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myresearch whorse	Posted - 2009.07.08 18:41:00 - [31] I have recently noticed that bananas and apples are priced similarly and yet the banana has a good 4 inches of height on the apple. Please nerf banana accordingly.
Duke Starbuckington	Posted - 2009.07.08 18:48:00 - [32] Originally by: myresearch whorse I have recently noticed that bananas and apples are priced similarly and yet the banana has a good 4 inches of height on the apple. Please nerf banana accordingly. Noob, learn to use apples properly before posting.
rodensteiner	Posted - 2009.07.08 18:54:00 - [33] Were I a mod, this is where I would lock the thread. BECAUSE OF BANANA
slightly sillydude	Posted - 2009.07.08 19:06:00 - [34] I think they are reasonably balanced. There are a couple things that come to mind though. One, the penalty on shield extenders/rigs is significant for any non capital ship. The penalty on armor plates/rigs is only really significant on cruisers and below. Two, in general low slots are both more plentiful and more discretionary than mid slots. Three, seeing as how cruisers really need at least two LSEs to have enough of a buffer to not get obliterated, I think the sig radius penalty is a bit extreme. Two LSEs on a cruiser is like a 30% increase in sig. Thats straight up 30% more damage from missiles (well, ones with a bigger explosion radius than you at any rate) and a significant increase in damage from turrets due to tracking. You were only looking at the lock time as the penalty for shield extenders when really the bigger one is the general increase in damage taken.
AnKahn Caldari The Giant Squid Corp.	Posted - 2009.07.08 19:26:00 - [35] This is another shield vs armor tank thread so I guess I'd like to point out something from the stand point of someone who uses both shield and armor tanks. PvP and to some extent PvE in EvE is mostly about timing when it comes to tanks. The pilot needs to know WHEN his tank is going to fail so he/she can plan accordingly. Armor tanks fail linearly. Given the same amount of incoming DPS the amount of time it takes for your armor to go from 100% to 75% is the same as from 25% to structure. Very user friendly. Shield tanks, which fail logrithmicaly (spelling?) go from I'm OK, I'm OK to Oh sh*T!! kinda suddenly. I feel this is somewhat less user friendly. Discussions about fitting and HP per cap are moot. Shield transfer fitting requirements are the nail in the coffin. Focus fire (and for that matter nuets) kills shield tankers easier. IMHO.
Stah lIon	Posted - 2009.07.08 19:32:00 - [36]
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.07.08 19:48:00 - [37] DEAL WITH IT CAPSLOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2009.07.08 20:06:00 - [38] Originally by: rodensteiner A good shield tank would preferably have more midslots available, especially on ships that don't carry shield bonuses (bonii?) You were right the first time...it's "bonuses." Every time someone says "boni" or "bonii", God kills a kitten. And if he doesn't, I do. (Great arguments though.) Well, glad I have that whole Shield VS Armor thing solved...
Arec Bardwin	Posted - 2009.07.08 20:27:00 - [39] Originally by: Weight What CAPS CONTROL SET TO AWESOME I was gonna click that, but it was a fake linky. Sad
Neuronai	Posted - 2009.07.08 20:49:00 - [40] Armour plates add weight which slow down ships...Shields get recharge...The two tanking types are supposed to be different. Just because shield extenders give the ship a larger signature, does not mean that armour plates are at a complete advantage to shield extenders.
Fortune Foru	Posted - 2009.07.08 20:52:00 - [41] Originally by: Spurty For people having difficulty getting into warp in plated BS: Jump through gate, appear other side, select destination object (another gate for example), select the 'warp to object' button, then pulse your MWD (that means, turn it on then immediately OFF again). around 11 seconds later, you are in warp, regardless of any alignment issues. No ship with an MWD on (Erm, titans perhaps?) should take more than 11 seconds to align and warp if they start off at zero speed. Except one small problem. Once you hit Warp To, you cannot use your MWD. I miss the original Tri...jez
ShadowGod56	Posted - 2009.07.08 20:54:00 - [42] Originally by: Weight What CAPS CONTROL SET TO AWESOME CONFIRMING MY ***** CAN DO TRICKS
Wannabehero Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:18:00 - [43] Edited by: Wannabehero on 08/07/2009 22:25:26 Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton CAPSLOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL And also Shields ≠ Armor -- Don't harsh my mellow
Arrador	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:34:00 - [44] I agree with the pro's and cons of shield tank vs armor tank. However - i would like to see an X-large Shield Extender with 4000+ additional hit points added to the shield - akin to 1600mm plates.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:53:00 - [45] Is English your first spoken language? Its exaggerated not exadurated. FFS the damn browser AUTO-CORRECTS typos... 'anyone else think this in imbalanced?' FFS... If English is not your first language - I'm going to let the grammar go and move on to why your analysis is flat out misguided. You're upset over the 'ability to escape' factor of buffer mods. You've come to dramatic conclusions while ignoring... - Base HP - Compare the hitpoints a 1600mm plates vs a large shield extender plate. - Ability of BS weapons to damage you - Specifically look at torpedoes reaching their max theoretical damage thanks to the extra sig bloom, although turrets will have an easier time to track you as well. They're not imbalanced. Sig radius is more than just getting locked on to. Plates offer a tremendous buffer advantage over shield extenders (of course shields get to recharge so its OK). Learn the game a little better before you whine about something. Also, if you are a native English speaker, you're a **ing **. Important Internet Spaceship League Wants You
