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Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:25:00 -
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WTF, you people are still talking? GTFO of here! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
1026
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:26:00 -
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Try to not post in General Discussion if you want intelligent responses.
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
88
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:27:00 -
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(crickets) (crickets)
Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do.
~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
budlight12
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:28:00 -
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well if i wanted that i would post on the MIT web site |
Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:30:00 -
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budlight12 wrote:well i have gone though a few forums here and found that a hand full of players that dare to speak there minds and then got trolled or even talking about something else and got trolled
well i know that i not taking sides but still is the goal to run players off this game or what
Posting a well thought out argument for something a large number of players might want will decrease your chances of getting trolled by about 2.1% or so. But it will usually generate some thoughtful responses in reply.
Speaking your mind (which usually means an emotional brain fart about getting ganked or some such) will ensure a nearly perfect troll record.
Either way, you need a fairly thick skin and the ability to ignore the chaff and find the wheat. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
822
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:34:00 -
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Savage Angel wrote:Speaking your mind (which usually means an emotional brain fart about getting ganked or some such) will ensure a nearly perfect troll record.
Wait, did the OP lose a freighter to Burn Jita, or a hulk to Hulkageddon?
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Leetha Layne
24
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:37:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:Freedom of speech is for pussies. Now STFU, I hate you. Besides that, how's life otherwise, you strange caterpillar you......
How can I miss you if you won't go away?
- Grouch Marx
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Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
88
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:40:00 -
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Leetha Layne wrote:Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:Freedom of speech is for pussies. Now STFU, I hate you. Besides that, how's life otherwise, you strange caterpillar you...... How can I miss you if you won't go away? - Grouch Marx
Gee. I've never had this much attention while trying to date even. Even Personal Hero Quotes without asking. Why, thank you. Can I have flowers next time instead ?
Maybe I should just permanently 'threaten' to 'maybe' quit, and see how that goes, what say ??
Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do.
~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
1219
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:42:00 -
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budlight12 wrote:well in some cases yes but i see the newer poster get trolled more then the older ones
I've seen several new player posts where what they posted about was totally uninteresting and if posted by a vet would be burned down, get lots of support and thumbs up from confirmed GD trolls
it all depends on what you say
also keep in mind that many "new players" are simply pity alts created to try and pretend that they are new customers about to unsub because of something that really happened to their main
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
3888
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:47:00 -
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Ituhata Saken wrote:AFK Hauler wrote:You just had to say something didn't you.... I never get over your carebear stare. The way I see it, EvE is alot like current American politics. No matter what you say about the game, whether it be constructive or non-constructive criticism or just suggestions to improve the game, someone from one side of the aisle will stand up and begin a relentless assault on why you are wrong, and why you are what's wrong with the game, and belittle you. Followed by members from the other side of the aisle counter-attacking and declaring why you are right and why the other side is what's wrong with the game. Meanwhile the rest of us watch the ensuing debate with mild interest, but everyone knows at the end of the day nothing productive ever gets done and life goes on.
I'm not sure I entirely agree; I have a couple of threads with serious proposals for major changes in the game that are, I'd say, 90% populated by positive and constructive responses. It is possible.
However.
It is the sad truth that most OPs don't really deserve much respect in the way of positive, constructive responses. They are generally badly typed, poorly constructed, lacking insight and demonstrate an incredible level of short-term self-centeredness.
So to answer the OP's question: yes, speaking your mind is wrong when your mind is lazy, lacking in knowledge and coherence, and unwilling to adapt it's viewpoints and axioms. YMMV. TANSTAAFL. All Rights Reserved.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:48:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Savage Angel wrote:Speaking your mind (which usually means an emotional brain fart about getting ganked or some such) will ensure a nearly perfect troll record. Wait, did the OP lose a freighter to Burn Jita, or a hulk to Hulkageddon?
Yeah, you wish!
" Take my love, take my land, take me where I can not stand,
I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. "
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
822
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:51:00 -
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Morganta wrote:also keep in mind that many "new players" are simply pity alts created to try and pretend that they are new customers about to unsub because of something that really happened to their main
Now if only we could find a 4 day NPC corp alt "new player" complaining about losing their hulk ...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
764
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:52:00 -
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budlight12 wrote:well if i wanted that i would post on the MIT web site
This post is why people troll you. And you deserve everything you get.
Why does everyone claim to be a real life
1. Aspie
2. Sociopath
3. High IQ
and then get upset when people troll them to death.
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
320
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:57:00 -
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Shhh! Your gonna get us all killed if you keep running your mouth!
Loose lips, gank spaceships! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
1027
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:58:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:I speak my mind all the time. After a while, they get numb to your presence and find newer people to troll.
Confirming. I can't even keep a thread on the front page anymore. It's sad.
