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Inquisitor Cerberuso
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Posted - 2009.07.07 15:31:00 -
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UK spec.... Brand new...
BMW 320d M sport
or
Merc C220 sport diesel..
which one and why?
thanks :P
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.07.07 15:34:00 -
[2]
The one with the hybrid engine.
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xBLACKNOVAx
Custard Cream Appreciation Society
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Posted - 2009.07.07 15:57:00 -
[3]
 Originally by: Abrazzar
The one with the hybrid engine.
Neither are hybrids, just diesels from what I have seen.
I don't know what Mercedes are like now but they used to have real crap after sales service, basically once you had bought the car they weren't bothered about you any more which could be a total ***** if you had any problems. Personal opinion though is that the beamer is a much nicer looking car and write ups seem to be good for them. The merc though I think is about 5 thousand quid cheaper before extras. At the end of day though it's all down to personal preference.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.07.07 16:37:00 -
[4]
Cars suck. Who needs them.
Buy a cheap truck and a good motorcycle.
BMW makes very good motorcycles.
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Florio
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.07.07 17:52:00 -
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c class is for junior bank managers.
2 litre 3 series is underpowered. get a 2.5 litre 3 series.
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Captain Megadeath
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Posted - 2009.07.07 19:57:00 -
[6]
Answer this question.
Do you drive like a tw*t and think that the road is just made for you?
If yes, get the Beemer
If no, get the Merk.
 
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Captain Hudson
Caldari
Royal Hiigaran Navy
SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.07.07 20:00:00 -
[7]
Edited by: Captain Hudson on 07/07/2009 20:00:25
Originally by: Captain Megadeath
Answer this question.
Do you drive like a tw*t and think that the road is just made for you?
If yes, get the Beemer
If no, get the Merk.
This tbh, bmw's are for idiots
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Iasius
Mercurialis Inc.
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.07.07 20:02:00 -
[8]
Get a late 90's Mercedes 500SL.
Don't be a follower of fashion. Get an older stylish car.
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JeremyCricket
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Posted - 2009.07.07 21:21:00 -
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get the 320d, bmw diesels are way ahead of anyone else, but unless you need the space i would get a 120d or 123d
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.07.07 22:18:00 -
[10]
if BM 330d
if merc, well I would either get a CLS 320, or an AMG
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2009.07.07 22:44:00 -
[11]
/me has strong suspicions the OP is not very interested in OOPE dwellers' advice on his choice of car, but rather in informing said OOPE dwellers that he is planning to acquire a verhicle in the BMW 3 (M) / Merc C series range of brand newness....
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LUH 3471
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Posted - 2009.07.07 22:58:00 -
[12]
im cool
i go trabant everyday
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.07.07 23:11:00 -
[13]
also being an asshat, and if the OP is cool with coupTs, he should go for an A5 3.0 TDI quattro.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.07.08 00:37:00 -
[14]
I'd go with the Mercedes 2008 SLR class
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Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.07.08 00:44:00 -
[15]
BMWs are for ****s
diesel mercs are for bigger ****s
get a alpha
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Iasius
Mercurialis Inc.
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.07.08 01:33:00 -
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I had an Alfa Romeo 164 for a short time. The electrics were awfull. Modern ones are better for reliability but its a shame they dont do a single RWD model and have not for some time.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.07.08 06:51:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Iasius
I had an Alfa Romeo 164 for a short time. The electrics were awfull. Modern ones are better for reliability but its a shame they dont do a single RWD model and have not for some time.
and there's the problem of alphas.
great, stylish cars with good engines, until you go on the highway and your hood suddenly is ejected by an explosion and all you see ahead of you is black smoke.
happened twice to an acquaintance of mine, in a 146.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.07.08 07:31:00 -
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neither.. german cars
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XenoPagan
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Posted - 2009.07.08 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Iasius
I had an Alfa Romeo 164 for a short time. The electrics were awfull. Modern ones are better for reliability but its a shame they dont do a single RWD model and have not for some time.
and there's the problem of alphas.
great, stylish cars with good engines, until you go on the highway and your hood suddenly is ejected by an explosion and all you see ahead of you is black smoke.
happened twice to an acquaintance of mine, in a 146.
bought a Dodge Avenger month back, now waiting for Alfa-Romeo stickers to arrive to rebrand the car :P damn FIAT...
