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Boldor Aran
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Posted - 2009.07.09 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Professor Perplex interceptor and af can do it if the vaga doesnt have a neut. else he ll suck you dry until your tackle fails.
What vagabond doesn't carry a medium neut for precisely this reason?
Killing vagas is hard, I recommend gallente recon + anything with good reliable DPS. Or a curse, but I (like most other ships) avoid Curses like the plague.
Any reason why you avoid the Curse? Is it the price or just performance?
Just looked at the best eve fit tool for the Curse. Drain 1600 cap from 75 km.....That's a bit problem for a lot of ships surely?
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2009.07.09 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Boldor Aran
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Professor Perplex interceptor and af can do it if the vaga doesnt have a neut. else he ll suck you dry until your tackle fails.
What vagabond doesn't carry a medium neut for precisely this reason?
Killing vagas is hard, I recommend gallente recon + anything with good reliable DPS. Or a curse, but I (like most other ships) avoid Curses like the plague.
Any reason why you avoid the Curse? Is it the price or just performance?
Just looked at the best eve fit tool for the Curse. Drain 1600 cap from 75 km.....That's a bit problem for a lot of ships surely?
I believe you misunderstood this. He's saying that he avoids the Curse when he's flying a Vagabond, since the Curse will tear him apart.
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prefectro
Minmatar Amok. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.07.10 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Boldor Aran I always die from these things. What's more annoying I can't think of a ship to deal with one. Vs all the other HACs this one seems to easily deal with them. Deimos is far too slow and needs to get close, it won't even land a hit. Zealot the same I'm guessing.
I thought about using a curse to kill it's cap but I'm sure their fit will have a cap booster....So what one earth combats this thing? It seems a bit overpowered in comparison to similar ship classes.
I'm even struggling to think of a t3 setup that would come out on top. Any ideas?
With both pilots being the same the Curse will easily kill the Vaga pilot. Curse just needs neuts and tracking disruptors and the Vaga can't do anything except die. And you do not need to believe me, just test it out.
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Duke Starbuckington
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Posted - 2009.07.10 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: prefectro
Originally by: Boldor Aran I always die from these things. What's more annoying I can't think of a ship to deal with one. Vs all the other HACs this one seems to easily deal with them. Deimos is far too slow and needs to get close, it won't even land a hit. Zealot the same I'm guessing.
I thought about using a curse to kill it's cap but I'm sure their fit will have a cap booster....So what one earth combats this thing? It seems a bit overpowered in comparison to similar ship classes.
I'm even struggling to think of a t3 setup that would come out on top. Any ideas?
With both pilots being the same the Curse will easily kill the Vaga pilot. Curse just needs neuts and tracking disruptors and the Vaga can't do anything except die. And you do not need to believe me, just test it out.
If the vaga pilot is sane though, it won't get caught.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.07.10 02:49:00 -
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Edited by: Terianna Eri on 10/07/2009 02:49:26
Originally by: Pater Peccavi
Originally by: Boldor Aran Any reason why you avoid the Curse? Is it the price or just performance?
Just looked at the best eve fit tool for the Curse. Drain 1600 cap from 75 km.....That's a bit problem for a lot of ships surely?
I believe you misunderstood this. He's saying that he avoids the Curse when he's flying a Vagabond, since the Curse will tear him apart.
^ this Also, the best fit for the curse doesn't fit a heavy neut
It is possible to kill a curse in a vaga though, but only if they're the kind that rely on high speed and a shield buffer tank and don't fit TDs... Or if they have a TD, and are lightly tanked, sometimes you can convince them to land on you at 0km when you have RF EMP loaded, which should tear out enough of their HP at the start of the fight so that the vaga can finish off the curse over time, but I haven't tested that theory on TQ yet (only Sisi).
Curse doesn't have an awful lot of dps , takes a decent amount of time to chew through a vaga's shield. Vaga v. Curse is pretty fit and tactic dependent but the Curse has a big advantage. __________________________________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.07.10 03:25:00 -
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A smart vaga pilot will only engage ships they know can't counter them.
