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Sayaralon
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Posted - 2009.07.09 12:11:00 -
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I am about half way done with training the recommended ideal skills to fly a Drake. Could I get in it now already if I stay out of harsher trouble anyway?
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
Pax Romana Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.09 12:19:00 -
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Probably. Battlecruisers aren't too bad since they're basically just big cruisers - they'll use the same weapons and tanking modules you would on a cruiser, but put out more damage and have a better tank. The cons of their size are that they are slightly less agile and a bit slower, lock slightly slower, and have a large signature radius so might take a little more damage from incoming heavy fire.
However if you're just using it for missions, the cons are vastly outweighed by the pros, so if you can afford it and you're reasonably happy about what you need to do not to lose it, then go for it.
(Note that Battleships are a much bigger step up, mainly due to Large weapons having trouble hitting anything smaller than another BS, so don assume that the cruiser -> BC logic holds true for BC -> BS too.)
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Kenji Hideyoshi
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Posted - 2009.07.09 12:20:00 -
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I was able to do L3's in my Harbinger the moment I got it, and that was with crappy gunnery and support skills.
That said, I did avoid missions with more than one battleship - but they were rare, mostly it was "My Sweet Privateer" or whatever its name is.
I'm sure you'll be fine in your drake.
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Sayaralon
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Posted - 2009.07.09 12:23:00 -
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well, I already heard that to properly fly a BC it woul take about 2-3 months, so I can guess how long it takes for a BP....
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.07.09 12:24:00 -
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For PVP it's a ****ing terrible idea.
For PVE it's a moderately bad idea, depending on which BC and what kind of PVE.
Just really overtank it and you should be OK.
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Sayaralon
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Posted - 2009.07.09 12:37:00 -
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go on...
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Kenji Hideyoshi
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Posted - 2009.07.09 12:40:00 -
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The Drake is capable of doing L4's if properly fitted and piloted by a skilled character.
I'm sure you'll be fine on L3's with mediocre skills.
Besides, the Drake looks much nicer than the Caracal (which I'm assuming is your current ship).
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Sayaralon
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Posted - 2009.07.09 13:10:00 -
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hehe, no, Moa. so the improvement is much bigger. And I only recently began doing Level II at all, so I should be fine for a while.
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Zhilia Mann
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Posted - 2009.07.09 15:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Sayaralon
hehe, no, Moa. so the improvement is much bigger. And I only recently began doing Level II at all, so I should be fine for a while.
Yeah, just get in a Drake. They're incredibly forgiving on L3s even with relatively low skills. For L2s I still like an AML Caracal (actually, I use a Cerb now for epic lols whenever I have to grind standings but the Cara is great).
The Drake will just keep getting better as you skill up. Only real recommendations are to make sure you can use heavy launchers and to move towards being able to fit purger rigs as soon as possible.
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Traderboz
SlaveMart
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Posted - 2009.07.09 15:08:00 -
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Get into drake ASAP for missions. It makes life so much easier, and your income will increase dramatically, since level 3's pay way more than level 2's. I'd honestly encourage you to push towards a Raven at around 2.5-4 million SP (depending on how your SP is allocated), since you can get into level 4 missions pretty quickly and really start making some cash.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.07.09 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 09/07/2009 19:00:58
Get into a BC as quick as possible. As someone else noted they are just big fat cruisers.
Rushing into a battaleship is dumb. Rushing into a battlcruiser is smart.
EDIT: Im talking about PVE.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Death Artist
The Harbingers of Death
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Posted - 2009.07.09 19:42:00 -
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Go ahead and hop into a drake, they are by far the most forgiving ships in the game when it comes to running missions with few SP.
Also, if you've got someone guiding you in terms of which skills to train, a BS can be used to run lvl 4s pretty easily if you're caldari or gallente. I once made a lvl 4 missioning alt and it was able so solo lvl 4s before even leaving rookie chat ^_^ The idea in missions is to start of fitting lots of tank, then gradually reduce the tank in favor of DPS as you get used to running the missions and your skills improve. Drake --> raven is a perfect example of this. |
Footoo Rama
Gallente
Caldari Illuminati
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Posted - 2009.07.09 20:13:00 -
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For a new player running level 2's and 3's getting into a BC asap is a good idea, they allow for alot of fitting options and are more forgiving due to the larger native tank then a cruiser. Unless you are gallante, then pretty much skip BC's and go Dominix asap, even if you are using medium turrets on level 3's.
