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Academy CEO Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking	Posted - 2009.07.12 08:52:00 - [1] The slavers of Providence yesterday assaulted an outpost in I-NG, Immensea, owned by The Initiative alliance. Ushra'Khan handed ownership of all stations in Immensea to The Initiative 24 hours previously, and The Initiative had been busy repping shields all day before this senseless assault on their property. Various ownership maps on GalNet clearly showed the stations to be in The Initiative's hands, yet the CVA apparently left thinking they had assaulted Ushra'Khan property. This unprovoked attack led to an angry reaction by forces from AAA and ATLAS alliances, who destroyed the CVA fleet in the 2J system. Although Ushra'Khan and The Initiative were on very good terms before the incident, they had no plans before this for operating jointly together against the slavers of Providence. Since this assault took place, U'K have plegded combat support to The Initiative for both retaliatory and defensive actions against the Providence Slaverbloc. This support has been accepted. Ushra'Khan condemns this senseless violence outside of Amarrian influence, it shows the slavers for who they really are. Shame on you, CVA.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.12 09:05:00 - [2] CVA have long claimed that they have no ambition or interest in space outside of Providence and the "operation deliverance" combat area. Obviously this was a lie, and it is troubling that they would want to extend their slave built empire further into free space.
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.12 09:31:00 - [3] What nonsense. It is quite clear that The Initiative had already done a deal with the terrorists in Ushra'Khan and their -A- / Atlas masters. CVA had noted with concern that Ushra'Khan had used the collapse of Aggression alliance to sieze a number of stations in the Immensea area and as a result we decided to organise a punitive raid to punish the terrorists and demonstrate that we will not let anarchist rabble raid Holy Amarrian space without retaliation. However, in between the time we organised the operation and it getting underway, we discovered that Ushra'Khan had handed the stations they had taken to The Initiative. The Initiative. is an alliance which had already been set red for piracy against inncocent residents of Holy Amarrian Providence. As it was clear that they were working hand in hand with the terrorists we decided that we would demonstrate what happens to those who support terrorism and within a short time had captured the I-NG station which was given an appropriate name. We have no real 'territorial' ambition in the Immensea area - but we will not stand by and let it be used as a base for Minmatar terrorism. We call on The Initiative. to end their association with the Minmatar rebels and evict them from their new space. By doing so they can ensure that CVA and our loyal Holders will no longer feel the need to patrol that area to protect against the cowardly terrorists Following our capture of the station the Holy Amarrian fleet left the system and headed back towards Providence. Enroute we were intercepted by a combined fleet of -A- and allies. Initially the fight went very well and we were on the point of victory having destroyed over 60 enemy battleships when Atlas joined the fight with capitals and 60 heavy assault cruisers bring total enemy numbers in the system to over 200. This reinforcement tipped the balance decisively in our enemy's favour but the remnants of our fleet withdrew in good order after inflicting significant damage. Amarr Victor! ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services http://internetspacewars.blogspot.com/
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.12 09:40:00 - [4] Originally by: Hardin innocent residents of Holy Amarrian Providence There is no such thing. Originally by: Hardin we decided that we would demonstrate what happens to those who support terrorism That statement is just dripping with hypocrisy. --- *Let My People Go*
Academy CEO Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking	Posted - 2009.07.12 09:43:00 - [5] Propaganda, once more, from this evil slave master! A senior CVA member informed an ISD reporter they had shot an 'Ushra'Khan station', so it seems not all within your alliance are as 'wise' as you, Hardin. And even so, if you did believe it was an Initiaitve station, surely it would have been wiser to engage them in dialogue than come in with all guns blazing in a wholly unprovoked attack? Or is the 'Amarrian way' to shoot first and ask questions later? Shame on you! As for your numbers, once again the spin machine is in overdrive. But I shall not be drawn into such petty to-and-fro on Galnet - public kill records of both the AAA and ATLAS alliances should suffice to those who are curious.
