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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2009.07.08 21:03:00 -
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Indiana Jones hated snakes. CCP hates bugs. What happens when you get CCP Gangleri and CCP GingerDude together? They tackle a nasty little cloaking and client lock up bug. You can read all about it in CCP Gangleri's newest dev blog.
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Associate Community Manager
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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SeismicForce
Terra Incognita
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.07.08 21:37:00 -
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Nice read-up, explains it well, thanks 
 Originally by: Allisie
In a recent interview, a dev mentioned that ships and skills cause lag and will be removed in EVE 2.
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Robot Robot
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Posted - 2009.07.08 21:38:00 -
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I really really really hoped this was going to be about fixing the scan probing bugs.
When it wasn't, I was brewed up a pot of righteous indignation. But I've worked in QA and found this such an interesting read that that pot seems to have gone lukewarm in the interim, so:
nice dev blog.
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but what about scan probes?
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.07.08 21:42:00 -
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GingerDude ♥
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.07.08 22:05:00 -
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Really cool of CCP to give us a little insight into the bug squashing process. Now if only I could have made this post without having to log into the forums 16 times before I could make a post stick... lol.
-murder one
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dangerfan
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.08 22:49:00 -
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Great write up. Thanks for the info. As a developer myself, I'm always interested in the details of stuff like this...
One comment though. In my short time playing this game, there have been several deployments for new stuff immediately followed by deployments for bug fixes. As a developer (one who works on an app with ~750,000 LOC), I know it's impossible to find everything. However, it seems that often with a bit more testing on the test server, such as load testing, some of these issues could be avoided. Maybe you can create little tournaments help test in a more realistic environment. This could be taken as far as you want... Perhaps give 100 people ships, tell them to meet in the middle, and it's last man/woman standing. I would love to participate in something like that.
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lceman
Gallente
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2009.07.08 23:11:00 -
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More stories like this about bugs, makes us feel like you actully play the game and care.
ps.
And we still want heads to roll.
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El Huapo
Gallente
Class V
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Posted - 2009.07.08 23:42:00 -
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Comments link from devblog page no workie. Otherwise, sweet to read about bugfixes. Nicely done. Now all we need is another economic rpt.
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Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2009.07.08 23:50:00 -
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Thankyou for reasons behind the most annoying bug everÖ. I quite like blogs like this.
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Squall5668
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.09 01:40:00 -
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Quote:
the most annoying bug everÖ
it wasnt really, but it did annoy the hell out of everyone :P
good write up CCP Gangleri, i think a few ppl will now realise why bug reports must contain "moar infoz"
ps:1st page? omg
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
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Posted - 2009.07.09 02:07:00 -
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Excellent blog, very informative.
Thanks.
/Ben
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Maria Kalista
Amarr
Emerald Forest Securities
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Posted - 2009.07.09 02:13:00 -
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Nice read up! Thank you for being so open and informative.
Now gives us teh heads, roll they must. 
Originally by: Jacharian
This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
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Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.07.09 03:40:00 -
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Hmmm...most annoying bug ever. They seem to generally involve cloaking.
There was the one longtime ago where if someone STARTED locking you, it would finish locking you even if you cloaked. That was pretty annoying. The worst part was when some dev went on record saying that it was intentional, when he basically misunderstood the complaint. PHEW. What a mess that was.
Then there was the more recent one where you couldn't cloak for 2-3 seconds after de-cloaking from a jump. That was pretty bad too.
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Mell Prime
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.09 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
GingerDude ♥
/me hugs gingerdude
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Regat Kozovv
Caldari
Alcothology
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Posted - 2009.07.09 04:43:00 -
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Nice post. It's a good reminder that there are things going on behind the scenes, even if we get frustrated thinking there isn't because we can't see them.
Thanks again.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.07.09 05:38:00 -
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\o/
Nice readup!
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Etien Aldragoran
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.07.09 06:40:00 -
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Seriously...
Docking without anyone else seeing you dock?
FFS, this is why you shouldn't try and fix what isn't broken. Especially when there ARE THINGS THAT ARE ACTUALLY BROKEN.
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Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.07.09 08:01:00 -
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Edited by: Isaac Starstriker on 09/07/2009 08:02:58
Originally by: Etien Aldragoran
Seriously...
Docking without anyone else seeing you dock?
FFS, this is why you shouldn't try and fix what isn't broken. Especially when there ARE THINGS THAT ARE ACTUALLY BROKEN.
QQ more?
edit, awesome dev blog. Lets kill more bugs!