(joke, but sarcastic: FIAT starts selling Dodges in Europe as Alfa-Romeos)
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Fellet
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.07.08 10:00:00 -
[20]
e46 m3 
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McDaddy Pimp
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.07.09 18:30:00 -
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get a Lexus 220d  .
To many rich kids drive BMWs and their (very old) dad in Mercs.
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Iasius
Mercurialis Inc.
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.07.09 19:03:00 -
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I love the Aston Martin Lagonda. But they have the reliability of a victorian home riddled with damp.
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Jago Kain
Amarr
Ramm's RDI
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Posted - 2009.07.09 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Iasius
I love the Aston Martin Lagonda. But they have the reliability of a victorian home riddled with damp.
That's complete rubbish.
My uncle had one and sometimes it went over 20 miles between breakdowns.
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Kyanzes
Amarr
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2009.07.09 21:22:00 -
[24]
ML Mercedes FTW
OMG, you're actually going to pay a ****load of money for a car that has its wheel on the right? 
What a waste.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.09 21:32:00 -
[25]
i guess since im from the US id say Cadillac STS-V.
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Tzar'rim
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.09 22:32:00 -
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Depends on your needs and driving style. the BMW is more of a driver's car even in diesel form (the engine is quite decent actually). I'm not so sure on the styling tbh, if you're a big guy it'll feel cramped a bit.
Te C class is roomier and the new one looks great and should have a better build quality than the older ones. It is however less 'focussed' on being a driver's car, still very good but not like the BMW. That's not neccesarily a downside ofcourse as it depends on what you're looking for. The traction control will drive you up the wall if you like to find your own limits a lot.
If you want to have a really sporty car then the BMW is 'better', if you like sporty but at the same time don't want to get the 'urge to race' every 3 seconds then the C class is better. I'm certainly no Merc fan but the new C class is very good.
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Posted - 2009.07.09 22:54:00 -
[27]
Is this a hypothetical question, or are you really a lucky bastard?
I would go for the merc. Balls out sports is for bikes, cars should be more comfort. (*scratches head and wonders how he ended up driving an MG ZT).
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Iasius
Mercurialis Inc.
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.07.09 23:16:00 -
[28]
BMW's are great driver cars. Though they have an estate agent image.
One of favourite cars ever is the BMW M1. Such a sharp car.
The latest Mercedes C class saloons look very sharp. Less staid than previous models. They look modern but dont have the boring global jelly mould look.
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Alarik Frisch
Minmatar
GARDIAN DIVISION 00
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.07.10 01:04:00 -
[29]
BMW Z3. Preferably black in color. No question.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.10 03:20:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Alarik Frisch
BMW Z3. Preferably black in color. No question.
and a Manual Transmission, automatics are for full sized sedans.
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.07.10 07:11:00 -
[31]
Audi
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.07.10 09:36:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Thuul'Khalat
Audi
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.07.10 11:24:00 -
[33]
Why not a Volvo?
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Sazkyen
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Posted - 2009.07.10 11:48:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Sazkyen on 10/07/2009 11:48:38
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Thuul'Khalat
Audi
Audi look cool and that's about it. Most of them also have a nice interior. Aside from that their 2.8L engine was an utter failure along with their chicken **** triptronic. Also, the Q7 is a tragedy. Looks cool, has no space inside, at least in comparison to its size.
Mercedes, Toyota, Subaru rule.
BMW is mentionworthy.
Obviously, I'm not mentioning brands here that mostly sell 300k Euro cars.
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Dagobert Dog
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Posted - 2009.07.10 11:49:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
i guess since im from the US id say Cadillac STS-V.
Lol? I think the op wants a car that doesn't fall apart after a few months.