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.12 09:52:00 - [6] Originally by: Academy CEO Propaganda, once more, from this evil slave master! A senior CVA member informed an ISD reporter they had shot an 'Ushra'Khan station', so it seems not all within your alliance are as 'wise' as you, Hardin. And even so, if you did believe it was an Initiaitve station, surely it would have been wiser to engage them in dialogue than come in with all guns blazing in a wholly unprovoked attack? Or is the 'Amarrian way' to shoot first and ask questions later? Shame on you! As for your numbers, once again the spin machine is in overdrive. But I shall not be drawn into such petty to-and-fro on Galnet - public kill records of both the AAA and ATLAS alliances should suffice to those who are curious. I have no idea why the ISD reporter was informed it was a UK station. It had been a UK station 24hours before. As for the kill numbers I would suggest you talk to the -A- fleet commander who confirmed over 60 battleship losses on another communications network. Quote: Loike: As Hardin mentioned, it was nowhere even close to the one sidedness it often is. As the CVA boards show, we lost around 60 battleships. The AAA board shows around 50 battleship kills. I would suggest that any neutral viewing this should make up their own mind about who is a reliable source. Someone who directly quotes an enemy and has a long established reputation for honesty and fair dealing - or someone who belongs to the most renowned forum whoring corp in the galaxy and ship mate of Butter Dog? ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services http://internetspacewars.blogspot.com/
Academy CEO Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking	Posted - 2009.07.12 09:56:00 - [7] If the public kill records of AAA or ATLAS alliance are not correct, then indeed that should be taken into consideration. Let us not however be drawn into the petty numbers debate, it is hardly important. CVA fought well, though you did not hold the field. The more pressing issue is the use of gunboat diplomacy outside of Amarrian influence. This is nothing less than shameful.
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.12 10:00:00 - [8] Edited by: Hardin on 12/07/2009 10:02:33 With regards to public kill records the fact is that so many different parties were involved that any killboard taken in isolation will present an erroneous image. I simply stated that we killed around 60 battleships. That statement has been confirmed by the -A- fleet commander. Are you accusing him of being a liar? Originally by: Academy CEO The more pressing issue is the use of gunboat diplomacy outside of Amarrian influence. This is nothing less than shameful. Nowhere is outside Amarrian influence. While Operation Deliverance is focused on Providence, low-Sec Amarrian space and parts of Catch our ultimate goal is for the entire galaxy to eventually come under the umbrella of benevolent and informed Amarrian protection. Similarly there is no hiding place for terrorists. -A-, Atlas and your new friends in Initiative should harbour no doubts that while they allow terorists to use their space to attack Amarrian interests they will be classified as enemies of Amarr and thus open to attack. ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services http://internetspacewars.blogspot.com/
MILK Monk Knights of the Silver Dawn Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.12 10:20:00 - [9] when terrorists say repeatedly something about shame... it sounds like thief shouting at others "Catch the tief!" __________________________________ I do it myyyy wayyyy... Milky Way.
Academy CEO Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking	Posted - 2009.07.12 10:23:00 - [10] Originally by: Hardin I simply stated that we killed around 60 battleships. That statement has been confirmed by the -A- fleet commander. Are you accusing him of being a liar? On the contrary, I have been trying to avoid the dreaded 'numbers debate', we all know where that leads - and instead simply stated that curious pilots can use public records of the involved parties, meaning we are spared from discussing numbers or the intricacies of a fight on here. I believe this is a more constructive approach. Originally by: Hardin Nowhere is outside Amarrian influence. This is a new stance from the CVA, is it not? Surely your interests would have been better served, by opening a dialouge with the new residents of Immensea. You make a lot of assumptions about terrorism and their relationship with the Ushra'Khan. In reality, did you even know the arrangement by which the stations were transferred to them? Did you know for certain it was peaceful? I would suggest not, but you went in with guns blazing regardless. Like most Amarrians, you make too many assumptions, which stems your races arrogance no doubt. But fear not, you will find freedom at the end of our autocannons!
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.12 10:33:00 - [11] Originally by: Academy CEO This is a new stance from the CVA, is it not? Surely your interests would have been better served, by opening a dialouge with the new residents of Immensea. It is not a new stance. Maybe you have not heard it before but I assure you that if you dig back through my historical CVA pronouncements you will find it. As for your second point - maybe. It is hard to know in these cases. The fact remains however that they were already working with terrorists and they were already red to us for piratical actions in Providence. If they were really interested in good relations they also had the option to open a dialogue. The Initiative. now realise how serious we are in our anti terrorist approach and what kind of force we can bring to bear. Maybe this will make them realise the folly of allying with terrorists... ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services http://internetspacewars.blogspot.com/
Maximillian Nullium New Eden Sheep Cloning Labs CERBERUS INDUSTRIAL ALLIANCE	Posted - 2009.07.12 10:54:00 - [12] If god is with us, Who can be against us? Why our are people of amarr so hated in the hearts of the nonbelievers? God smiled upon us and lead us to salvation and to a promised land of beauty and greatness. We must lead by example and punish the infidels that trespass in our land and want to defile our god. Providence is such a beautiful place and smiled upon by god. We are rightfully owed slaves as they should bring the people of god true wealth. Those unpure minmatars can watch from our pure example at our feet and maybe understand why god loves us so. If god is with us, Who can be against us?
