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Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.07.06 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Clair Bear on 06/07/2009 16:34:35
No, this is not what you think.
I was just browsing the latest batch of wardec whines and it hit me -- the biggest problem with wardecs is the lack of consequence for declaring them. 2 million ISK is nothing to any player older than a week and it's less than nothing to a corp.
What we need is for CONCORD to demand payment not in ISK but in a special flavor of ice, which can only be mined in those horrific mining missions. About 1 million m^3 per corp or alliance member per week should be about right. Call it Slashwristite or Boringeum or something. Wardec would be implemented as missions, taking affect on completion (mining out the deadspace pocket ice).
While it's eminently fair to demand miners get a few million SP in combat skills, it's also fair to demand combatants spend a few weeks training for barges. It's very eve to demand newblets be camped in station for weeks on end or drop corp -- but it'd be just as fair to demand that combatants claw their faces off staring at mining lasers for days on end to pay for their pew.
Wardecs would become serious rather than frivolous business. Plus, more defenseless mining barges for me to gank.
Make it so!
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2009.07.06 16:40:00 -
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I dont think this is the right way, but I¦d like to nerf wardeccing as well
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crimson moon81
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Posted - 2009.07.06 16:41:00 -
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I smell a wow player...
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Muhammed Jafar
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Posted - 2009.07.06 16:42:00 -
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Did someone violence your ship in high sec?
My condolences.
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Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.07.06 16:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Muhammed Jafar
Did someone violence your ship in high sec?
My condolences.
Yes, yes they have. I've got a full page of megathron losses in the last week or so. Those bullies MUST be stopped!
Until the stoppage I will be safely ensconced in my beloved NPC corp, harvesting ice in my gist booster equipped barge in Osmon, Mitsolen, Vattoulen or possibly Sirseshin.
And in summary, bigger blobs are the answer. Now what was the question? |
Aurora Nyx
Caldari
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.07.06 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Clair Bear
What we need is for CONCORD to demand payment not in ISK but in a special flavor of ice, which can only be mined in those horrific mining missions. About 1 million m^3 per corp or alliance member per week should be about right. Call it Slashwristite or Boringeum or something. Wardec would be implemented as missions, taking affect on completion (mining out the deadspace pocket ice).
Unfortunately any such resource would instantly be farmed by macro groups, and financially astute privateers.
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2009.07.06 17:25:00 -
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you could just make a war dec to a corp cost 1 billion, that way war decs should become meaningful at least. Now if all players leave the decced corp, the griefer was griefed 
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Some Advisor
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Posted - 2009.07.06 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Clair Bear
No, this is not what you think.
stopping you right there... How do you suppose to know what i think? :P
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.07.06 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Clair Bear
I was just browsing the latest batch of wardec whines and it hit me -- the biggest problem with wardecs is the lack of consequence for declaring them.
Oh I don't know. There can be rather devastating consequences from wardeccing people: sometimes, they just don't want to fight and you end up being punished by endless station camps and a complete lack of fun.
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Viqer Fell
Minmatar
The Good old Days
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Posted - 2009.07.06 17:48:00 -
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I know it's bad form to simply dismiss an idea without even given it a moments serious consideration but your idea, madam, stinks 
As a corp you have all the ****ing about with the vote system that 2 times in 10 forgets you voted yes and you have to then wait another day to actually get the war rolling.
Then just when you think the fun is about to start all those juicy targets up and clone jump 30 jumps away, or corp hop into an NPC corp, or dock, or log and before you know it the 75 man corp your ickle 6 man group war decced has suddenly turned into the ghost of "christmas never going to happen".
Yes the cost of the war is minimal in terms of ISK but don't let this fool you into believing that the war costs nothing at all in terms of effort and frustration.
My angle on this is somewhat skewed by the fact I ran a mercenary corp and alliance for 3 years and as such have a great deal of experience with prosecuting wars that had a purpose and therefore we had cause to be cheesed off if our targets hid from the war. Ultimately though you have to recall that many people who pvp as their primary game dont ever get much time to wander off earning isk and with some wars against alliances costing many tens and tens of millions you can quickly deplete a wallet in no time if you spend your wad on buying shinies.
Eve is a harsh game with harsh penalties for dying (well it used to be anyways  ) but the main point to my min is that there should always be a risk to undocking, space should never ever be safe and this move towards reducing the risk by limiting the functionality and scope of wars is the wrong way to go.
I hope that made sense but I am jet lagged to hell and have been up now for almost 80 odd hours straight 
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.06 17:50:00 -
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-9000/10 worst troll ever
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.07.06 18:14:00 -
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Successful troll spotted 
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Hot Fudge
Minmatar
Sweet -N- Sticky
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Posted - 2009.07.06 18:18:00 -
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Oink.
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Sweet, sticky, and bad for your health. |
Kessiaan
Minmatar
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2009.07.06 18:20:00 -
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TROLL!
Wardeccing is broken but this isn't the answer.