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.07.10 11:52:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Dagobert Dog
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
i guess since im from the US id say Cadillac STS-V.
Lol? I think the op wants a car that doesn't fall apart after a few months.
Get a motorbike instead.
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.07.10 12:44:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Chribba
Why not a Volvo?
lol... epa-traktor
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.07.10 13:28:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Sazkyen
Edited by: Sazkyen on 10/07/2009 11:48:38
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Thuul'Khalat
Audi
Audi look cool and that's about it. Most of them also have a nice interior. Aside from that their 2.8L engine was an utter failure along with their chicken **** triptronic. Also, the Q7 is a tragedy. Looks cool, has no space inside, at least in comparison to its size.
Mercedes, Toyota, Subaru rule.
BMW is mentionworthy.
Obviously, I'm not mentioning brands here that mostly sell 300k Euro cars.
A5 3.0 TDI Quattro?
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Iasius
Mercurialis Inc.
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.07.10 13:35:00 -
[39]
Driven an Audi A4 once. Boring drive.
The old Audi Quattro is legend though.
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Sazkyen
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Posted - 2009.07.10 14:06:00 -
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Yeah, the quattro drive is massive, certainly magnitudes better than the ****ty automatic transmission they pack in their cars.
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Alarik Frisch
Minmatar
GARDIAN DIVISION 00
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.07.10 14:27:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
Originally by: Alarik Frisch
BMW Z3. Preferably black in color. No question.
and a Manual Transmission, automatics are for full sized sedans.
Oh, of course. I actually drove a Z4 once that had a automatic and it was one of the more appalling experiences of my life. Why oh why would you do that to a sports car? And to top it off, the car was white. It nearly made me hurl.
Give me my little black Z3 with a stick any day.
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Karo Tsakkatoa
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Posted - 2009.07.10 15:02:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Sazkyen
Yeah, the quattro drive is massive, certainly magnitudes better than the ****ty automatic transmission they pack in their cars.
Only fat americans drive automatics anyways.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.10 21:56:00 -
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lol dont knock the auto though until you have sat on I95 during a holiday rush to the shore while trying to get to work and the slackers dont have EZ-Pass for the bridge.
for AWD id take a Subaru over an Audi though, afaik the Subs are more reliable and more proven. not to mention that turbocharged Boxer is awesome.
side note: if im not mistaken they are working on a Boxer Turbodiesel for the EU market too.
Diesel will never make it here in the US until they can knock the "smoking bus syndrome" from its image.
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Rawrior
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.07.11 04:56:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Rawrior on 11/07/2009 04:57:11
.. all of these are horrible suggestions. 2010 Roush 427r... i saw one yesterday... and i creamed me jeans. or if you're alittle tight on money go for a 1st or 2nd stage.. or this Linkage
*edit* you guys that are bashing automatics.. you do realize automatics are faster than manuals right? although not as fun to drive
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.07.11 10:20:00 -
[45]
go buy a cheap one and send me the difference
although bmw,
no merc!
no bmw!
... this could take a while.
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BlindLemonJefferson
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Posted - 2009.07.11 15:18:00 -
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Merc tbh, BMW have always played catch up to Merc, and the reason is, Mercedes is better.
Owned both, and I'll never take a BMW over a Merc.
Current motor is an E class tourer.
Merc.
MERC.
IF YOU DIDNT GET IT THE FIRST TIME GO FOR A MERC.
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BlindLemonJefferson
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Posted - 2009.07.11 16:05:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Rawrior
Edited by: Rawrior on 11/07/2009 04:57:11
.. all of these are horrible suggestions. 2010 Roush 427r... i saw one yesterday... and i creamed me jeans. or if you're alittle tight on money go for a 1st or 2nd stage.. or this Linkage
*edit* you guys that are bashing automatics.. you do realize automatics are faster than manuals right? although not as fun to drive
Explain why? Remember your talking to euro drivers.
Auto transmission does not mean faster gear change, all it means is your target market is too stupid/lazy/unskilled to handle a manual change.
