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Trebor DeCaldar Caldari	Posted - 2009.07.07 17:20:00 - [1] Did you see the new dev blog??? They are FUBAR'ing the rigs!!! Rather than having the options of lite rigs on your Battleship instead of the currect heavy rigs... all sizes are going to have the same effect and be split to ship type they fit to. THIS SUCKS!!! It will kill the rig market! Hey CCP... since you are making all size have the same effect, can my Small Rail Gun do the same damage as the Large Rail Gun???
Sloppy Podfarts	Posted - 2009.07.07 17:22:00 - [2] We do not think it means what you think it means.
xUndeadWOOKIEx	Posted - 2009.07.07 17:24:00 - [3] I know its awsome isn't it? now I can get good rigs on my frigates without spending millions and without loosing any benefits
Kulmid The Accursed Space Jerks	Posted - 2009.07.07 17:24:00 - [4] Such a waste of a thread. If smaller rigs did less, they would still be worthless to fit onto a frigate. Rigs are a % based modification, therefore they scale with ship class already. If small trimark rigs did 5% and could only be fit on frigates, nobody would rig frigates with them still because that would be about 50 more armor total. If I'm reading your complaint right that is. _________________
Trebor DeCaldar Caldari	Posted - 2009.07.07 17:25:00 - [5] Dev Blog Multi-Sized Rigs Currently, you have a Trimark Armor Pump I which costs around 15 million ISK on the markets today and can be fitted to any ship with a rig slot and enough calibration points. What we are doing is splitting this rig into three types; small, medium and large with the same effect but scaling material costs. Small ships like frigates, destroyers and their Tech II variants such as Interceptors or Interdictors will be able to fit a small rig. Medium-sized rigs can only be fitted to medium-sized ship hulls such as cruisers, industrials and battlecruisers...you get the picture! ummm.... yeah
5pinDizzy Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.07.07 17:38:00 - [6] Meh, I thought they were going to make it so smaller rigs were slightly less effective than the larger rigs for more variety. As that stands there's now simply no point at all to fitting a large rig to a small ship despite it'll probably still be possible. Was looking forward to this but now I'm a bit disapointed to be honest.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.07.07 17:43:00 - [7] Originally by: Trebor DeCaldar Dev Blog Multi-Sized Rigs Currently, you have a Trimark Armor Pump I which costs around 15 million ISK on the markets today and can be fitted to any ship with a rig slot and enough calibration points. What we are doing is splitting this rig into three types; small, medium and large with the same effect but scaling material costs. Small ships like frigates, destroyers and their Tech II variants such as Interceptors or Interdictors will be able to fit a small rig. Medium-sized rigs can only be fitted to medium-sized ship hulls such as cruisers, industrials and battlecruisers...you get the picture! ummm.... yeah Except you wont be able to use small rigs on battleships vOv _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Sun Clausewitz	Posted - 2009.07.07 17:44:00 - [8] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Meh, I thought they were going to make it so smaller rigs were slightly less effective than the larger rigs for more variety. As that stands there's now simply no point at all to fitting a large rig to a small ship despite it'll probably still be possible. Was looking forward to this but now I'm a bit disapointed to be honest. that makes 3, me you and the OP Pick Three: Caldari/PVP/Solo/Success
5pinDizzy Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.07.07 17:45:00 - [9] Small ship gangs were already very good. Assault ships are now going to be insane, costing a maximum of 3 million isk to trimark rather than more like 60 million isk according to that blog.
Hoo Is	Posted - 2009.07.07 17:45:00 - [10] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Meh, I thought they were going to make it so smaller rigs were slightly less effective than the larger rigs for more variety. Variety in EVE.... NO!!! We want a bunch of cookie cutter setups!!!
Grek Forto Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2009.07.07 17:51:00 - [11] QQ less please! Grek Forto Yarring Blog
Sir Muffoon Debitum Naturae	Posted - 2009.07.07 17:52:00 - [12] At 3million for a set of trimarks for AFs, you might as welll give all of them the 50~% increase on armour and be done with it.
Kessiaan Minmatar MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.07.07 17:52:00 - [13] Edited by: Kessiaan on 07/07/2009 17:52:53 I believe the OP is under the impression that you'll be able to fit small rigs on a battleship, hence, there will never be any reason to ever purchase, build, or fit any rig other than small. Let us all point, giggle, and hurl insults. I think the new rigs will be awesome - half the cost of a good interceptor or AF is from the rigs. And at the prices they're throwing around rigging T2-fit T1 frigs won't add hardly anything to the cost.
Benco97 Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.07 18:04:00 - [14] With these new rigs coming could we PLEASE get some calibration back on the Rookie ships? Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
5pinDizzy Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.07.07 18:17:00 - [15] Yeah we know the OP is confused. Still doesn't change the fact they've decided to spit in the face of everyone who currently holds rigged frigates and make future small ships uber duber when it wasn't really necessary at all. AF's were already popular after their earlier buff, there's now going to be big roaming fotm gangs of them, especially in militia. I always know I'm not going to like what I hear when it's coming from Chronatis though. All they needed to do was make all current rigs count as large as they did. Say a current (large) trimark with 15% bonus, but make mediums a 12.5% bonus and smalls a 10% bonus as an example. Where frigates and such could still fit them and for example use a large a medium and a small rig on the same frigate if they wanted. AKA variety from balancing cost reduction and effectiveness. All they're going to do is say, NO YOU CAN'T FIT THIS!, WRONG SIZE! It amazes me CCP Staff have the cheek to moan at us for using cookie cutter setups at times when that's all they ever give us enough freedom to do.