This assumes PvE
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LordThyGod
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Posted - 2009.07.09 22:32:00 -
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[Drake, start like this]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Heat Dissipation Field I
Ballistic Deflection Field I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
M51 Iterative Shield Regenerator
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
Warrior I x5
[Drake, end up like this]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II
Heat Dissipation Field I
Ballistic Deflection Field I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Shield Recharger II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I
Warrior II x5
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Draulin
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.10 01:42:00 -
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I agree with what everyone is saying. I have a Drake tanked so nicely I pretty much can't lose it unless I pull a huge group without shooting anything down, and it'll still take several minutes to die. This allows me to slowly gather more expensive faction parts to replace what I started with. Meta 8 launchers fire very fast! Just need to be able to fit purgers, invulnerability field II, SPRs, and Large Shield Extenders. As my tanking skills improve I slowly remove SPRs and replace them with Ballistic Controls, maintaining about the same tanking ability. I've been running L4s in it for months. |
tehSiner
Abnormal Experience
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Posted - 2009.07.10 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: LordThyGod
[Drake, end up like this]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II
Heat Dissipation Field I
Ballistic Deflection Field I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Shield Recharger II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I
Warrior II x5
you forgot to mention that this fits only with a cpu implant
[Drake, temp]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Heat Dissipation Field I
Ballistic Deflection Field I
Shield Recharger II
Shield Recharger II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I
solid 450dps tank against kin/therm and good 300-400dps offensive
if more tank is needed for other dmg types (ie: em/therm) i'd replace one shield rech with an t2 invu, and replace one BCU with a power diag. still gives more than 400dps tank and slighlty less dps (but use em/therm missiles).
abnormal behavior of abnormal brain makes me normal |
Zhilia Mann
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Posted - 2009.07.10 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: tehSiner
you forgot to mention that this fits only with a cpu implant
Is that really so big a deal? A drake will pay for a CPU implant in a day. If that.
Originally by: tehSiner
[Drake, temp]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Heat Dissipation Field I
Ballistic Deflection Field I
Shield Recharger II
Shield Recharger II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I
solid 450dps tank against kin/therm and good 300-400dps offensive
if more tank is needed for other dmg types (ie: em/therm) i'd replace one shield rech with an t2 invu, and replace one BCU with a power diag. still gives more than 400dps tank and slighlty less dps (but use em/therm missiles).
Not sure if that's optimal. It's been long enough that I can't recall the low SP fit I used on Amarr missions, but I know for a fact that once you hit BC4 kinetic missiles always work best.
Might want to start out with less BCUs and then mix in either PDUs or SPRs (I happen to prefer the former for most purposes as they help you fit the three LSEs plus a full rack of T2 launchers). But then, I also like my active Nighthawk for L4s (well, that or the sentry Domi) and a passive Cerb for L3s and lower so what do I know. Getting old....
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Viscount Hood
Imperial Eden Empire
Utopian Order
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Posted - 2009.07.10 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sayaralon
I am about half way done with training the recommended ideal skills to fly a Drake. Could I get in it now already if I stay out of harsher trouble anyway?
Go for it. Fly whatever you want.
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Xantris
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Posted - 2009.07.10 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: Xantris on 10/07/2009 12:36:31
Originally by: Sayaralon
I am about half way done with training the recommended ideal skills to fly a Drake. Could I get in it now already if I stay out of harsher trouble anyway?
You'll be fine in a Drake(PvE). DPS will be slow if your missile skills aren't up to par, but survival shouldn't be an issue.
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ASCII King
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Posted - 2009.07.19 04:50:00 -
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I can confirm that a Drake is flyable on minimum skills... and that a Raven is not!
The thing is that a BC is only a quarter step up - all your fittings are still cruiser class, so you don't have to retrain everything. The Drake in particular has ridiculously good bonuses. I've been flying this same ship from 2m to 9m skillpoints as I develop basic character skills.
Fly a Drake through L4 missions for a while and you'll have the money to do whatever else you like.
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Kashre
Minmatar
Battlegroup Obsidian
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Posted - 2009.07.19 09:46:00 -
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IMO, any BC is flyable on minimal skills. BCs use ALL the same base equipment that cruisers use, but have way more EHP and grid. If you can afford a BC, I say go for it. I have a nubcake character that I've been playing along with a friend who just started, and just threw her into a cyclone even though she barely has the skills to fly a rupture well, and I can say that flying a cyclone is pretty much just like flying a rupture, only its way easier to fit and much harder to get killed in. :P
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"Etiquette is for the Dojo. In war there is only victory or death." - Eiji Yoshikawa |
Chantilly Layce
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Posted - 2009.07.19 11:58:00 -
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For this and any other ship you ever choose to fly in EVE, but especially at the eearly stages of your piloting career, repeat these two words as your personal mantra:
Support Skills
The patience of doing a few extra skill levels is always worth it -- not to mention how much time, aggravation and ISK you will save by NOT having to run around and acquire replacement ships.
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Neuronai
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Posted - 2009.07.19 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: TraininVain
For PVE it's a moderately bad idea, depending on which BC and what kind of PVE.
Care to explain why you think it's a moderately bad idea for PvE? Because I disagree 
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hustle man
Amarr
Corp 1 Allstars
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Posted - 2009.07.19 15:01:00 -
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by all means as others have said just get into a drake NOW. sadly it is stupid easy to do 3s in. in fact it is boringly easy! absolutely no risk factor at all. just passive tank it w/ lg. extender-IIs and purger rigs and just only worry about how slow it is to get from gate to gate.
just created me a caldari alt 2 months ago and that's what i'm doing now. actually this kinda ****es me off because it was never this damn easy when starting out as amarr doing 3s at such low skill points.
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