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Holy Lowlander
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.07.06 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Successful troll spotted
and a prety damn good one as well
09/10
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buttesauce
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Posted - 2009.07.06 18:41:00 -
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CCP should return wardecs back to the way they were!
Might makes right!
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Kewso
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Posted - 2009.07.06 18:46:00 -
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Make wardec cost 1 billion isk most corps have this easily, but then every week have the wardec cost double itself. so week 1 = 1 billion
week 2 = 2 billion
week 3 = 4 billion
etc
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.07.06 19:23:00 -
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The way to fix wardecs is to make them fairly expensive (100m/week for a corp, 500m/week for an alliance) and add this consequence for fleeing a corp or alliance while under wardec: if you leave, the wardec is permanent against that corp or individual until the declaring entity nullifies it, regardless of whether or not the entity or individual is in an NPC corp or what not, and it will continue without cost to the declaring entity after the initial paid time is over.
TL;DR: IF YOU LEAVE A CORP/ALLIANCE WHILE UNDER WARDEC, IT WILL CONTINUE ***FOREVER*** until the declaring entity removes it, regardless of NPC corp status.
Win.
-murder one
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Faife
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.07.06 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
The way to fix wardecs is to make them fairly expensive (100m/week for a corp, 500m/week for an alliance) and add this consequence for fleeing a corp or alliance while under wardec: if you leave, the wardec is permanent against that corp or individual until the declaring entity nullifies it, regardless of whether or not the entity or individual is in an NPC corp or what not, and it will continue without cost to the declaring entity after the initial paid time is over.
TL;DR: IF YOU LEAVE A CORP/ALLIANCE WHILE UNDER WARDEC, IT WILL CONTINUE ***FOREVER*** until the declaring entity removes it, regardless of NPC corp status.
Win.
great, so you get an alt char into a corp, war dec them, then drop your alt out. free infiniwar.
hurr.
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buttesauce
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Posted - 2009.07.06 21:20:00 -
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yea free infiniwar only on the alt that left
i actually like that idea, it punishes the deserters
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The PitBoss
Caldari
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.06 23:04:00 -
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I hear war decs being discussed?
Thank-You,
The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss)
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Stil Harkonnen
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Posted - 2009.07.07 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
The way to fix wardecs is to make them fairly expensive (100m/week for a corp, 500m/week for an alliance) and add this consequence for fleeing a corp or alliance while under wardec: if you leave, the wardec is permanent against that corp or individual until the declaring entity nullifies it, regardless of whether or not the entity or individual is in an NPC corp or what not, and it will continue without cost to the declaring entity after the initial paid time is over.
TL;DR: IF YOU LEAVE A CORP/ALLIANCE WHILE UNDER WARDEC, IT WILL CONTINUE ***FOREVER*** until the declaring entity removes it, regardless of NPC corp status.
Win.
I like this. War decs are too easy to avoid right now. I guess you could make it so they cost more to balance this out, but you can't make it too much isk or some corps who aren't ridiculously rich won't be able to dec anybody.
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Velvet Sinner
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Posted - 2009.07.07 01:39:00 -
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Still trying to get people to play EVE your way, eh, Claire?
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m3talc0re X
Caldari
SandStorm.
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Posted - 2009.07.07 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Stil Harkonnen
I like this. War decs are too easy to avoid right now. I guess you could make it so they cost more to balance this out, but you can't make it too much isk or some corps who aren't ridiculously rich won't be able to dec anybody.
I think that's the point. Wardecs are great for corps that have reasonable cause, but for a griefer corp to wardec some noob corp for no reason other than easy kills, it's messed up... Maybe freeze corp hopping during a war-dec and restrict war-decs from happening to corps only a day old...
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Tammin Sol
Out For Blood
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Posted - 2009.07.07 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: The PitBoss
I hear war decs being discussed?
Yes, I think this means you need to increase the requirements to join Privvies. Mining Barge V at least, I think...
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Lana Hellfury
Minmatar
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.07.07 03:41:00 -
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OMG! I came in to GD to troll this EXACT THING! Well done, would read again.
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Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2009.07.07 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kewso
Make wardec cost 1 billion isk most corps have this easily, but then every week have the wardec cost double itself. so week 1 = 1 billion
week 2 = 2 billion
week 3 = 4 billion
etc
:P
MOAR!
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Corp 1 Allstars
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Posted - 2009.07.07 04:27:00 -
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Here's the consequence: You can get shot back!
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Clara Mismer
Minmatar
Gulfonodi Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.07 05:15:00 -
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If your going to have CCP look at wardecs they should also address stations - they need a handle.
For say 1 M a person you pull the handle and dump all the people out of the station in what ever ships they happen to be in. After all if your going to make war decs more expensive you should also make them more worth taking out.
Also a great isk sink, think of all the money potential generated at Jita 4 -4, flushing people.
I miss the war dec system pre the alliance p ner***e,
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.07 07:59:00 -
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Actually the real problems with war decs would be more appropriately solved by increasing the cost to start a corp.
First corp costs 200M, second 400M, thrid 800M, etc.
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