They'll avoid:
- Curse - duh - Web bonus ships (rapier/huggin) - Domi - because of the neut reputation
Missiles will drive him off. A cruise raven with 2x heavy neuts is a fun surprise (they usually assume you're packing pve gear in the utility slots).
Minmatar ships are a good counter because they can be fit to go fast enough to threaten the vaga.
Its a ship designed to escape when needed - it sacrifices tank and dps to do so, so if you drive it off consider it a win.
If you're in a gang its pretty easy to kill them. Just get a fast ship with scrams - dive at him when he's worried abotu someone else. Kill his mwd - kill the ship.
MWD Assault frigs with scrams are pretty good at that tactic. Just make sure your gang is ready to switch to the vaga when its scrammed.
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Vartun
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Posted - 2009.07.10 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Shirley Serious How about a t1/named fit Arbitrator with 2 tracking disruptors, and light drones?
means the vagabonds guns won't do anything, and you kill his light drones with yours.
Occasionally, they will become enraged at their inability to kill a cheapskate t1 cruiser in their multimillion isk ship, causing them to be blind to a couple of your friends arriving, with webs and stuff.
For added hilarity, your friends can also fly t1 cruisers/frigates.
Vaga will ram the arbitrator and pop it quick.
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Morel Nova
z3r0 Gravity YARRR and CO
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Posted - 2009.07.10 08:24:00 -
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Edited by: Morel Nova on 10/07/2009 08:24:38 frigate blobs always seem to do me in when I fly vagas :(
you can kill rapiers/huginns due to better dps, but unless they are dumb they can always disengage and get out of your point range.
curses you stay away from. I'v killed lots of vagabonds in mine, and the only curse I managed to kill in my vaga was on test-server where people arent as cautious (burn close with EMP, overheat guns and hope hes lightly shield buffer tanked. if youre lucky he will pop before he can get out to range)
you can also kill dumb vagabonds in taranises/mwd assault frigs pretty easily. most vagas still dont fit neuts, and should be punished for this.
damp ships also work pretty well. 3 damps will get a vagas lock range below 10km which is a pita and then small tackelrs are safe to get under its guns. Put in space whales!
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.07.10 08:42:00 -
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I would think a dual web + scram drake would do well, well that is if it gets up close. dual neut raven would also at least make it run away.
and lol, vaga is hardly op. that falloff thing really bites it in the ass.
and an arbitrator should die against a vaga.
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Shinnen
Caldari Northern Intelligence
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Posted - 2009.07.10 08:49:00 -
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drakes, cerbs, curse, pilgrims
I mainly avoid those when I'm in vaga, something about the drake and cerb's heavy missiles that gets me, and my low kin. restist.
Curse and pilg for obvious cap reasons.
Huginn and Rapier aren't too bad because generally their tank is too weak as is their DPS. Though they have the ability to disengage first, so they usually don't die. In a gang though, with the above you're screwed.
http://noint.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=34
Is my first and only (iirc) vaga loss. As you can see the drake and huginn are the main killers. (then again it's also an OOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLD setup, which goes to show how long that vaga has been around)
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Morel Nova
z3r0 Gravity YARRR and CO
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Posted - 2009.07.10 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Shinnen drakes, cerbs, curse, pilgrims
I mainly avoid those when I'm in vaga, something about the drake and cerb's heavy missiles that gets me, and my low kin. restist.
Curse and pilg for obvious cap reasons.
http://noint.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=34
Is my first and only (iirc) vaga loss. As you can see the drake and huginn are the main killers. (then again it's also an OOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLD setup, which goes to show how long that vaga has been around)
not to be mean, but that vaga fit is absolutely horrendous (might have been a bit ok before nano nerf) you are stacking penalized so bad from fitting 6 speed mods on there :S also your dps is terrible. not that another fit would have done better in that situation =)
drakes I generally watch out for and only engage if its a new character because otherwise he is either super-tanked (can kill with rat help though so attack then) or a buffer HAM setup with scram+web which will kill you hard (staying at range will make you win though if hes not packing javelins).
cerbs dont scare me so much anymore solo because he will either have full tackle in which case you can probably kill him because his tank will be bad, or dont have tackle and you can at least try to kill him, and get out if its not going well. also for some reason the cerbs I have run into lately have been packing t2 missiles which does really bad damage against anything moving =) Put in space whales!