The best gear change packages are semi auto, and they still leave a lot to be desired.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2009.07.11 16:50:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Thuul'Khalat
Audi
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.07.11 21:48:00 -
[49]
Originally by: BlindLemonJefferson
Explain why? Remember your talking to euro drivers.
Auto transmission does not mean faster gear change, all it means is your target market is too stupid/lazy/unskilled to handle a manual change.
The best gear change packages are semi auto, and they still leave a lot to be desired.
best semi one I could find was the DSG-type ones with their double clutch, and even so it's still a bit worse than the regular manual-6 cuz it's a bit heavy. Still the best is a 7-gear manual tranny \o/
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Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.07.12 03:53:00 -
[50]
Originally by: BlindLemonJefferson
Originally by: Rawrior
Edited by: Rawrior on 11/07/2009 04:57:11
.. all of these are horrible suggestions. 2010 Roush 427r... i saw one yesterday... and i creamed me jeans. or if you're alittle tight on money go for a 1st or 2nd stage.. or this Linkage
*edit* you guys that are bashing automatics.. you do realize automatics are faster than manuals right? although not as fun to drive
Explain why? Remember your talking to euro drivers.
Auto transmission does not mean faster gear change, all it means is your target market is too stupid/lazy/unskilled to handle a manual change.
The best gear change packages are semi auto, and they still leave a lot to be desired.
automatics run faster in 1/4mile.. known fact. might have something to do with clutch to flywheel slippage. i dont drive a automatic, hell i dont even drive a car (cbr954rr ftw). hell run like my old goped and dont use a tranny =p
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.12 04:39:00 -
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BMW, Merc, Audi. any of those are well out of my price range though, they start at 35k USD minimum when new. i still drive my 2000 Impala, runs good and floats on the interstates with the cruise set at 70-75mph it holds around 2500rpm in overdrive.
which of course is my problem, i love cars that can be thrown into the turns but i also love a good freeway cruiser. because sometimes its nice to just relax and cruise.
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Low Blow
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
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Posted - 2009.07.12 05:13:00 -
[52]
get a 328 or 335d, 320d engine is way underpowered for the 3 series weight.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.07.12 05:48:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Rawrior
Originally by: BlindLemonJefferson
Originally by: Rawrior
Edited by: Rawrior on 11/07/2009 04:57:11
.. all of these are horrible suggestions. 2010 Roush 427r... i saw one yesterday... and i creamed me jeans. or if you're alittle tight on money go for a 1st or 2nd stage.. or this Linkage
*edit* you guys that are bashing automatics.. you do realize automatics are faster than manuals right? although not as fun to drive
Explain why? Remember your talking to euro drivers.
Auto transmission does not mean faster gear change, all it means is your target market is too stupid/lazy/unskilled to handle a manual change.
The best gear change packages are semi auto, and they still leave a lot to be desired.
automatics run faster in 1/4mile.. known fact. might have something to do with clutch to flywheel slippage. i dont drive a automatic, hell i dont even drive a car (cbr954rr ftw). hell run like my old goped and dont use a tranny =p
it is because of the slippage, and because good autos shift way faster than any human, but top speed-wise, manual tranny > auto, especially due to how the tranny works, and the added weight.
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Order of Anarchy
The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2009.07.12 08:41:00 -
[54]
neither, you'll look a common **** in the bmw and you'll be branded old in the merc.
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Rawrior
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.07.15 02:20:00 -
[55]
Originally by: BlindLemonJefferson
Originally by: Rawrior
Edited by: Rawrior on 11/07/2009 04:57:11
.. all of these are horrible suggestions. 2010 Roush 427r... i saw one yesterday... and i creamed me jeans. or if you're alittle tight on money go for a 1st or 2nd stage.. or this Linkage
*edit* you guys that are bashing automatics.. you do realize automatics are faster than manuals right? although not as fun to drive
Explain why? Remember your talking to euro drivers.
Auto transmission does not mean faster gear change, all it means is your target market is too stupid/lazy/unskilled to handle a manual change.