(P.S. to Goon: Bugs do not = Broken things. Don't like this? Develop your own game)
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Isaac's Haul*Mart - Closed
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Lost Hamster
Serenity and Unicum Hungarian Corp
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Posted - 2009.07.09 08:07:00 -
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Nice blog. :) It gives some overview how complex is the game in the background.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2009.07.09 08:15:00 -
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Nice blog, as a programmer I feel for you guys and gals.
Of course, this is a succes story...
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.09 08:44:00 -
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Cool blog... Though i was quite busy that week (Master degree dissertation and stuff) and saw this bug only 4 times (on 25-th May Monday just 1 day before fix we had a roaming should i say my fleet mates was often decloaking during jump in)
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Adam C
Caldari
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.07.09 10:51:00 -
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Interesting issue thanks for sharing. Now on to the next one :)
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Elementatia
Caldari
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.07.09 11:20:00 -
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Thank you for the deep insight. That¦s kind of stuff i wanted to know from and in the CSM Meetings.
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Elementatia
Caldari
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.07.09 11:30:00 -
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And i would like to see the CSM also ask in the Meetings Session for "Exploit Fixes" and CCP¦s way and attention (in means of developer timer/effort) to identify those.
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Eowyn Ratih
Indicium Technologies
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Posted - 2009.07.09 11:34:00 -
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Much appriciated!
Very nice blog!
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Bahn Sidhe
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Posted - 2009.07.09 11:46:00 -
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Thank you for going into the detail. I think you would catch a bit less grief if more people understood what went on behind the scenes. (Of course some people just like to ***** regardless  )
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Admiral IceBlock
Caldari
Northern Intelligence
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Posted - 2009.07.09 12:19:00 -
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So what was the effect of this bug besides sessions being messed up?
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.09 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
So what was the effect of this bug besides sessions being messed up?
CCP got napalmed on the forums.
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Erik Talon
tlhlnag wo
The Elders Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.09 13:40:00 -
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Nice blog! Keep the fixes coming....
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari
Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.07.09 15:27:00 -
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MUCHO interesting read! Thank you very much! I think I'll buy you both beers at Fanfest, so be sure to attend :D
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Moraguth
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.07.09 16:08:00 -
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Thanks for being so open about this whole thing. The visibility, transparency, and information is all greatly appreciated!
good game
Hoc filum tradit - This thread delivers.
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Jogvan
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.07.09 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Jogvan on 09/07/2009 17:04:51
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It didn't impact gameplay much and was really tricky to fix, so it got marked as low-priority and left to accumulate dust for years.
Why fix such insignificant bug instead of fixing stuff like ships not docking when told to, ships appearing multiple times on overview, appearing on overview when they aren't even there or showing red when it's not a wartarget/flagged to you (that one might be fixed now, not 100% sure), scan probe screen broken, and several other small annoying bugs.
Anyways, nice blog and I hope you guys go fix all the other bugs you got crawling in your systems 
Edit: Fix forums too plz 
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Jack Dant
Minmatar
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2009.07.09 17:12:00 -
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De-cloaking player A meant that his ship should be added to the simulation of all other clients within range, but this piece of code would ignore ships in the intermediary state and not add them to other players simulation at this time.
Aha! That explains that invisible ship bug many of us saw. Someone reported it could be reproduced by a recon uncloaking mid-warp.
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Sakura Jones
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Posted - 2009.07.09 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Sakura Jones on 09/07/2009 21:43:00
Originally by: Moraguth
Thanks for being so open about this whole thing. The visibility, transparency, and information is all greatly appreciated!
The reason I still play this game is just this, the occational transparency. Besides, the DevBlog is generally a good read.
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Windryder
Caldari
RO United Fleet
Cow Farm
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Posted - 2009.07.10 07:17:00 -
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As someone with experience with bugs in a monolithic codebase I would like to say how impressed I am with the timeline on the fix. It really does show a) how hard you guys work to resolve major issues and b) how fixing a really minor bug can break things much, much worse. What it doesn't yet show is c) how fixing fossilised bugs can often open-up new feature possibilities - especially now that someone has that part of the code fresh in their mind.
Nice blog :)
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Zenst
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.07.12 01:11:00 -
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So you can fix bugs in a timely manner.
Now go fix the other 9999 out of the 10000 you have :p.
Seriously, showing you can do it and hiding the fail dosn't impress as well as you think.
DRONES - lol, warp/dock - lol, how many years now?
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Oberst McClain
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Posted - 2009.07.12 09:38:00 -
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okay 7 Day for fixing one Bug,
that means let asume there are 200 Bugs in EvE.....
1400 Day's for fixing all Bugs....
oh that are only 4 Years (nearly)
But good work
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