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.12 10:55:00 - [13] Originally by: Maximillian Nullium If ... --- *Let My People Go*
Equinox Daedalus Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.12 11:07:00 - [14] I do find it amusing that Ushra Kloak are so worried about cva "taking" more of thier outposts they quickly handed it over to another alliance just to make sure that they wouldn't have it happen. Tragically Holy Amarrian Providence is in thier heads, and fear is in thier hearts. Worry not UK, we come for your peoples soon enough. The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close too the sun
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.12 11:22:00 - [15] How could assaulting a force that has a good relationship with terrorists ever constitute an "unprovoked" assault? Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
MILK Monk Knights of the Silver Dawn Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.12 11:26:00 - [16] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri How could assaulting a force that has a good relationship with terrorists ever constitute an "unprovoked" assault? Of course, it is nosence spread by terrorists and their loyalists. "Preventive" is correct. __________________________________ I do it myyyy wayyyy... Milky Way.
Ugleb Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.12 11:48:00 - [17] Originally by: Hardin CVA had noted with concern that Ushra'Khan had used the collapse of Aggression alliance to sieze a number of stations in the Immensea area and as a result we decided to organise a punitive raid to punish the terrorists and demonstrate that we will not let anarchist rabble raid Holy Amarrian space without retaliation. We stepped in to secure a rapidly destabilising allied region until order could be properly restored. Afterall, just because the capsuleers running the place were deparing, there were many thousands of colonists now left unprotected in an increasingly volatile deep space region plagued by the Angel Cartel. While there we made sure to inspect all facilities for any evidence of slave trading being conducted. Finding no clear signs of such activity in the former Aggression holdings, we handed control of all facilities over to the incoming residents of The Initiative. As for 'nowhere being beyond Amrrian influence', well, what less does anyone expect from an Amarrian? The Journal; Walking The Road To liberation
Jonathan Ryaul Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.12 11:50:00 - [18] Originally by: Equinox Daedalus I do find it amusing that Ushra Kloak are so worried about cva "taking" more of thier outposts they quickly handed it over to another alliance just to make sure that they wouldn't have it happen. Is jumping to wild assumptions part of the teachings, or just something you've cultivated personally?
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.12 12:08:00 - [19] CVA, I find it comical that you feel that our relationship with The Initiative was a strong bond before your unwarranted attack. CVA's diplomacy and intelligence seems to be sorely lacking these past months. The initiative and u'k had a common understanding and a temporary blue status, subject to review in the coming weeks. Following on from this attack by CVA and a continuing attack by a skirmish force from Libertas Fidelitas later that same evening, we are now in discussions about how we can deal with the aggressors in the Providence bloc moving forwards. I would like to thank CVA for a great piece of diplomacy. Honestly, you've made my job far easier by showing your true colours straight away.
Equinox Daedalus Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.12 12:28:00 - [20] Jonathan, I'd hardly say such. Just years of fighting against the fearful. I'm amused by the fact that its UK slaves crying here initally rather then those who have been shot at by cva. If the Initiative which to have diplomatic talks with CVA i'm sure we would always be open to such items. Clearly my point remains that every UK pilot has this small, worrysome itch in the back of thier head everytime the see a CVA pilot in local. Call it whatever you like, but fear it will be. As for Sapphrine's comments: We never assumed as much. There never was much mention as to your and thier relationship, besides the fact that they seemed to have only a few shots fired against you. However since it does seem that you and they are in a temporary agreement it doesn't seem to be much more different than we thought. The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close too the sun
Nur AlHuda Amarr Callide Vulpis	Posted - 2009.07.12 12:44:00 - [21] I would be interested also just for comedy value how much isk was lost in the process of transfering stations. As we know Ushras are not peace loving free asset redistibution people so The Initiative had to pay some couple of bilions for the stations and now i can imagine they are without those stations and also without money. So the irony is great indeed. They made deals with terrorists and now they are homless and without money.
Saihras Gallente The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2009.07.12 12:45:00 - [22] Known terrorist and pirates trying to lie and spin the truth so the good people of providence look like the bad guys.