The best gear change packages are semi auto, and they still leave a lot to be desired.
i've come back with an answer for this one, after consulting many of my friends, the consensus is, a combination of no times between shifts and manuals are set gear speeds. they run on how much whp your motor makes, as opposed to a auto where the torque converter 'make' more whp. until you hit rev limiter
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Trinity Council
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.07.15 02:31:00 -
[56]
Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 15/07/2009 02:33:22
Originally by: Inquisitor Cerberuso
UK spec.... Brand new...
BMW 320d M sport
or
Merc C220 sport diesel..
which one and why?
thanks :P
OP, if your buying this new car for yourself and dont have a family to worry about, I HIGHLY reccomend getting one of those nifty little new "Smart Cars"
Driving to work today on the freeway, doing about 70-75 w/ the cruise control on listening to music (traffic was light for some odd reason) and driving by two lanes over is one of those smart cars, 'cute' I think . . . . . .until I see that he's getting further in front of me. WTF? I think, I'm doing 75 and this little box w/ a lawnmower engine is passing me? I speed up and this quick little m'fer is doing 85.
I may very well invest in one of these smart cars to do my running around in. My only worry is if I got into an accident, idk, I guess my corp will inherit my Tiny fortune. Those things dont look very crush/permanent injury/mame/death resistant.
Just Sayin
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Posted - 2009.07.15 03:11:00 -
[57]
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 15/07/2009 02:33:22
Originally by: Inquisitor Cerberuso
UK spec.... Brand new...
BMW 320d M sport
or
Merc C220 sport diesel..
which one and why?
thanks :P
OP, if your buying this new car for yourself and dont have a family to worry about, I HIGHLY reccomend getting one of those nifty little new "Smart Cars"
Driving to work today on the freeway, doing about 70-75 w/ the cruise control on listening to music (traffic was light for some odd reason) and driving by two lanes over is one of those smart cars, 'cute' I think . . . . . .until I see that he's getting further in front of me. WTF? I think, I'm doing 75 and this little box w/ a lawnmower engine is passing me? I speed up and this quick little m'fer is doing 85.
I may very well invest in one of these smart cars to do my running around in. My only worry is if I got into an accident, idk, I guess my corp will inherit my Tiny fortune. Those things dont look very crush/permanent injury/mame/death resistant.
Just Sayin
Nah they don't crush so much as bounce around like a ping-pong ball. The result on your internal organs is similar though, so its a moot point.
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.07.15 10:02:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Inquisitor Cerberuso
UK spec.... Brand new...
BMW 320d M sport
or
Merc C220 sport diesel..
which one and why?
thanks :P
give the money to charity and use a bike.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.07.15 11:34:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Rawrior
Originally by: BlindLemonJefferson
Originally by: Rawrior
Edited by: Rawrior on 11/07/2009 04:57:11
.. all of these are horrible suggestions. 2010 Roush 427r... i saw one yesterday... and i creamed me jeans. or if you're alittle tight on money go for a 1st or 2nd stage.. or this Linkage
*edit* you guys that are bashing automatics.. you do realize automatics are faster than manuals right? although not as fun to drive
Explain why? Remember your talking to euro drivers.
Auto transmission does not mean faster gear change, all it means is your target market is too stupid/lazy/unskilled to handle a manual change.
The best gear change packages are semi auto, and they still leave a lot to be desired.
i've come back with an answer for this one, after consulting many of my friends, the consensus is, a combination of no times between shifts and manuals are set gear speeds. they run on how much whp your motor makes, as opposed to a auto where the torque converter 'make' more whp. until you hit rev limiter
the "set gears" thing on manuals won't happen on autos if it's a CVT tho, altho I believe that the bit of no time lag between shifts is the main bit.
manuals can also multiply the whp of an engine. for example, my '97 civic and his manual-5 S40 transmission.
the relation puts the 4th gear closer to x1 (0.909 to be more precise), meaning that it will hit the advertised whp at that gear, however, due to the fact that the S40 is such a looooooooooong gearbox, it means that the 5th (0.702) will actually put a bit more whp on it, however due to how the gearbox itself and the engine's binary, I can only take advantage of it only by pretty much to redline the 4th gear first, and then change to the 5th, cuz if you try to go at lower rpm's, you will actually go slower in 5th than in 4th (can hit the 200kph mark on 4th, but changing to a 5th in the lower 4000rpm's boundary, max speed is 190kph, while pretty much streching the 4th to the redline, and then changing gears, you can hit the 220kph).
still prefer manuals to autos or even DSG's due to how complex, prone to malfunctions and heavy the latter are.