Removal Tool Two Minutes Hate	Posted - 2009.07.09 04:12:00 - [46] Now that the banana has been nerfed down to apple-height, obviously we're going to need to shave the apple towards banana thinness and paint it yellow. Rush actually wrote the original song about nerfing: The Trees Here's the last bit So the maples formed a union And demanded equal rights. "The oaks are just too greedy; We will make them give us light." Now there's no more oak oppression, For they passed a noble law, And the trees are all kept equal By hatchet, axe, and saw.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance	Posted - 2009.07.09 06:00:00 - [47] Originally by: Wannabehero Edited by: Wannabehero on 08/07/2009 22:25:26 Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton CAPSLOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL And also Shields ≠ Armor
SK Rooster Gallente No Trademark	Posted - 2009.07.09 06:09:00 - [48] the answer is no
Anyura	Posted - 2009.07.09 08:32:00 - [49] Originally by: Removal Tool Now that the banana has been nerfed down to apple-height, obviously we're going to need to shave the apple towards banana thinness and paint it yellow. Rush actually wrote the original song about nerfing: The Trees Here's the last bit So the maples formed a union And demanded equal rights. "The oaks are just too greedy; We will make them give us light." Now there's no more oak oppression, For they passed a noble law, And the trees are all kept equal By hatchet, axe, and saw. Very nice quote there.
Ancy Denaries Caldari Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.07.10 06:53:00 - [50] CAPS IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR AWESOME Since everyone else seems to do it. ----- Why doesn't anyone ever read the forums before posting? EVE is a game of adaptation and planning. Adapt or die.
Grarr Dexx Amarr Corp 1 Allstars	Posted - 2009.07.10 07:06:00 - [51] Originally by: Fortune Foru Originally by: Spurty For people having difficulty getting into warp in plated BS: Jump through gate, appear other side, select destination object (another gate for example), select the 'warp to object' button, then pulse your MWD (that means, turn it on then immediately OFF again). around 11 seconds later, you are in warp, regardless of any alignment issues. No ship with an MWD on (Erm, titans perhaps?) should take more than 11 seconds to align and warp if they start off at zero speed. Except one small problem. Once you hit Warp To, you cannot use your MWD. I miss the original Tri...jez Uh, what? Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.07.10 07:35:00 - [52] Originally by: Fortune Foru Originally by: Spurty For people having difficulty getting into warp in plated BS: Jump through gate, appear other side, select destination object (another gate for example), select the 'warp to object' button, then pulse your MWD (that means, turn it on then immediately OFF again). around 11 seconds later, you are in warp, regardless of any alignment issues. No ship with an MWD on (Erm, titans perhaps?) should take more than 11 seconds to align and warp if they start off at zero speed. Except one small problem. Once you hit Warp To, you cannot use your MWD. I miss the original Tri...jez except you can. it just says something like you cant do this, and then it goes ahead and works anyways.
Wai Ng'Tse	Posted - 2009.07.10 08:35:00 - [53] Originally by: Nicholas Barker Originally by: Wai Ng'Tse Originally by: Nicholas Barker it doesn't just affect lock time, it effects how easily you can hit them when they're moving. Yes it does. But it mainly effects tracking were you agreeing with me? or disagreeing badly? I think it was pretty clear. Yes it DOES affect lock time. BUT it affects tracking to a greater extent.
Foulque Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.07.10 10:31:00 - [54] Originally by: Akita T So, yeah, they're not IDENTICAL, but they certainly are reasonably well BALANCED, overall. ________
K'racker Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.07.10 11:23:00 - [55] Originally by: Spurty For people having difficulty getting into warp in plated BS: Jump through gate, appear other side, select destination object (another gate for example), select the 'warp to object' button, then pulse your MWD (that means, turn it on then immediately OFF again). around 11 seconds later, you are in warp, regardless of any alignment issues. No ship with an MWD on (Erm, titans perhaps?) should take more than 11 seconds to align and warp if they start off at zero speed. there is no alignment after you jump through a gate. the aligning is visual only and the game considers you aligned to everything in system. pulsing mwd accelerates you faster and when the mwd pulse is over, if you're at 3/4 or better max speed the ship will drop into warp. your advice is good, just clarifying game mechanics.
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2009.07.10 15:12:00 - [56] Originally by: Arrador I agree with the pro's and cons of shield tank vs armor tank. However - i would like to see an X-large Shield Extender with 4000+ additional hit points added to the shield - akin to 1600mm plates. I actually put a thread about this in the Features and Ideas forum. X-LARGE LINKAGE People posted some good ideas, both for and against. I sort of doubt it caught the attention of anyone important, though.

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