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Lacaius	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:06:00 - [1] Multi-logging: a course of action which an individual is granted access to multiple accounts including new, old, and other individuals accounts repeatedly. I request a ban or lock of one account use per i.p. in gameplay login. consider the following: -Indivual uses another better individuals account to make more money and put it into corp account. Individual logs into personal account with access to corp funds and uses to his benifit or corps benifit. -Indivdual wants to start a new account due to mistakes made on current account. Individual then creates a new one and transfers funds. -Individual wants to engage in war with another corp. or individual. Individual then logs onto (example) 3 accounts at a single location to destroy other individual. -Individual mines in 0 sec with one account and protect himself with another account. Thusfore multilogs. -Individual spams with one account and plays with another. These are a few multi-log uses I have come up with. There are possibly many, many, more that could be concidered. I request use of only one account per gameplay i.p. or log-in limit or something to make this action prohibited. Thank you for reading and/or concidering my proposal. Your fellow gamer Lacaius, USAF A1C Linnartz, Joseph
Jhagiti Tyran Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:08:00 - [2] And ccp should limit its own income because? -
Biolaja Tista Gallente Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:10:00 - [3] Troll post is obvious. _________________
Tippia Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:10:00 - [4] Why? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Cat o'Ninetails Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:15:00 - [5] i think that to make your idea sucessful we need to also limit to one character per account lol
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:18:00 - [6] Originally by: Lacaius -Individual wants to engage in war with another corp. or individual. Individual then logs onto (example) 3 accounts at a single location to destroy other individual. Ohhhh this one is fun! Though I don't nessasarily limit myself to 3 accounts or an individual target. Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:26:00 - [7] Originally by: Lacaius Your fellow gamer Lacaius, USAF A1C Linnartz, Joseph Go back to Iraq. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:28:00 - [8] I demand that just some days old noobs shouldn't post their crap in GD and if they do get banned for dampfplaudern.
Lacaius	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:29:00 - [9] Jhagiti Tyran, They did not earn it nor take the time, patience, persistance, or will to acquire skills to gain that kind of income. There gain is nothing more than another players skill... not close to hard work or dedication. If they want billions to make a new station they need to do it indiviually and the time and skill of many... not just 1 player with multiple accounts or his corps acounts with multiple log ins.
Cat o'Ninetails Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran And ccp should limit its own income because? Originally by: Lacaius Jhagiti Tyran, They did not earn it nor take the time, patience, persistance, or will to acquire skills to gain that kind of income. There gain is nothing more than another players skill... not close to hard work or dedication. If they want billions to make a new station they need to do it indiviually and the time and skill of many... not just 1 player with multiple accounts or his corps acounts with multiple log ins. r u srs lol x
Grarr Dexx Amarr Corp 1 Allstars	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:33:00 - [11] Or you could buy yourself a second account, you lazy bum. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Lord Haur Amarr Cursed Souls	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:33:00 - [12] /me waits for OP to get in a capital and wait around for corpies to do cynos for him. On another note, how to tell the difference between one guy running multiple accounts and multiple people using the same internet connection.
Akira Kurosaw	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:37:00 - [13] short answer: No Long answer: Nooooo and in other news IP bans does more harm them good
Lacaius	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:38:00 - [14] Originally by: Lord Haur /me waits for OP to get in a capital and wait around for corpies to do cynos for him. On another note, how to tell the difference between one guy running multiple accounts and multiple people using the same internet connection. Every computer has a different i.p. address
Lord Haur Amarr Cursed Souls	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:39:00 - [15] Originally by: Lacaius Originally by: Lord Haur /me waits for OP to get in a capital and wait around for corpies to do cynos for him. On another note, how to tell the difference between one guy running multiple accounts and multiple people using the same internet connection. Every computer has a different i.p. address What if i'm running my multiple accounts on different computers shrug
weazlor	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:39:00 - [16] I share a house with another eve player. And there's people in school/college to consider
Leaving Eve Boo Hoo Federation	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:41:00 - [17] Originally by: Lacaius Every computer has a different i.p. address noob
Lacaius	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Grarr Dexx Or you could buy yourself a second account, you lazy bum. Or i could not be lazy and play a game how it is supposed to be played. Buying with an account with the intention to trade myself is rediculous, only used for monetary gain. why cant you work as hard as u did with the other account?..
Maxpie Cross Roads	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:45:00 - [19] Your suggestion will be flamed to the seventh circle of hell, but I must agree. Eve would be a much better game if it was one account per person and one character per account. Hiding behind alts is weaksauce, but almost everyone does it sadly. He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things.