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Mikal Drey
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.15 12:42:00 -
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hey hey
Jaguar XF
Shattered Crystal - 60 day GTC
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Star's Dust Industrie
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Posted - 2009.07.15 12:47:00 -
[61]
Renault lol
Fetchez la vache !
moar(tm) < soon(tm) :(
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.07.15 12:51:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
Renault lol
even better:
Peugeot or a Citroen
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Star's Dust Industrie
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Posted - 2009.07.15 13:15:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 15/07/2009 13:19:15
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
Renault lol
even better:
Peugeot or a Citroen
Citroen and Peugeot are quite good compared to 2000-2008 Renault :/
/me is a proud owner of a Renault Clio 1.9D '95 (it's not my fault, she can't die...)
She was painted white some time ago. Like last century.
-edit- If only I had the money, it would be the new Audi TT. When the Clio will die maybe in the next twenty years, I will choose probably an hybrid anyway.
Fetchez la vache !
moar(tm) < soon(tm) :(
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.07.15 16:04:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 15/07/2009 13:19:15
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
Renault lol
even better:
Peugeot or a Citroen
Citroen and Peugeot are quite good compared to 2000-2008 Renault :/
/me is a proud owner of a Renault Clio 1.9D '95 (it's not my fault, she can't die...)
She was painted white some time ago. Like last century.
-edit- If only I had the money, it would be the new Audi TT. When the Clio will die maybe in the next twenty years, I will choose probably an hybrid anyway.
I blame the new common-rail type engines and their ultra-high pressure injection systems
sure it's much more economical and more environmental and stuff, but I've seen a trend where the engines produced in the decade of 90 actually have less breakdowns and troubles than the latest batch of engines that use a direct injection system instead of a multipoint (at the inlet) one.
sure you can get ultra-lean burn and less emissions, but I think that these engines lost the reliability of old. It's like the introduction of the 16-valve diesel engine was the best thing ever, and all of the sudden, when they slap them commonrails, the engines start to lose reliability
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Iasius
Mercurialis Inc.
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.07.15 16:39:00 -
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Citroens have lost their distinctive quirky styling that the CX and XM had. Just generic euro mould styling nowadays. A completley stupid advert was the Citroen C5 one that wanted to make you think you were driving a German car!?!?! Since when have Citroen fans given a flying f**k about trying to emulate estate agent types who buy BMW's.
But the C4 transformer adverts are cool. As is the old CX advert featuring Grace Jones.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.15 21:19:00 -
[66]
the perfect car would be one that can handle the curves but also set the cruise at 70-80mph and ride down the interstate like a 747 in perfectly calm skies.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.07.15 22:44:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
the perfect car would be one that can handle the curves but also set the cruise at 70-80mph and ride down the interstate like a 747 in perfectly calm skies.
go ride a Nissan GT-R then.
hint: due to how the GT-R engines are produced (totally hand-made by a single specialized worker each engine), the advertised 478bhp may vary (one american mag said that their GT-R was spewing out over 510bhp)
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Rawrior
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.07.16 23:44:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Rawrior
Originally by: BlindLemonJefferson
Originally by: Rawrior
Edited by: Rawrior on 11/07/2009 04:57:11
.. all of these are horrible suggestions. 2010 Roush 427r... i saw one yesterday... and i creamed me jeans. or if you're alittle tight on money go for a 1st or 2nd stage.. or this Linkage
*edit* you guys that are bashing automatics.. you do realize automatics are faster than manuals right? although not as fun to drive
i smell rice..
Explain why? Remember your talking to euro drivers.
