nonni and another system close to Yulai where pirate would use remote rep battleship gang to get by concord by remote repping the single ship that was being flagged.
Many bears died, at the time i thought it was rather clever, but as it flags the remote reppers it allows concord to shoot them to prevent it. -il also add, there never used to be 6 sentries on the gate to high sec, so it was easier to tank concord.
As the reason Mines were taken out because people used to mine the stations 90km out as the npc haulers used to travel out that far and drop expensive loots.
Its an old change, but i dont know if its still worth having...
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.07.06 10:32:00 -
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Gosh, you mean being a pirate has consequences?
Goodness. Who would have even thunk it?
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.06 11:25:00 -
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Since you can't tank CONCORD anymore (like mOo did) it seems like a legacy thing that should be removed.
Whilst there should (and is) consequences for being an outlaw, it's counter-intuitive that you can fly around high-sec as an outlaw relatively unmolested with CONCORD completely ignoring you even if they're already on grid, but if anyone confers any positive buff to your ship at all suddenly they drop their donuts and bbq the "neutral", leaving the outlaw untouched.
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Guru Saurfang
Highlanders.
Legiunea ROmana
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Posted - 2009.07.06 12:04:00 -
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I believe people start discussing without understanding the issue. Let me try to write it down again for you. If someone aggress first outside the war/wreck(cane) ownership/or standing mechanics in low and high sec gets a GCCà regardless of his standing. Helping that person is not really good and that is normal.
Now imagine that you repair your pirate friend, that did not attack anybody lately (or he just defend himself or killed others pirates) so the gates/station guns are not shooting at him. But they start shooting at you. Or imagine a gate camp in low sec where there is no prey yet but one of the logistic start buffing a red member. He gets a GCC and might die for that. Maybe this is the secret CCP tool against the gatecamping. Killing the support but letting the criminal go ... this guy should have a hell of a lawyer.
People might say that one must pay for helping a pirate. Those people really understood what EVE is all about. They shoot your raven, they should pay! And if the game mechanics did not punish them when they did it, at least we got some revenge from the logistic loss of their friend.
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RedSplat
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.07.06 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tiny Tove
Gosh, you mean being a pirate has consequences?
Goodness. Who would have even thunk it?
You mean like how living in Highsec under invulnerable infalliable NPC protection has no consequences for Highsec Carebears?
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
it does get progressively longer.
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.07.06 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Guru Saurfang
I believe people start discussing without understanding the issue. Let me try to write it down again for you. If someone aggress first outside the war/wreck(cane) ownership/or standing mechanics in low and high sec gets a GCCà regardless of his standing. Helping that person is not really good and that is normal.
Now imagine that you repair your pirate friend, that did not attack anybody lately (or he just defend himself or killed others pirates) so the gates/station guns are not shooting at him. But they start shooting at you. Or imagine a gate camp in low sec where there is no prey yet but one of the logistic start buffing a red member. He gets a GCC and might die for that. Maybe this is the secret CCP tool against the gatecamping. Killing the support but letting the criminal go ... this guy should have a hell of a lawyer.
People might say that one must pay for helping a pirate. Those people really understood what EVE is all about. They shoot your raven, they should pay! And if the game mechanics did not punish them when they did it, at least we got some revenge from the logistic loss of their friend.
Just so we are clear, if somebody disagrees with you, it's because they simply don't understand?
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.07.06 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat
Originally by: Tiny Tove
Gosh, you mean being a pirate has consequences?
Goodness. Who would have even thunk it?
You mean like how living in Highsec under invulnerable infalliable NPC protection has no consequences for Highsec Carebears?
Oh snap, you totally changed the subject and declared victory!
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RedSplat
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.07.06 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tiny Tove
Oh snap, you totally changed the subject and declared victory!
Neener neener
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
it does get progressively longer.
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