Lacaius	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:48:00 - [20] Originally by: weazlor I share a house with another eve player. And there's people in school/college to consider Even if theres multiple people i konw theres not just one computer. Every person could play on a diff comp., but no one person should be alowed to play diff people on the same comp.. One account at a time while in gameplay doesnt change each individuals ability to play.
Lacaius	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Lacaius Originally by: Grarr Dexx Or you could buy yourself a second account, you lazy bum. Or i could not be lazy and play a game how it is supposed to be played. Buying with an account with the intention to trade myself is rediculous, only used for monetary gain. why cant you work as hard as u did with the other account?.. Im hoping it doesnt get flamed, but sadley there aren't many dedicated gamers these days for a petition such as this. I appreciate your agreeance.
Lacaius	Posted - 2009.07.08 23:01:00 - [22] Originally by: Leaving Eve Originally by: Lacaius Every computer has a different i.p. address noob noob is such a noobish word...what if i am? Its just another factor to include into equal gameplay. Equal gameplay should be everyones topic to consider.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.07.08 23:03:00 - [23] Originally by: Lacaius Originally by: Lacaius Originally by: Grarr Dexx Or you could buy yourself a second account, you lazy bum. Or i could not be lazy and play a game how it is supposed to be played. Buying with an account with the intention to trade myself is rediculous, only used for monetary gain. why cant you work as hard as u did with the other account?.. Im hoping it doesnt get flamed, but sadley there aren't many dedicated gamers these days for a petition such as this. I appreciate your agreeance. Sorry mate but CCP doesn't agree with your idea of how the game is supposed to be played. Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Corporation	Posted - 2009.07.08 23:05:00 - [24] Wait 1 acct!!! Blasphemy!! I like being able to assign fighters to my alt to do ratting in 0.0 while my main sits in a well guarded pos. -------------------------- WTB a sig, or moderation of my sig by all the hot CCP girls.
Leaving Eve Boo Hoo Federation	Posted - 2009.07.08 23:06:00 - [25] Originally by: Lacaius Originally by: Leaving Eve Originally by: Lacaius Every computer has a different i.p. address noob noob is such a noobish word...what if i am? Its just another factor to include into equal gameplay. Equal gameplay should be everyones topic to consider. Consider your comment that "Every computer has a different i.p. address". If my family of 100 are all using their own computers behind my one modem, that's 100 computers which admittedly have their own ip addresses in respect of my subnet but externally they would all share the same ip address, that of my gateway. limiting accounts by ip address could offline entire campuses, home networks, apartment WANs, sweatshops, etc.
Lacaius	Posted - 2009.07.08 23:07:00 - [26] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails i think that to make your idea sucessful we need to also limit to one character per account lol Maybe.... but I may just want money on one and to kill stuff on another. It should be 1 account in use per i.p.. I mean even a game such as runescape can ban multilogging and its a kids mmorpg. You can also make multiple accounts on it. I appreciate your consideration. If a kid game like that can ban it y cant a more advanced one?
pa'ak ma	Posted - 2009.07.08 23:16:00 - [27] firstly: CCP approves, and even encourages multi-account gaming. secondly: IP banning WILL NOT WORK - you clearly do not know how the intertubes function thirdly: your "request" has no merit in conclusion: go play runescape diaf
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2009.07.08 23:21:00 - [28] Originally by: Maxpie Your suggestion will be flamed to the seventh circle of hell, but I must agree. Eve would be a much better game if it was one account per person and one character per account. Hiding behind alts is weaksauce, but almost everyone does it sadly. Go back to Iraq with the OP. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2009.07.08 23:23:00 - [29] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 08/07/2009 23:23:03 Originally by: Lacaius It should be 1 account in use per i.p.. What part of "You don't know what you're talking about n00b" was unclear? *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Lacaius	Posted - 2009.07.08 23:25:00 - [30] Originally by: Leaving Eve Originally by: Lacaius Originally by: Leaving Eve Originally by: Lacaius Every computer has a different i.p. address noob noob is such a noobish word...what if i am? Its just another factor to include into equal gameplay. Equal gameplay should be everyones topic to consider. Consider your comment that "Every computer has a different i.p. address". If my family of 100 are all using their own computers behind my one modem, that's 100 computers which admittedly have their own ip addresses in respect of my subnet but externally they would all share the same ip address, that of my gateway. limiting accounts by ip address could offline entire campuses, home networks, apartment WANs, sweatshops, etc. The internet is one giant network of computers, and it's absolutely true that no two computers on the internet can have the same IP address. It's the IP address that tells one computer from another on a network. Look it up and research information before you sound like you know what your talking about....