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.10 09:12:00 -
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A vaga has to get close to an arbie to kill him. I wouldnt do it, i would just leave him alone.
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Hiroshima Jita
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Posted - 2009.07.10 09:51:00 -
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USE THE BLOB. GATECAMP WITH A SECOND BUBBLE SOME INTIES AND DPS READY TO JUMP. If they're competent pilots = dead vaga.
Scramblers also are your friend.
Heavy Nuets are your friend.
Vaga orbiting at 18km (#1) dont do that much dps for a cruiser (#2) can do absolutely nothing to stop you from leisurely burning back to the gate and jumping.
Nos on frigates works wonders.
I killed a vaga once with a cane by fitting a scram, and repeatedly jumping into it and burning back to the gate until I got a lucky scram on it.
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magestic miner
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Posted - 2009.07.10 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Morel Nova
Originally by: Shinnen drakes, cerbs, curse, pilgrims
I mainly avoid those when I'm in vaga, something about the drake and cerb's heavy missiles that gets me, and my low kin. restist.
Curse and pilg for obvious cap reasons.
http://noint.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=34
Is my first and only (iirc) vaga loss. As you can see the drake and huginn are the main killers. (then again it's also an OOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLD setup, which goes to show how long that vaga has been around)
not to be mean, but that vaga fit is absolutely horrendous (might have been a bit ok before nano nerf) you are stacking penalized so bad from fitting 6 speed mods on there :S also your dps is terrible. not that another fit would have done better in that situation =)
drakes I generally watch out for and only engage if its a new character because otherwise he is either super-tanked (can kill with rat help though so attack then) or a buffer HAM setup with scram+web which will kill you hard (staying at range will make you win though if hes not packing javelins).
cerbs dont scare me so much anymore solo because he will either have full tackle in which case you can probably kill him because his tank will be bad, or dont have tackle and you can at least try to kill him, and get out if its not going well. also for some reason the cerbs I have run into lately have been packing t2 missiles which does really bad damage against anything moving =)
when did they implement nanno to have a stacking penaltly over overdrives? same with the thruster rigs since when did they stack with an istab or a nanno or an overdrive? |
Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2009.07.10 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri Edited by: Terianna Eri on 10/07/2009 02:49:26
Originally by: Pater Peccavi
Originally by: Boldor Aran Any reason why you avoid the Curse? Is it the price or just performance?
Just looked at the best eve fit tool for the Curse. Drain 1600 cap from 75 km.....That's a bit problem for a lot of ships surely?
I believe you misunderstood this. He's saying that he avoids the Curse when he's flying a Vagabond, since the Curse will tear him apart.
^ this Also, the best fit for the curse doesn't fit a heavy neut
It is possible to kill a curse in a vaga though, but only if they're the kind that rely on high speed and a shield buffer tank and don't fit TDs... Or if they have a TD, and are lightly tanked, sometimes you can convince them to land on you at 0km when you have RF EMP loaded, which should tear out enough of their HP at the start of the fight so that the vaga can finish off the curse over time, but I haven't tested that theory on TQ yet (only Sisi).
I fail to see how any Curse could not break tackle against a single injector less opponent. In the fight you linked it was sheer luck I passed by and could tackle him so you could close and apply your damage, and then I almost popped... Had he diverted neut and dps to me earlier he could at least get out or maybe kill both of us...
Funny I actually wrote on that fight. -- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog |
Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.07.10 12:54:00 -
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Watch some PVP vids from Garmon (the Garmonation series) he has many Vaga kills using his Rupture.