Trebor DeCaldar Caldari	Posted - 2009.07.07 19:40:00 - [16] Originally by: Kessiaan Edited by: Kessiaan on 07/07/2009 17:52:53 I believe the OP is under the impression that you'll be able to fit small rigs on a battleship, hence, there will never be any reason to ever purchase, build, or fit any rig other than small. Let us all point, giggle, and hurl insults. I think the new rigs will be awesome - half the cost of a good interceptor or AF is from the rigs. And at the prices they're throwing around rigging T2-fit T1 frigs won't add hardly anything to the cost. Op was under the impression when this was first announced that they were going to be 'lite' versions, not just different ship sizes. ie: Current Large gives you 15% bonus, a new medium has 10%, a new small would give you 5%.... this would allow you to not invest the 45 mil in 3 large rigs and give you the option for some 'lite' rigs and drop a total of 15 mil on 3 smalls
Vim Spook Division	Posted - 2009.07.07 19:50:00 - [17] CCP finaly makes rigs into what people back then tought they were gonna be and people complain that ccp fixes it O_o
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.07.07 19:54:00 - [18] Originally by: Vim CCP finaly makes rigs into what people back then tought they were gonna be and people complain that ccp fixes it O_o Welcome to the Eve Online community. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Dala Kya	Posted - 2009.07.07 20:04:00 - [19] /facepalm This is a good thing, if you can't understand why... think more.
Krystal Vernet Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.07.07 20:13:00 - [20] How would different size rigs having more or less effectiveness make any sense, really? Since rigs give a percentage value to anything they modify, they already scale with the ship they're being added on to.
Kulmid The Accursed Space Jerks	Posted - 2009.07.07 20:19:00 - [21] Originally by: Krystal Vernet How would different size rigs having more or less effectiveness make any sense, really? Since rigs give a percentage value to anything they modify, they already scale with the ship they're being added on to. Nice one not reading the thread before posting, looks like you didn't even make it to the 4th post. _________________
Krystal Vernet Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.07.07 20:27:00 - [22] Edited by: Krystal Vernet on 07/07/2009 20:29:26 Meh. Never mind.
Renarla	Posted - 2009.07.07 20:37:00 - [23] Please. However, on another note, I now have one of those annoying sigs.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.07.07 21:06:00 - [24] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Meh, I thought they were going to make it so smaller rigs were slightly less effective than the larger rigs for more variety. As that stands there's now simply no point at all to fitting a large rig to a small ship despite it'll probably still be possible. Was looking forward to this but now I'm a bit disapointed to be honest. just based on the size differences between classes I feel like that would just be a waste. like frig rigs on a bs I cant see as doing anything more then +.1% a med rig on a bs might be worth 3-5%
Mutnin Mutineers	Posted - 2009.07.07 21:47:00 - [25] Edited by: Mutnin on 07/07/2009 21:48:27 Originally by: 5pinDizzy Small ship gangs were already very good. Assault ships are now going to be insane, costing a maximum of 3 million isk to trimark rather than more like 60 million isk according to that blog. So what's wrong with them costing less? We are already getting hit with high prices on many other things some are just absurd. This game gets a bit ridicules at times with the amount of income generation you have to do just to fit a PVP ship that can be blown up its first flight. Everyone wants more fights more action? Well things need to be cheaper so the average joe doesn't have to spend 2 days making ISK to fly a fitted and rigged Assault ship. Remember not everyone in game can make 50 mil and hour. This will be good for the rig and salvage market anyway as there will be more demand as more people actually start rigging sub T2/BC/Bs ships.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.07.07 21:54:00 - [26] …why would you want to trimark your AF? The whole ship class was just made (marginally) useful by rather drastically reducing their weight. So why on earth would you want to weigh them down to their previous level of slowness and lack of agility—even if it's cheap to do so? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Damia Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.07.07 21:56:00 - [27] The biggest complaint I see coming out of this is from owners of CURRENTLY rigged frigates and cruisers, seeing as they essentially paid for a large size rig for their small or medium ship. The solution to this is similar to what they did when snake implants got nerfed... pop them out as a one time only freebie deal. So if you have a Crow rigged with 2x Polycarbons, logging in after the patch, your Crow would be unrigged with 2x Large Polycarbon rigs in its cargo hold. That way small/medium ship owners can't say they were ripped off. __________________________________ :Signed:
Discrodia Gallente Blood Red Dawn	Posted - 2009.07.07 22:05:00 - [28] Indeed, this is any insightful topic. It is so useful I find myself at a loss of what to post. ___________________________________________ Discrodia > Annoying idiots in 0.0 is my business. Business keeps picking up. Discrodia > I also like misquoting stuff :D
Lt Pizi Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.07.07 22:21:00 - [29] Originally by: Trebor DeCaldar Op was under the impression when this was first announced that they were going to be 'lite' versions, not just different ship sizes. ie: Current Large gives you 15% bonus, a new medium has 10%, a new small would give you 5%.... this would allow you to not invest the 45 mil in 3 large rigs and give you the option for some 'lite' rigs and drop a total of 15 mil on 3 smalls or ... you just buy 1 large for 15 m and get the same efect ... D-R is recruiting
Pharago Gallente Piratas Leprosos Guineanos	Posted - 2009.07.07 22:32:00 - [30] Originally by: Damia The biggest complaint I see coming out of this is from owners of CURRENTLY rigged frigates and cruisers, seeing as they essentially paid for a large size rig for their small or medium ship. The solution to this is similar to what they did when snake implants got nerfed... pop them out as a one time only freebie deal. So if you have a Crow rigged with 2x Polycarbons, logging in after the patch, your Crow would be unrigged with 2x Large Polycarbon rigs in its cargo hold. That way small/medium ship owners can't say they were ripped off. I completely agree with you. Not that it matters anyway. But yeah, it's true. :) Let's see what ccp has decided to do about it.

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