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2009.07.08 23:33:00 - [31] Originally by: Lacaius ... The internet is one giant network of computers, and it's absolutely true that no two computers on the internet can have the same IP address. It's the IP address that tells one computer from another on a network. Look it up and research information before you sound like you know what your talking about.... Noob. Network Address Translation Can't follow his own advice.. Hm.. 3/10 for the Troll
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.07.08 23:37:00 - [32] I gave him a 5/10 only due to his persistance. Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
Wash Dirre Minmatar	Posted - 2009.07.08 23:38:00 - [33] But I like being my own fleet.....
pa'ak ma	Posted - 2009.07.08 23:38:00 - [34] grunt in technology ignorance nonshocker
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2009.07.09 00:09:00 - [35] I would love to see people only able to play one account at a time as I think it would vastly improve the game and eliminate much of the meta-gaming that goes on. However, I can virtually guarantee you it will never happen. It would be almost impossible to enforce without messing with people playing from the same location also, for one thing. Many MUDs and probably some MMOs don't allow it, but it's already allowed in Eve, so I seriously doubt it'd ever be banned. The outcry from the meta-gamers would be legendary. I only have one character and one account and I'm proud of it.
Idocrase	Posted - 2009.07.09 00:13:00 - [36] But if we network all the computers the Cylons can hack our firewalls! OP: Never mind. I wrote a brief treatise on how the internet and IP addresses actually function, but I decided that since the OP is too gorram stupid to follow his own advise and research the subject, (Movies about hacking from the 1980's doesn't count as research), I wouldnt give away MY hard earned knowledge for less than 100,000,000ISK There could be two people in my house. We would not both be able to play at the same time if your stupid idea came into effect.
Lukriss Lone Star Academy	Posted - 2009.07.09 00:19:00 - [37] Originally by: Tres Farmer Originally by: Lacaius ... The internet is one giant network of computers, and it's absolutely true that no two computers on the internet can have the same IP address. It's the IP address that tells one computer from another on a network. Look it up and research information before you sound like you know what your talking about.... Noob. Network Address Translation Can't follow his own advice.. Hm.. 3/10 for the Troll This. Also, learn something as simple as math. Every IP consists of 4 8bit binary numbers, which allows it values from 0 to 255 (2^8-1), giving us a total of 256^4 = 4,228,250,625 so 4.2b ip addresses, now subtract from that all the ip's not available to the isps to give out to the "generel public" (generelly because they're owned by companies or governments), do you really think we'd have enough IP's for everyone? 6b people in the world, i realize not everyone needs one, but some needs several, i personally use 6 (PC, Laptop, Cellphone, NAS, Xbox, and Xbox360), now add servers (just google had 450k of those in 2006), schools and companies and tell me again how you expect there to be enough for everyone? Originally by: Redloc I want to gank hulks in high sec! I have a dedicated miner account so I have the funds to throw away.
Lacaius	Posted - 2009.07.09 00:19:00 - [38] Originally by: Tres Farmer Originally by: Lacaius ... The internet is one giant network of computers, and it's absolutely true that no two computers on the internet can have the same IP address. It's the IP address that tells one computer from another on a network. Look it up and research information before you sound like you know what your talking about.... Noob. Network Address Translation Can't follow his own advice.. Hm.. 3/10 for the Troll Lets learn something new... http://ask-leo.com/my_work_and_home_computers_have_the_same_ip_address_how_do_i_fix_that.html
Lacaius	Posted - 2009.07.09 00:21:00 - [39] Originally by: Idocrase But if we network all the computers the Cylons can hack our firewalls! OP: Never mind. I wrote a brief treatise on how the internet and IP addresses actually function, but I decided that since the OP is too gorram stupid to follow his own advise and research the subject, (Movies about hacking from the 1980's doesn't count as research), I wouldnt give away MY hard earned knowledge for less than 100,000,000ISK There could be two people in my house. We would not both be able to play at the same time if your stupid idea came into effect. Read.... http://ask-leo.com/my_work_and_home_computers_have_the_same_ip_address_how_do_i_fix_that.html
Idocrase	Posted - 2009.07.09 00:23:00 - [40] Originally by: Lacaius Originally by: Idocrase But if we network all the computers the Cylons can hack our firewalls! OP: Never mind. I wrote a brief treatise on how the internet and IP addresses actually function, but I decided that since the OP is too gorram stupid to follow his own advise and research the subject, (Movies about hacking from the 1980's doesn't count as research), I wouldnt give away MY hard earned knowledge for less than 100,000,000ISK There could be two people in my house. We would not both be able to play at the same time if your stupid idea came into effect. Read.... http://ask-leo.com/my_work_and_home_computers_have_the_same_ip_address_how_do_i_fix_that.html Your little internet gnome clearly doesnt know how to port forward. He is still less of an idiot than you are because he got MOST of his explaination correct.