Auto transmission does not mean faster gear change, all it means is your target market is too stupid/lazy/unskilled to handle a manual change.
The best gear change packages are semi auto, and they still leave a lot to be desired.
i've come back with an answer for this one, after consulting many of my friends, the consensus is, a combination of no times between shifts and manuals are set gear speeds. they run on how much whp your motor makes, as opposed to a auto where the torque converter 'make' more whp. until you hit rev limiter
the "set gears" thing on manuals won't happen on autos if it's a CVT tho, altho I believe that the bit of no time lag between shifts is the main bit.
manuals can also multiply the whp of an engine. for example, my '97 civic and his manual-5 S40 transmission.
the relation puts the 4th gear closer to x1 (0.909 to be more precise), meaning that it will hit the advertised whp at that gear, however, due to the fact that the S40 is such a looooooooooong gearbox, it means that the 5th (0.702) will actually put a bit more whp on it, however due to how the gearbox itself and the engine's binary, I can only take advantage of it only by pretty much to redline the 4th gear first, and then change to the 5th, cuz if you try to go at lower rpm's, you will actually go slower in 5th than in 4th (can hit the 200kph mark on 4th, but changing to a 5th in the lower 4000rpm's boundary, max speed is 190kph, while pretty much streching the 4th to the redline, and then changing gears, you can hit the 220kph).
still prefer manuals to autos or even DSG's due to how complex, prone to malfunctions and heavy the latter are.
plus, with manual, altho limited, you can better adapt to how the road and trafic conditions are, instead letting the ECU/gearbox decide on that.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.07.17 00:31:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Rawrior
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Rawrior
Originally by: BlindLemonJefferson
Explain why? Remember your talking to euro drivers.
Auto transmission does not mean faster gear change, all it means is your target market is too stupid/lazy/unskilled to handle a manual change.
The best gear change packages are semi auto, and they still leave a lot to be desired.
i've come back with an answer for this one, after consulting many of my friends, the consensus is, a combination of no times between shifts and manuals are set gear speeds. they run on how much whp your motor makes, as opposed to a auto where the torque converter 'make' more whp. until you hit rev limiter
the "set gears" thing on manuals won't happen on autos if it's a CVT tho, altho I believe that the bit of no time lag between shifts is the main bit.
manuals can also multiply the whp of an engine. for example, my '97 civic and his manual-5 S40 transmission.
the relation puts the 4th gear closer to x1 (0.909 to be more precise), meaning that it will hit the advertised whp at that gear, however, due to the fact that the S40 is such a looooooooooong gearbox, it means that the 5th (0.702) will actually put a bit more whp on it, however due to how the gearbox itself and the engine's binary, I can only take advantage of it only by pretty much to redline the 4th gear first, and then change to the 5th, cuz if you try to go at lower rpm's, you will actually go slower in 5th than in 4th (can hit the 200kph mark on 4th, but changing to a 5th in the lower 4000rpm's boundary, max speed is 190kph, while pretty much streching the 4th to the redline, and then changing gears, you can hit the 220kph).
still prefer manuals to autos or even DSG's due to how complex, prone to malfunctions and heavy the latter are.
plus, with manual, altho limited, you can better adapt to how the road and trafic conditions are, instead letting the ECU/gearbox decide on that.
i smell rice..
a bit of that yeah, but I like discreet profile, and I don't like to pimp up engines with turbos and stuff.
hell, the biggest performance change that I'm thinking about doing to my car is slapping a K&N box-type air filter a small adaptation to the air colection system so that it grabs it more directly (putting a grill in the bonnet around the area where the tube starts). rest is just more safety/cosmetic changes (wheels and replace the drum-type rear brakes for disc-type ones).
also the civic I have is a coupT version with the non-vtec engine. Ricers usually go for the hatch and pretty much go for an engine swap
anyways, "petrolhead" is a more appropriate designation
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fathead mcgee
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Posted - 2009.07.17 00:32:00 -
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Audi hands down
and NOT a jaguar, any mechanic will tell you they are a piece of ****
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