Overloaded MWD/Web/Scram trick works well. Also catch a recent vid by Prozacxx called PewTard he bags a vaga kill in his Ruppi as well i think.
Burn away from Vaga in straight line with overloaded MWD - when he follows hit approach and overload MWD/Web/Scram and hope you get in range to web and scram.
It's really not that hard i use the method myself to catch inties with my Rifter. -- "If itĘs true that our species is alone in the universe, then IĘd have to say that the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little" George Carlin |
Morel Nova
z3r0 Gravity YARRR and CO
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Posted - 2009.07.10 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: magestic miner
when did they implement nanno to have a stacking penaltly over overdrives? same with the thruster rigs since when did they stack with an istab or a nanno or an overdrive?
when they did the great nano-nerf "recently" :( Put in space whales!
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.07.10 14:04:00 -
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Looks like somebody never read the qr patch notes.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke!
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Caffeine Junkie
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.07.10 14:14:00 -
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Blasteranis and balls of steel
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.07.10 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Lubomir Penev
I fail to see how any Curse could not break tackle against a single injector less opponent. In the fight you linked it was sheer luck I passed by and could tackle him so you could close and apply your damage, and then I almost popped... Had he diverted neut and dps to me earlier he could at least get out or maybe kill both of us...
Funny I actually wrote on that fight.
I wasn't pointing him the entire time; I think he stuck around because he thought he could get the kill. In any case, even without your help the curse would have been driven off and possibly even popped if he didn't align in time. I had DPS on him for the whole fight actually thanks to hueg falloffz, but I see your point. __________________________________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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AnKahn
Caldari The Giant Squid Corp.
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Posted - 2009.07.10 15:18:00 -
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Had a training gang out in T1 frigs with a Crow and some other T2 frig escort and jumped into low sec and for some reason 2 Vagas engaged us on the gate. They wasted time engaging non agressed gang members and we were able to lock them down long enough for the gate guns to pop them. Minimal losses on our side.
I guess most pilots in EvE really just kill themselves. Vagas should almost never die.
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.10 17:47:00 -
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Troll 1 - friendly forum people 0 - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Wideen
Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.07.10 19:28:00 -
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mwd, intercept orbit, scram & web ...
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Duke Starbuckington
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Posted - 2009.07.10 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Wideen mwd, intercept orbit, scram & web ...
You just got neuted.
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.10 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Duke Starbuckington
Originally by: Wideen mwd, intercept orbit, scram & web ...
You just got neuted.
You'd be surprised at how many Vaga pilots that fit a cloak. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Duke Starbuckington
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Posted - 2009.07.10 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Duke Starbuckington
Originally by: Wideen mwd, intercept orbit, scram & web ...
You just got neuted.
You'd be surprised at how many Vaga pilots that fit a cloak.
Fair enough, however I find warriors II's are more than enough, plus dual 180's track insanely well.
I don't like to rely on that though (So I fit a neut).
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devilator
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Posted - 2009.07.12 00:42:00 -
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Dude train up for the curse, omg yu will wtfpwn most all ships with those dam nuets. Being a vagabond pilot i watch for 2 ships the most. 1. curse will cap my cap before i have time to say oh shi### and then hit me with the tds GRRRRR i hate those dang ships. 2. Curses did i say this one already...man I hate those ships
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Wannabehero
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2009.07.12 01:14:00 -
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Badger Mk. II's ---
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abrasive soap
Caldari Corporation 12345
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Posted - 2009.07.12 02:12:00 -
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cerb rook or drake
heavy missiles are overpowered since nano nerf (look at dat missile alpha)
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Shade Millith
International House of PWNCakes
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Posted - 2009.07.12 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton I would think a dual web + scram drake would do well, well that is if it gets up close. dual neut raven would also at least make it run away.
and lol, vaga is hardly op. that falloff thing really bites it in the ass.
and an arbitrator should die against a vaga.
Drake doesn't even need duel web. Single web and scram will slow him down to somewhere around 200m/s. And if it's kiting you, swap for jav's and you'll at least drive him off. --------------------------------------------
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