Lucas Avidius Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.07.09 00:41:00 - [41] I have multiple accounts. This character is 3 years old, but that's not enough time to train everything he needs to support his habits, so I got more accounts and use alts to do other things. My multiple votes count more than your single vote in the one place it matters: CCPs wallet. Further, read an actual article about NAT. I have a desktop and a laptop behind my gateway, and more than occasionally a friend comes over and browses from my wireless as well. If we all want to play eve, who are you to tell us we all have to have unique IP addresses? You dont like alts? Dont play Alts Online. P.S. Can I have your stuff?
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2009.07.09 00:45:00 - [42] Originally by: Lacaius The internet is one giant network of computers, and it's absolutely true that no two computers on the internet can have the same IP address. It's the IP address that tells one computer from another on a network. Look it up and research information before you sound like you know what your talking about... Take your own advice. You obviously have barely any understanding of network architecture. All of my computers (5), plus my two internet-capable consoles (2) are all networked together and all appear to have the same external address on the internet. If I go to www.whatsmyip.org from any computer on my network, it will tell me the exact same IP address. Only within a local network can each computer be said to have its own address. On the internet, whole networks can share one IP address. So as far as Eve is concerned, all computers on a network may have the same IP address, and that could include hundreds of computers. Read up on network address translation and port forwarding.
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2009.07.09 00:48:00 - [43] Edited by: Kyra Felann on 09/07/2009 00:49:11 Originally by: Lacaius Originally by: Idocrase http://ask-leo.com/my_work_and_home_computers_have_the_same_ip_address_how_do_i_fix_that.html Read the second paragraph of your own link. I'm starting to think you might have difficulty with that, so let me quote it right here: Quote: Except that the rule is incomplete. It's actually very common for two computers to have the same IP address. In fact, I'll bet that thousands of computers around the world have the same IP address as the very computer I'm typing on.
Idocrase	Posted - 2009.07.09 00:49:00 - [44] Originally by: Kyra Felann Originally by: Lacaius The internet is one giant network of computers, and it's absolutely true that no two computers on the internet can have the same IP address. It's the IP address that tells one computer from another on a network. Look it up and research information before you sound like you know what your talking about... Take your own advice. You obviously have barely any understanding of network architecture. All of my computers (5), plus my two internet-capable consoles (2) are all networked together and all appear to have the same external address on the internet. If I go to www.whatsmyip.org from any computer on my network, it will tell me the exact same IP address. Only within a local network can each computer be said to have its own address. On the internet, whole networks can share one IP address. So as far as Eve is concerned, all computers on a network may have the same IP address, and that could include hundreds of computers. Read up on network address translation and port forwarding. Dont TELL him. Let him pay 100mill ISK for me to tell him! C'mon, I need it!
Kewso	Posted - 2009.07.09 00:53:00 - [45] 1 mac address per acct ftw woot \o/
Idocrase	Posted - 2009.07.09 00:55:00 - [46] Originally by: Kewso 1 mac address per acct ftw woot \o/ MAC addresses repeat more often than IP addresses.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Liberi Fatalius Exalted.	Posted - 2009.07.09 01:55:00 - [47] ... - Contagious -
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.07.09 02:10:00 - [48] Originally by: Lacaius Originally by: Lacaius Originally by: Grarr Dexx Or you could buy yourself a second account, you lazy bum. Or i could not be lazy and play a game how it is supposed to be played. Buying with an account with the intention to trade myself is rediculous, only used for monetary gain. why cant you work as hard as u did with the other account?.. Im hoping it doesnt get flamed, but sadley there aren't many dedicated gamers these days for a petition such as this. I appreciate your agreeance. Forgot to switch characters when you posted in agreement of yourself?