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:58:00 -
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Kidd's Sh+»tometer is about to explode in this thread. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1037
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Posted - 2012.05.21 19:57:00 -
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Tippia wrote:SoGǪ you should be able to speak your mind, but they shouldn't be able to speak their mind in opposition?
Essentially this.
People come to the forums, they make badly articulated threads supported by data they either made up or haven't understood and then we get called trolls for calling them out on their failings.
This is a discussion forum, yet some people come here under the impression that anyone joining the discussion with a view polar to their own is some kind of troll. We aren't trolls, we are just very thorough in presenting our arguments concerning internet space ships.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
825
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:02:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Tippia wrote:SoGǪ you should be able to speak your mind, but they shouldn't be able to speak their mind in opposition? Essentially this. People come to the forums, they make badly articulated threads supported by data they either made up or haven't understood and then we get called trolls for calling them out on their failings. This is a discussion forum, yet some people come here under the impression that anyone joining the discussion with a view polar to their own is some kind of troll. We aren't trolls, we are just very thorough in presenting our arguments concerning internet space ships.
I'm a troll because I agree with people. Granted, they might be trolls themselves (or goons), but ...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Ocih
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
205
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:03:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Tippia wrote:SoGǪ you should be able to speak your mind, but they shouldn't be able to speak their mind in opposition? Essentially this. People come to the forums, they make badly articulated threads supported by data they either made up or haven't understood and then we get called trolls for calling them out on their failings. This is a discussion forum, yet some people come here under the impression that anyone joining the discussion with a view polar to their own is some kind of troll. We aren't trolls, we are just very thorough in presenting our arguments concerning internet space ships.
Not agreeing with you isn't trolling.
Trolls seldom have an opinion though. They simply act contrary for the sake of acting contrary. Do their best to derail and most of the time start by telling you how dumb you are, never really explaining why. EVE forums and it isn't restricted to GD in any way shape or form is full of this.
Every thread in EVE is hit with a full page of one liners and snot shots with no content or substance related to the OP. Most forums you stop reading after page one because it becomes a bickering contest. EVE forums, you dont even start reading until page 2 because Page one is troll baits.
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1037
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:15:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Tippia wrote:SoGǪ you should be able to speak your mind, but they shouldn't be able to speak their mind in opposition? Essentially this. People come to the forums, they make badly articulated threads supported by data they either made up or haven't understood and then we get called trolls for calling them out on their failings. This is a discussion forum, yet some people come here under the impression that anyone joining the discussion with a view polar to their own is some kind of troll. We aren't trolls, we are just very thorough in presenting our arguments concerning internet space ships. Not agreeing with you isn't trolling. Trolls seldom have an opinion though. They simply act contrary for the sake of acting contrary. Do their best to derail and most of the time start by telling you how dumb you are, never really explaining why. EVE forums and it isn't restricted to GD in any way shape or form is full of this. Every thread in EVE is hit with a full page of one liners and snot shots with no content or substance related to the OP. Most forums you stop reading after page one because it becomes a bickering contest. EVE forums, you dont even start reading until page 2 because Page one is troll baits.
Obviously there are the genuine trolls, who just post one liners or personal attacks, but quite a few posters on here go very in depth explaining their opinions.
Tippia is a good example of this, I've seen her in a number of threads write half page replies where every point and counterpoint is supported with evidence and thoroughly thought through logical arguments. Then I see the post dismissed as trolling because it doesn't agree with the OP.
Similarly anyone ever found to be in support of ganking or violence is dismissed as a troll. The main problem for me with these forums isn't the trolling, its the people who cry troll every time they meet an argument they can't dismiss with persuasive reasoning.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
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Telegram Sam
The Drones Club
288
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:06:00 -
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When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
-Jonathan Swift
But in forums, all the dunces can be in confederacy against a mediocre guy too.
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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
215
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:16:00 -
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Tourette's syndrome is a **** wonderful thing.
EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Shian Yang
188
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:18:00 -
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budlight12 wrote:well i have gone though a few forums here and found that a hand full of players that dare to speak there minds and then got trolled or even talking about something else and got trolled
well i know that i not taking sides but still is the goal to run players off this game or what
Greetings capsuleer,
No, speaking your mind is not wrong. It is a fundamental tenet of these boards. However, if you speak only idiot you should expect to be mocked, laughed at and to have your mind ridiculed.
