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yani dumyat
Minmatar
Infusion.
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.07.10 19:41:00 -
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I'm considering training for a dread but am not sure which one to go for, could some kindly person please list the good and bad points of each dread 
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.10 19:44:00 -
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..they're all fairly decent, just go with whatever your skills is leaning towards.
Or grab the Moros, the only dread that's useful out of siege. 
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ArmyOfMe
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.07.10 19:44:00 -
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purly for pos sieges?
revelation since u dont need to reload so lag doesnt mean as much.
phoenix since you can change your damage types.
moros if you want to have fun in low sec as well.
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VaderDSL
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.10 19:45:00 -
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Not had any first hand experience with dreads, but my skill queue is taking me towards the Revelation.
One of the main things that draws me to it is the fact it doesn't need reloading (bar changing crystals) and in heavy lag situations I have heard and experienced on smaller ships the annoying, 10 minute reloading guns syndrome.
Not sure on weaknesses, I guess cap usage of tanking modules and the guns is one to consider and DPS wise not sure how it compares to others.
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.07.10 19:51:00 -
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Don't base it off of what dread you want, base it off of what subcaps you fly. Not to say they're all the same, but a dread is a dread, a carrier is a carrier, etc no matter which race.
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yani dumyat
Minmatar
Infusion.
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.07.10 20:02:00 -
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Thx for the quick replies, ideally it'd get used for more than just POS sieges, i need a ship that can pop battleships and be used as a bit of a general gankmobile, i'd rather use it and loose it than only take it out 5 times a year.
Or have i got the wrong idea, maybe carriers better at squishing sub caps in low sec?
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Impolite Andevil
The Shadow Knights
The Golden Rule Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.10 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: yani dumyat
Thx for the quick replies, ideally it'd get used for more than just POS sieges, i need a ship that can pop battleships and be used as a bit of a general gankmobile, i'd rather use it and loose it than only take it out 5 times a year.
Or have i got the wrong idea, maybe carriers better at squishing sub caps in low sec?
The only dread remotely capable of doing what you want is the Moros, and that's assuming you use drones. Dread guns can't hit things that move even a little bit when they are in siege, and do cruiser-level DPS out of siege (and still can't track), so guns will do you little good. Sentry drones on a Moros will put you up around 1k DPS out of seige, so they are handy.
However, dreads and carriers working by themselves to attack sub-cap fleets are simply going to die a little slower than a BS would. While they have very impressive tanks, even a dread in siege mode can be taken down by a small group of gank battleships, all while risking FAR less isk than you will have on the line. Carriers working together with remote reps will have a better chance, but really all that does is invite a hot-drop.
If you want to kill sub-caps, use other sub-caps. Right now the remote-rep BS gang is the best method available IMO.
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Footoo Rama
Gallente
Caldari Illuminati
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Posted - 2009.07.10 20:29:00 -
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IDK the Gallante carriers and Dreads have an advantage due to drones. The only dread that has a chance to protect itself against small ship sis the Moros...
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.07.10 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe
phoenix since you can change your damage types.
Except you don't want to.
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SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar
Black Serpent Technologies
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Posted - 2009.07.11 01:35:00 -
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When discussing what dread/carrier to train for it usually comes down mostly to what your skills are already leaning towards.
Dreads and carriers fullfill certain roles, and all racial ships are capable of fullfilling those roles (to a certain extend).
If you'd have to choose a dread regardless of skills however there are usually only 2 options:
1- Revelation: POS warfare/capital warfare.
2- Moros: usability.
Revelation is far out the best dread if you intend to get into a lot of capital/POS warfare for a lot of reasons such as the no-ammo consumption, not having to reload and the fact it can tank really well AND dps really well.
Moros is another favourite because it too can tank quite well and when doing POS/capital warfare its guns+sentries pack a lot of punch too.
Moreover for non-capital/POS warfare such as lowsec warfare (aka station warfare or 'undocking games') it excells in the fact that it is the only dread that can effectively stand it's own against sub-capitals with its sentry drones.
If you are one of those people that like ****ing other people off and use your dread as much as possible I'd suggest getting a moros.
If you want ease and effectivity in POS/capital warfare go for the revelation.
If you just want to be able to use a dread when the situation calls for it (CTAs to attack/defend POS's etc) just train whichever dread you are fastest to train for. (which means, that you already have the racial BS lvl5 for, large guns/missiles/drones and tanking shield/armor).
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Duke Starbuckington
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Posted - 2009.07.11 01:45:00 -
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Naglfar, you want to look don't you?
No?
Screw you then buddy.
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Xapharia
WOLIMAZO INC
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Posted - 2009.07.11 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner
Revelation is far out the best dread if you intend to get into a lot of capital/POS warfare for a lot of reasons such as the no-ammo consumption...
XL crystals burn out. Sure, you don't need thousands of them but they don't last forever.