Lacaius	Posted - 2009.07.09 02:24:00 - [49] Originally by: Suitonia Originally by: Lacaius Originally by: Lacaius Originally by: Grarr Dexx Or you could buy yourself a second account, you lazy bum. Or i could not be lazy and play a game how it is supposed to be played. Buying with an account with the intention to trade myself is rediculous, only used for monetary gain. why cant you work as hard as u did with the other account?.. i was thaking someone else who agreed that this would be a good proposal...Y would i agree with myself? Im hoping it doesnt get flamed, but sadley there aren't many dedicated gamers these days for a petition such as this. I appreciate your agreeance. Forgot to switch characters when you posted in agreement of yourself?
Lacaius	Posted - 2009.07.09 02:26:00 - [50] Originally by: Maxpie Your suggestion will be flamed to the seventh circle of hell, but I must agree. Eve would be a much better game if it was one account per person and one character per account. Hiding behind alts is weaksauce, but almost everyone does it sadly. Im hoping it doesnt get flamed, but sadley there aren't many dedicated gamers these days for a petition such as this. I appreciate your agreeance.
Bo'Tox Amarr	Posted - 2009.07.09 03:16:00 - [51] Originally by: Tres Farmer I demand that just some days old noobs shouldn't post their crap in GD and if they do get banned for dampfplaudern. I have no idea what that word means and I still agree with you!
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.07.09 04:26:00 - [52] How the Internet, IP Addresses work; (For Dummies) _______ _______ _______ _______ \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|Comp 1 \| \|Comp 2 \| \|Comp 3 \| \|Comp 4 \| _ \|_______\| \|_______\| \|_______\| \|_______\|_____\|_\| - Wireless Receiver/Transmitter. \ \| / \ \| / \ \| / \ \| / Ethernet - \ \| / Connection \ \| / To Router \ \| / (Or Modem) \ \| / \\|/ . - Wireless Antennae. ______\|_ \|________\| - Router (or Modem). Comp 1 IP Address - 192.168.16.70 Comp 2 IP Address - 192.168.16.75 Comp 3 IP address - 192.168.16.80 Comp 4 IP Address - 192.168.16.72 Router Internal Address - 192.168.16.1 Router External Address - 80.50.200.154 Now that the diagram is out of the way, let me explain; The Computers within the network all need an IP address of their own, so that any inter-network file sharing can be done and that the router can tell each computer from the next. This IP address is usually similar to the IP address used to access the routers configuration page (Though occasionally they use a proper HTTP address i.e HTTP://Routerconfig.net) Many computers all over the world, may share an Internal-Network IP Address, as this has Zero importance to anything beyond the router (or modem). As anything to do with the actual internet and not your little network, uses the Routers IP Address which then forwards things to the Internal-IP Address that initially requested the data. Likewise, anything that views your network will ONLY EVER see the router IP address. And because of this, any computer on your network may as-well have this single IP address. If one of them was bad and got banned from a website/game, all of the computers on that network would no longer be able to connect to said website/game. Also said website/game cannot tell if 6 computers are viewing the website/game from that IP address or just one computer. So that brings us to my point; Eve cannot tell whether the 3 clients connecting from the single IP address is one, two, or three people. They cannot tell if the 20+ clients connecting from one IP is a sweatshop or a college/apartment network. And if they banned that IP, all users would be unable to connect despite the fact they did nothing wrong. Oh and all of this is assuming that said router is accessing the internet with a Static IP address, and not a Time-limited Leased/Dynamic IP, in which case as soon as the new IP is assigned they can reconnect and whoever else the ISP assigning the Dynamic IP's gets said banned IP would now be unable to connect. In conclusion: Stop lecturing other people about network administration and inner-workings, 9/10 of the things you have posted here are wrong/miss-guided assumptions after a half-assed google attempt, and this does not bode well in an internet argument about spaceship pixels. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
xBLACKNOVAx Custard Cream Appreciation Society	Posted - 2009.07.09 04:40:00 - [53] Stupid idea is stupid. 1- It would lower CCP's income thus resulting in less resources being available for the maintenance and future development of Eve. I for one like content filled expansions. 2- It would penalise whole groups of people like those who want to play at work, college, university e.t.c. One person logs in and the rest have to wait until he has logged off before they get their turn . 3- People would find a way around the IP ban, for instance I have regular internet, mobile internet and my neighbours are not too clever with their wireless network security. So I could have my two laptop computers and my desktop computer running all at once, running 3 different accounts nicely. Now you may say having 3 different computers is stupid and nobody would go to the trouble but I have had two of them running together a number of times. 4- Many people "if not the majority" have multiple accounts, so all the years they have put into the development of these accounts would be suddenly flushed down the toilet, all because a minority believe that one player should be limited to one account. I smell a troll, however I have heard this being mentioned in the past and basically it is crap, it's part of the game and always has been. If you don't like it then you are free to close your account and go find something else to do. . Navigator Killed my sig
Dragon FireX	Posted - 2009.07.09 04:41:00 - [54] The internet is one giant network of computers, and it's absolutely true that no two computers on the internet can have the same IP address. It's the IP address that tells one computer from another on a network. Look it up and research information before you sound like you know what your talking about.... My ip address is 192.168.1.102. Anybody else have the same?