As other capsuleers are also speaking their minds.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
840
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:22:00 -
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Shian Yang wrote:budlight12 wrote:well i have gone though a few forums here and found that a hand full of players that dare to speak there minds and then got trolled or even talking about something else and got trolled
well i know that i not taking sides but still is the goal to run players off this game or what Greetings capsuleer, No, speaking your mind is not wrong. It is a fundamental tenet of these boards. However, if you speak only idiot you should expect to be mocked, laughed at and to have your mind ridiculed. As other capsuleers are also speaking their minds. Regards, Shian Yang
Granted, the forums are mostly idiot, so there you have it...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Ituhata Saken
Crimson Cross Destroyers
58
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:37:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:*snip* I said some stuff I'm not sure I entirely agree; I have a couple of threads with serious proposals for major changes in the game that are, I'd say, 90% populated by positive and constructive responses. It is possible. However. It is the sad truth that most OPs don't really deserve much respect in the way of positive, constructive responses. They are generally badly typed, poorly constructed, lacking insight and demonstrate an incredible level of short-term self-centeredness. So to answer the OP's question: yes, speaking your mind is wrong when your mind is lazy, lacking in knowledge and coherence, and unwilling to adapt it's viewpoints and axioms. YMMV. TANSTAAFL. All Rights Reserved.
I suppose I should have refined my scope to EvE General Discussion. I rarely if ever roam outside its borders.
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Pok Nibin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
174
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:20:00 -
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Let's say you see a fat, old lady wobbling up the street. You think to yourself, "Hey. There's a fat, old lady wobbling up the street." Then, you shout, "Hey! Fat old lady wobbling up the street!" That'd be wrong.
Let's say you see a post criticizing the arbitrary and short-sighted way a particular (nameless) forum is being moderated by a handful of rank amateurs who succeed in only curbing freedom of speech, but are in no way organizing or managing the threads. And, this post is locked with an admonition to the poster to "Watch out what you say about how we moderate this forum!" So, you post in this forum (unamed), "Hey! The way you moderate this forum sucks!" That, too, would be wrong.
On the other hand, observing how the wind blows in a particular community (unamed) you pucker up and post something like, "Goons? They're great! I'm not against Goons!" (In hopes they leave you off their Shoot On Sight list,) THAT would be a good thing. It would be perfectly RIGHT!
(How'm I doin'?)
Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
843
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:26:00 -
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Pok Nibin wrote:On the other hand, observing how the wind blows in a particular community (unamed) you pucker up and post something like, "Goons? They're great! I'm not against Goons!" (In hopes they leave you off their Shoot On Sight list,) THAT would be a good thing. It would be perfectly RIGHT!
Use a forums alt, rage at goons all day.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Pok Nibin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
174
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:28:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Pok Nibin wrote:On the other hand, observing how the wind blows in a particular community (unamed) you pucker up and post something like, "Goons? They're great! I'm not against Goons!" (In hopes they leave you off their Shoot On Sight list,) THAT would be a good thing. It would be perfectly RIGHT! Use a forums alt, rage at goons all day.
Oh that you were worth the bandwidth. (You can't tell when you're the BUTT of a joke? Thot not.)
Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
bongsmoke
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:41:00 -
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budlight12 wrote:well i have gone though a few forums here and found that a hand full of players that dare to speak there minds and then got trolled or even talking about something else and got trolled
well i know that i not taking sides but still is the goal to run players off this game or what
Its all personal perception. You need thick skin to deal with some of the peeps here. If you post on your main, i would be somewhat tame in what you say, use an alt to post (not in your corp).
Never be afraid to ask questions, many will be willing to help you out, regardless of trolls. |
Jame Jarl Retief
Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne
92
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:52:00 -
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budlight12 wrote:well i have gone though a few forums here and found that a hand full of players that dare to speak there minds and then got trolled or even talking about something else and got trolled
well i know that i not taking sides but still is the goal to run players off this game or what
As a general rule, on any forum, speaking your mind is perfectly OK...as long as what you say doesn't conflict in any way with the "accepted" vision of things.
For example, if you were to say "EVE is hard", you would get none or very few people arguing otherwise. If you said EVE in some ways is easier than WoW, because even WoW doesn't have local on PvP servers, you'll be smacked topside the head so friggin' hard, within seconds you'll find you've been hammered into the ground up to your ears. Even if what you said is perfectly true.
Same goes for literally every forum out there. The moment you say something that goes contrary to the belief of the vocal minority, you'll get trolled to death. And depending on the moderators, even suspended or banned. Like when I was playing Darkfall, and presented some accurate observations about the state of the game...BAM...one month suspension. Even though what I said was absolutely 100% accurate, it wasn't an opinion, just hard verifiable facts.
It's perfectly normal. And you do have a choice. You can speak your piece and then get trolled/eat a suspension, or you can nod along like everyone else, or you can quit. It's up to you. But speaking from the high pedestal of advanced age, I can tell you none of this matters one iota. In 10 years, nobody is going to give a flying gak about any of this, including you. |
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