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Viggen
Caldari
The Lunatic Asylum
Notorious Organization of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.07.07 16:18:00 -
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I understand CCP says wrecks dont belong to anyone, so can be salvaged by everyone.
So, in high sec....
1. You stumble across a wreck and salvage it = Wreck disappears and you get parts from it... nice :)
2. You stumble across a wreck and shoot it = Wreck disappears and you get concorded... not so nice lol
So why the difference? Your effectively doing the same thing, making a wreck disappear.
Sub notes:-
Im not trolling,
I didnt just get concorded,
I didnt just get ninja salvaged during a mission.
I understand "what" the rules are, I just dont understand "why" they are.
Please can someone make sence of this for me :)
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Viggen
Caldari
The Lunatic Asylum
Notorious Organization of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.07.07 16:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Argent Lansing
Not exactly
Wrecks are not owned
Loot is owned
Salvaging converts wrecks to parts and leaves loot in a container
Shooting wreck destroys wreck AND loot which is owned.
Pretty simple when you think about it.
Now getting concorded for shooting wrecks with no loot in it, thats a gray area and probably should be fine, but dont know how the game rules work for that.
Good point on the wrecks with loot, I shouldve guessed that  but yeah I'm confused as well on the "empty wrecks" rule.. guess I'll have to hop on sisi and find out what happens.
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Viggen
Caldari
The Lunatic Asylum
Notorious Organization of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.07.07 17:00:00 -
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ok, think I might be getting part of it lol.
So... the WRECK is owned, and therefore has consequences when being shot at.
But the SALVAGE contained within is free-for-all.
The Salvager module is just a tool used to extract that free-for-all loot from the wreck.
Am I right so far?
So once you've salvaged the wreck, it pops.. Why should the result of the wreck popping be any different than if it was shot?
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Viggen
Caldari
The Lunatic Asylum
Notorious Organization of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.07.07 17:19:00 -
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I've never understood the reasons behind this, nice to see others cant make sense of it either. If a Dev is reading this could you explain please? 
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Viggen
Caldari
The Lunatic Asylum
Notorious Organization of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.07.07 18:04:00 -
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Some more interesting info coming through here, but it seems that several people would indeed like this to be sorted one way or another.
Originally by: Malcanis
Salvaging isn't flaggable. Just get over it ffs.
Now c'mon, play nice, this is just a discussion on trying to clear this grey area up :)
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Viggen
Caldari
The Lunatic Asylum
Notorious Organization of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.07.07 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Malcanis already cleared it up. There is no grey area.
Nope, he just stated what we already knew, my question is why.
Originally by: Sloppy Podfarts
Interesting...since it's not confusing at all.
Correct, what happens is not confusing... the reasoning behind it however is.
Originally by: Krystal Vernet
Wreck = salvage = free for all
Partly right, the salvage is free-for-all as we've already cleared up.. empty wrecks however are not, otherwise you could shoot them without consequence.
Originally by: Anaesthera
If someone comes in to salvage your wrecks, shoot your wrecks yourself. Griefer tears are more valuable than the crap loot you're going to find anyway
Thanks for the advice, but people salvaging my wrecks arnt the problem. As I've said, this is not the issue I have here.
Originally by: Tippia
Oh, and to answer the actual question: because mission runners wanted it that way and because salvage isn't an additional mission income, but something extra that you need to work for if you want it.
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Not this **** again.
If mission runners wanted it that way, then why like Irida says, does this subject keep coming up from mission runners?
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Viggen
Caldari
The Lunatic Asylum
Notorious Organization of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.07.08 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: MasterEnt
YES - The current rules/mechanics ARE clear.
What the OP is having issues with is the LOGIC of loot/salvage being treated differently when they come from the same source by the same means. The logic for that is NOT clear.
Bingo! thats exactly the problem I have, the logic behind the rules of wrecks.
I will remind others that this topic is NOT about people sneaking in and salvaging peoples mission wrecks.. we've had 100's of posts about that already, and I've explained that this is not what's causing me the confusion. So please stay on topic, and not turn this into another ninja salvage rant.
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