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.07.09 05:06:00 - [55] Originally by: Dragon FireX Edited by: Dragon FireX on 09/07/2009 04:50:00 My ip address is 192.168.1.102. Anybody else have the same? JESUS CHRIST GET OUT OF MY INTERTUBES. Yes _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:

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Leocadminone	Posted - 2009.07.09 05:53:00 - [57] Originally by: Lacaius Originally by: Leaving Eve Originally by: Lacaius Every computer has a different i.p. address Quote: Consider your comment that "Every computer has a different i.p. address". If my family of 100 are all using their own computers behind my one modem, that's 100 computers which admittedly have their own ip addresses in respect of my subnet but externally they would all share the same ip address, that of my gateway. limiting accounts by ip address could offline entire campuses, home networks, apartment WANs, sweatshops, etc. The internet is one giant network of computers, and it's absolutely true that no two computers on the internet can have the same IP address. It's the IP address that tells one computer from another on a network. Look it up and research information before you sound like you know what your talking about....
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.09 06:02:00 - [58] Originally by: Lacaius Originally by: Grarr Dexx Or you could buy yourself a second account, you lazy bum. Or i could not be lazy and play a game how it is supposed to be played... You know that CCP actively promote multi-accounting, right?
XDSKIRBYKIA	Posted - 2009.07.09 06:54:00 - [59] OP you have no knowledge of how the internet and network addressing accuttly works. Your idea is stupid.... and COMPLETLY UN-ENFORCEABLE!. VPN's, Proxies, ect ect ect. So in closing what you ask, IS: Stupid, Not Possible, Ohh and STUPID. Immpossible to Enforce. Dont forget Stupid :). Lmfao.
Khalia Nestune Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.07.09 07:05:00 - [60] This is the most awesomely bad 'feature' I've seen proposed yet. "Hey, I don't like people with more money than me. Can you limit your profits and ** off most of your userbase in order to make satisfy my feeling of fairness?" Dear OP, If you want a game that gives a flying ** about fairness, Eve is not your game. Good bye.
Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2009.07.09 07:54:00 - [61] --
Breanta Nryrun	Posted - 2009.07.09 09:37:00 - [62] When I first read this post I was going to educate the OP. IT by job I can tell you that he does not understand the concept of networking. Then I thought "does daddy know that you used his credit card to open an account" but I saw that the OP was quoted as saying he was in the USAF. Then to my horror the poster kept coming back with even more idiotic responses to everything that was posted in response to defend his apparent high level of knowledge and I realized that I made a wise choice not joining the USAF because they must not have an entrance test to determine the IQ of their applicants. In short, I look forward to finding you on a gate with your 'one account' and I will laugh as my 3rd alt pops your ship
Nidhiesk	Posted - 2009.07.09 11:36:00 - [63] Im surprised no one talked about PAT (port address translation) but that wouldn't work either. Anyway since most of the Internet users have a dynamic IP anyway they might be banned 1 day, the other might not be. I can tell you that if your ip is dynamic (from the ISP) most isp's for cost reasons, wont change the ip even if you powercycle your equipment which means you can ask your isp to force an ip address change. The only way this would work would be to use the mac address of the computer...and not other devices like router (that would suck). Some ISP's uses mac address to give access to users. the only thing they need is a dsl modem set in bridge. believe me, this is more work for the ISP if its not maintained correctly since most users dont know what mac is lol. You don't want that. The only thing they know is clicking their mouse and power on the computer. Put yourself in CCP's position, if you go forward with that idea, you will lose money for sure..I dont know the exact number but I as a big boss of a corp wont lose money cause of this idea... in conclusion: nope, not a chance.