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SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar
Black Serpent Technologies
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Posted - 2009.07.11 11:00:00 -
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True but basically you would never need more than 2 sets of crystals in your cargobay meaning a total of 6 crystals (1 spare set of short range POS bash and 1 long range faction crystal pvp (anti-cap) set)
And I'm sure 6 crystals take up much less space than the ammount of ammo other dreads would have to carry to be able to shoot for as long as the revelation can.
Not to mention the big ++ with this being that you have more room for fuel and stront.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.07.11 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner
Not to mention the big ++ with this being that you have more room for fuel and stront.
Uhm.
Rev has smallest cargospace of all dreads and suffers accordingly. The 'advantage' of not having to carry ammo is totally negated by this.
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TimMc
Gallente
Brutal Deliverance
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Posted - 2009.07.11 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Footoo Rama
IDK the Gallante carriers and Dreads have an advantage due to drones. The only dread that has a chance to protect itself against small ship sis the Moros...
Because obviously all those other races capitals have the same bandwidth but cannot use drones.
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Zatharyn
Minmatar
IG Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.11 13:31:00 -
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Also the Rev suffers from a Cap Issue which isnt to major but you wont be shotting your guns towards the end of a cycle. Sounds like what you want is the Moros
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Cambarus
Clearly Compensating
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Posted - 2009.07.11 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Footoo Rama
IDK the Gallante carriers and Dreads have an advantage due to drones. The only dread that has a chance to protect itself against small ship sis the Moros...
Because obviously all those other races capitals have the same bandwidth but cannot use drones.
Because 5 unbonussed heavy drones are definitely enough to scare off would-be attackers 
The moros is good at killing subcaps because it gets a 50% damage increase per level of gal dread to drones. Freaking awesome. It's the only dread that will outdamage a BS out of siege (t2 ogres/gardes deal around 1k DPS on their own with a moros) |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.07.11 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Cambarus
The moros is good at killing subcaps because it gets a 50% damage increase per level of gal dread to drones. Freaking awesome. It's the only dread that will outdamage a BS out of siege (t2 ogres/gardes deal around 1k DPS on their own with a moros)
The number of situations where this is actually useful is fairly limited though, as you will most often find yourself in a fleet anyway.
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EFT Warrior
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Posted - 2009.07.12 00:37:00 -
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POS bashing with sentries while aligned = gank battleship DPS on a pos without the hassle/risk of getting dropped on in siege.
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Draeca
Tharri and Co.
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Posted - 2009.07.12 01:03:00 -
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Revelation for pos bashing so you can go AFK, moros for station hugging.
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yani dumyat
Minmatar
Infusion.
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.07.12 11:16:00 -
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Thanks for the replies, looks like gallente would be a good option especially as i already have drone and hybrid skills.
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MCHammerdad
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Posted - 2009.07.16 16:19:00 -
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[Moros, New Setup 1]
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Damage Control II
Corelum B-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Capital Armor Repairer I
True Sansha Warp Scrambler
Gallente Navy Stasis Webifier
Gallente Navy Stasis Webifier
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Ion Siege Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge XL
Ion Siege Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge XL
Ion Siege Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge XL
Siege Module I
Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Ogre II x5
For all your battleship squishing needs.
Tracks battleships under 2km and can run the tank for about 8 minutes. Just to get you outa siege to redock.
Have fun.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.07.16 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: MCHammerdad
For all your battleship squishing needs.
Tracks battleships under 2km and can run the tank for about 8 minutes. Just to get you outa siege to redock.
Have fun.
You best be joking. That thing has a bullseye the size of a moon painted on it.
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Djerin
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.16 18:47:00 -
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Trying to gank random battleships in any dread will get you killed sooner than later.
Sometimes in fleet warfare dreads are used as bigger battleships. In those cases obviously a Moros is cool. But tbh, a Rev is ok for that too and even a Nag is half way decent at it. But don't expect that to happen often.
Right now a Rev is prolly the best dread in general. It has more tanked hitpoints than Moros. Lasers are better than rails except for theoretical max range. So if you're starting from scratch I'd suggest Rev. Only if the difference in skill time is really big it would probably be better to take the short way to Moros.
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MCHammerdad
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Posted - 2009.07.18 21:41:00 -
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I never said it was safe or really practical. I just liked to point out that it will squish nearly any battleship while in siege. Some pilots might put fun over isk. Even if it isn't really economical... (Sorry Mono)
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.18 21:43:00 -
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As a friend of mine once told me.. "You cannot put a price on never having to reload in a laggy situation".
Thats the reason revelations are superior in any large scale fight.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.07.18 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Hyveres
As a friend of mine once told me.. "You cannot put a price on never having to reload in a laggy situation".
Thats the reason revelations are superior in any large scale fight.
Except that laggy situations have become a lot less laggy with the recent patches and this should only improve in the future. Besides, the rev has a number of serious problems worth taking into consideration.
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steveid
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.07.18 22:32:00 -
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this has been gone over loads. Revelation for laggy fleets - no reload. Pheonix for pos bashing - changable damage type, moros for small gang support - drone bonus.
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