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.12 13:05:00 - [23] Originally by: Equinox Daedalus As for Sapphrine's comments: We never assumed as much. There never was much mention as to yours and thier relationship, besides the fact that they seemed to have only a few shots fired against you. However since it does seem that you and they are in a temporary agreement it doesn't seem to be much more different than we thought. Easy to say after the fact that which you 'thought' to be correct as being so. As a matter of fact, free of presumption and conjecture, our relationship with The Initiative was remarkably fresh. Thanks to our natural enemy a new ally is born. Cheers. Jump Bridges? **** idea.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.12 13:10:00 - [24] Originally by: Nur AlHuda I would be interested also just for comedy value how much isk was lost in the process of transfering stations. As we know Ushras are not peace loving free asset redistibution people so The Initiative had to pay some couple of bilions for the stations and now i can imagine they are without those stations and also without money. So the irony is great indeed. They made deals with terrorists and now they are homless and without money. I'm sorry but what?! I'd imagine little to no isk of any consequence has been lost by anyone. Tbh the only noteable loss occured when the CVA fleet was engaged and that ended up with CVA having to withdraw so I think we can draw a line there. You seem to be labouring under a delusion that Initiative are out of pocket / without space...
Amandi Casimi Amarr Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.12 15:34:00 - [25] Originally by: Sapphrine I'm sorry but what?! I'd imagine little to no isk of any consequence has been lost by anyone. Tbh the only noteable loss occured when the CVA fleet was engaged and that ended up with CVA having to withdraw so I think we can draw a line there. You seem to be labouring under a delusion that Initiative are out of pocket / without space... I find it comical here that the slaves themselves could not muster up any resistance to our fleet, but rather they had to call upon their masters to do so. ------------------------- Let neutrals be neutrals.
Academy CEO Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking	Posted - 2009.07.12 15:51:00 - [26] Originally by: Amandi Casimi I find it comical here that the slaves themselves could not muster up any resistance to our fleet, but rather they had to call upon their masters to do so. Shouldn't you be directing this at The Initiative? It was their assets you shot.
Arakidias The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.12 16:01:00 - [27] Originally by: Amandi Casimi I find it comical here that the slaves themselves could not muster up any resistance to our fleet, but rather they had to call upon their masters to do so. That is, after all, why they are slaves.
Kazzzi Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.12 16:02:00 - [28] Originally by: Amandi Casimi I find it comical here that the slaves themselves could not muster up any resistance to our fleet, but rather they had to call upon their masters to do so. The only thing comical here is the desparate grasping of straws for a reason to say "Amarr Victor". I hope the Empress chastises you thoroughly for your failure.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.12 16:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Amandi Casimi I find it comical here that the slaves themselves could not muster up any resistance to our fleet, but rather they had to call upon their masters to do so. I find it equally comical that from this thread and certain people in it claim that victory is when ushra'khan dont defeat a pre-planned fleet from a major powerblock alone, but instead join forces with the targets of the attack and some long standing allies. Still, take your "victories" where you can fleshmerchants, im certainly looking forward for another chance to open some more slaver pods to space. We come for our people
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.12 17:06:00 - [30] It is more amusing that you think we HAD to do anything. You didn't come to attack us, you attacked The Initiative. We had a couple pilots involved in the fight because they were there but as far as I can tell, u'k's actual involvement was minimal. Suprisingly enough we had better things to do than attempt to be prescient to predict that CVA will attack an unaligned entity because they might possibly have standings to u'k but you can't really be sure. CVA would do well to just admit they screwed up this time and move forwards. This appauling self justification is just embarassing to watch.