Flapkonijn	Posted - 2009.07.09 11:44:00 - [64] Hmmm.. Let's see. Should CCP put a large CAP on their own earnings and hurt themself? YES! But it will never happen because it would create more CHOAS then ever see. Flap,
Galvatine Caldari Dark Materials	Posted - 2009.07.09 12:00:00 - [65] Originally by: Lacaius Edited by: Lacaius on 09/07/2009 01:48:32 Edited by: Lacaius on 08/07/2009 22:31:37 Multi-logging: a course of action which an individual is granted access to multiple accounts including new, old, and other individuals accounts repeatedly. I request a ban or lock of one account use per i.p. in gameplay login. consider the following: .... What happens to those people that are seperate individuals that come from the same hidenat, like house mates, or those playing at university, internet cafe's, play using a mobile 3g connection, or any of the miriad of other times when a hidenat is in use? Did you think about that? No? Or how about the individual who wishes to circumvent said protection with clever use of multiple IP addresses? So in effect you make it impossible to play for a massive group of people while not really stopping the people that run multiple accounts thta are determined enough to do it... /stupid idea
Galvatine Caldari Dark Materials	Posted - 2009.07.09 12:12:00 - [66] Originally by: Lacaius The internet is one giant network of computers, and it's absolutely true that no two computers on the internet can have the same IP address. It's the IP address that tells one computer from another on a network. Look it up and research information before you sound like you know what your talking about.... I suggest that it is you who need to start reading. Network Address Translation is in use EVERYWHERE, if it were not, we would have run out of IPv4 address space years ago. I suggest you try this small test from a library, university, or a small/medium sized business. Jump on a terminal, go to www.whatsmyipaddress.com, note that down. Jump on another terminal, do the same thing. /slap head when you figure it out. Yes, it is true that on any subnet the individual nodes require a unique IP address, happily when one device on a subnet talks to another device on another subnet the internmediate router/firewall can NAT the source address behind its own egress address (or another address if required) so that the source subnet does not require unique addressing to operate in the new subnets address space. Reply traffic is directed back to the NAT address whereupon the router/firewall translates the address back to its original and the original node receives the reply packet. Its simple, effective, very common and very easy to understand.
NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2009.07.09 12:44:00 - [67] Edited by: NeoTheo on 09/07/2009 12:46:42 Edited by: NeoTheo on 09/07/2009 12:44:30 Fear the warth of the mighty IT manager. Having said that, talk about arguing over symantics. Originally by: Lacaius The internet is one giant network of computers, and it's absolutely true that no two computers on the internet can have the same IP address. It's the IP address that tells one computer from another on a network. Totally true statement. Originally by: Galvatine Network Address Translation is in use EVERYWHERE, if it were not, we would have run out of IPv4 address space years ago. I suggest you try this small test from a library, university, or a small/medium sized business. Jump on a terminal, go to www.whatsmyipaddress.com, note that down. Jump on another terminal, do the same thing. /slap head when you figure it out. Yes, it is true that on any subnet the individual nodes require a unique IP address, happily when one device on a subnet talks to another device on another subnet the internmediate router/firewall can NAT the source address behind its own egress address (or another address if required) so that the source subnet does not require unique addressing to operate in the new subnets address space. Reply traffic is directed back to the NAT address whereupon the router/firewall translates the address back to its original and the original node receives the reply packet. Its simple, effective, very common and very easy to understand. In thesecases were many to one, (or hide nat) are required, you will find that the host PC's are simply accessing the "internet", and not in fact participating in it at a network level. so really, there is a whole heap of d1ck swinging going on here. 1 account from 1 address is a terrible idea, for a number of reasons. its especially evident to folks who have a clue about tcp/ip and the current limitations and fixes for said limitations. Dark Materials
Takeda Yoshimoto Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.09 13:15:00 - [68] It would seems that our poster has finally swallowed the bitter pill of wrongness...nothing wrong with multiple accounts. Makes the game much more interesting.
Ren Chan Caldari SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs The Council.	Posted - 2009.07.09 13:16:00 - [69] I agree completely with Takeda, he is so amazing and right about everything all the time. I want to have his babies
Dave Bauldrick	Posted - 2009.07.09 13:17:00 - [70] Get lost Ren, heÆs my ***** and I will own your Caldari ass too! But yes Takeda is the man, everyone send him money.
3rr0rc0d3 Amarr Universal Moose Federation	Posted - 2009.07.09 15:45:00 - [71] Originally by: Galvatine Yes, it is true that on any subnet the individual nodes require a unique IP address, happily when one device on a subnet talks to another device on another subnet the intermediate router/firewall can NAT the source address behind its own egress address (or another address if required) so that the source subnet does not require unique addressing to operate in the new subnets address space. Reply traffic is directed back to the NAT address whereupon the router/firewall translates the address back to its original and the original node receives the reply packet. Its simple, effective, very common and very easy to understand. You must work, or must have worked at a helpdesk at some point in your life. The way you explain it reminds me so much of my days as a tele-techy, lol. Nicely done! And to the OP: please do read up on how networking and protocols work, it keeps you from making a fool of yourself on the interwebz Just don't read up on sites like that, take a Cisco course or something. I highly recommend CCNA tbh. ______________________
NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2009.07.09 18:34:00 - [72] Originally by: 3rr0rc0d3 Originally by: Galvatine Yes, it is true that on any subnet the individual nodes require a unique IP address, happily when one device on a subnet talks to another device on another subnet the intermediate router/firewall can NAT the source address behind its own egress address (or another address if required) so that the source subnet does not require unique addressing to operate in the new subnets address space. Reply traffic is directed back to the NAT address whereupon the router/firewall translates the address back to its original and the original node receives the reply packet. Its simple, effective, very common and very easy to understand. You must work, or must have worked at a helpdesk at some point in your life. The way you explain it reminds me so much of my days as a tele-techy, lol. Nicely done! And to the OP: please do read up on how networking and protocols work, it keeps you from making a fool of yourself on the interwebz Just don't read up on sites like that, take a Cisco course or something. I highly recommend CCNA tbh. frankly a copy of tcp illustrated would do. Dark Materials
Paul Clavet Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.07.09 19:12:00 - [73] When multiple accounts are outlawed, only outlaws will have multiple accounts. ---- Suddenly Ninjas Blog: My Loot, Your Tears
Pyrostasis Caldari Rage Quit Inc	Posted - 2009.07.16 19:37:00 - [74] Originally by: Lacaius The internet is one giant network of computers, and it's absolutely true that no two computers on the internet can have the same IP address. It's the IP address that tells one computer from another on a network. Look it up and research information before you sound like you know what your talking about.... Any reply after this post is a complete and utter waste of time. We are dealing with an individual who "knows it all" . Individuals like this cant be taught or helped and should be sterilized and left to their own devices.
Gin G Halls Of Valhalla	Posted - 2009.07.16 21:04:00 - [75] im not sure but is the OP saying if someone owns two accounts and they log in with both at once be in on one or two computers they should get banned if that is what the OP is saying then that has to be the most stupid idea ive heard of yet if someone pays for and uses two accounts at once what on earth is wrong with that Please refrain from editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
Vertinox	Posted - 2009.07.16 21:16:00 - [76] I personally don't think Multi-boxing or owning multiple accounts for alts should be a bannable offense. However... I think CCP should create "tripcodes" (used on anonymous message boards to identify users) that takes a user's IP history and creates a unique id that of course masks the IP in question but shows a unique code based of IP address history that any player can look at in the player BIO and realize that this person is using an alt and be able to identify the relationship of the two accounts. So if you scam someone and buy an alt... A player could look at your trip code and then pull up your other accounts trip code they will realize you are the same player.
Gin G Halls Of Valhalla	Posted - 2009.07.16 21:27:00 - [77] Originally by: Vertinox I personally don't think Multi-boxing or owning multiple accounts for alts should be a bannable offense. However... I think CCP should create "tripcodes" (used on anonymous message boards to identify users) that takes a user's IP history and creates a unique id that of course masks the IP in question but shows a unique code based of IP address history that any player can look at in the player BIO and realize that this person is using an alt and be able to identify the relationship of the two accounts. So if you scam someone and buy an alt... A player could look at your trip code and then pull up your other accounts trip code they will realize you are the same player. scammings part of the game Please refrain from editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
Nub Sauce	Posted - 2009.07.16 22:00:00 - [78] So if my friend comes over and we both want to play at the same time, we can't because I only pay for one ISP connection? Not to mention that most of the players I know in game have and use multiple accounts. I can't think of a better way for CCP to lose money short of just shutting down their servers or deleting everyone's characters.
Indigosia Caldari NewNaw Trading	Posted - 2009.07.17 01:38:00 - [79] i will now wardec you ingame for being lame.

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