DeadDuck Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.12 21:09:00 - [31] Originally by: Sapphrine It is more amusing that you think we HAD to do anything. You didn't come to attack us, you attacked The Initiative. We had a couple pilots involved in the fight because they were there but as far as I can tell, u'k's actual involvement was minimal. Suprisingly enough we had better things to do than attempt to be prescient to predict that CVA will attack an unaligned entity because they might possibly have standings to u'k but you can't really be sure. CVA would do well to just admit they screwed up this time and move forwards. This appauling self justification is just embarassing to watch. Unaligned entity ? So you give away this kind of assets to not alligned entity's ??? Is this a new UK policy ?? Or you just received orders from higher levels to do it? If that's the case I can undertsnd why you had better things to do, after all it wasn't your decision... embarassing isn't it ? [url=http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/view/player-DeadDuck-kills.html][/url] [b]_______
Ugleb Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.12 21:41:00 - [32] Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Sapphrine It is more amusing that you think we HAD to do anything. You didn't come to attack us, you attacked The Initiative. We had a couple pilots involved in the fight because they were there but as far as I can tell, u'k's actual involvement was minimal. Suprisingly enough we had better things to do than attempt to be prescient to predict that CVA will attack an unaligned entity because they might possibly have standings to u'k but you can't really be sure. CVA would do well to just admit they screwed up this time and move forwards. This appauling self justification is just embarassing to watch. Unaligned entity ? So you give away this kind of assets to not alligned entity's ??? Is this a new UK policy ?? Or you just received orders from higher levels to do it? If that's the case I can undertsnd why you had better things to do, after all it wasn't your decision... embarassing isn't it ? I assume you are not aware that Immensea was conquered from UNL by ATLAS awhile back who then installed Aggression as inhabitants? We stepped in to secure the area as Aggression were falling apart and handed over to The Initiative as they arrived on ATLAS's invitation. As it turned out that only took a few days. It is remarkable how complicated some people can make a simple transition. As I said earlier, we stepped in to secure the area and restore order, checked out the facilities for any suspect behaviour and left in good time. We could have simply watched the Angel Cartel step in to cause trouble as they are currently doing elsewhere but instead we used our resources to provide a steadying hand. We have found the expedition to be a worthwhile one. The Journal; Walking The Road To liberation
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.12 21:55:00 - [33] Originally by: Sapphrine CVA would do well to just admit they screwed up this time and move forwards. This appauling self justification is just embarassing to watch. Actually I'm finding the lack of insight displayed by CVA quite entertaining. --- *Let My People Go*
Will1892 Caldari Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.07.12 22:02:00 - [34] Originally by: Ugleb I assume you are not aware that Immensea was conquered from UNL by ATLAS awhile back who then installed Aggression as inhabitants? We stepped in to secure the area as Aggression were falling apart and handed over to The Initiative as they arrived on ATLAS's invitation. As it turned out that only took a few days. It is remarkable how complicated some people can make a simple transition. As I said earlier, we stepped in to secure the area and restore order, checked out the facilities for any suspect behaviour and left in good time. We could have simply watched the Angel Cartel step in to cause trouble as they are currently doing elsewhere but instead we used our resources to provide a steadying hand. We have found the expedition to be a worthwhile one. The innocent people of the immensea region have been forced to endure one tyrant after another, would the angel cartel really be any different? I'm certain that the Initiative wasn't democratically elected to serve the best interests of the people, instead they seek to exploit them. No doubt your "steadying hand" was responsible for the butchering of thousands of innocent civillians who practice the amarr faith throughout the immensea region before handing them off onto the next wave of terrorists and pirates. Providence does not work in this way, we merely guide the local populous to have a better understanding of god and assist them on the path of enlightenment. Perhaps one day you will join your ammatar brothers and kneel before the righteous fury of our god.
Academy CEO Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking	Posted - 2009.07.12 22:11:00 - [35] Although it was not an entireless selfless move on the part of U'K, many of our pilots benefited financially from the firesales in the stations. Babysitting the region for a short time certainly came with agreeable fringe benefits.
Equinox Daedalus Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.12 23:27:00 - [36] Amusing none the less: We shot the Outpost because we COULD. I'm sure there is no love lost between CVA, -A-, Atlas, or thier servants of twilight. Even more amusing is that someone "not" of UK wants to speak "for" UK. I guess butters and other "reliable" UK mouthpeices are off on a retreat to better themselves. In fact many cva were quite happy to see you gain space, but I guess those "Higher-Ups" you cow too didn't seem to think you could handle it. Tragically its just more UK lost outposts at the end of the day. Just a shame it wasn't to CVA this time. Amarr Victor none the less. I guess God in his infiite wisdom has shown that even He knew it was an abomination. The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close too the sun
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.12 23:48:00 - [37] Edited by: Hardin on 12/07/2009 23:49:08 Originally by: Poreuomai Actually I'm finding the lack of insight displayed by CVA quite entertaining. Makes a change - usually I think the same thing about UK. Your ability to win friends and influence people is legendary... The CVA is an Amarrian alliance which has welded together pod pilots, corporations and alliances of all races in common cause for the benefit of the Empire. As far as I can tell Ushra'Khan can't even get along with their fellow Minmatar terrorists. However maybe you are right - maybe my insight is lacking. After all I still have no idea about the strategic and diplomatic thinking which led Ushra'Khan to recruit ButterDog and his misbegotten corporation. The diplomatic reasoning behind that decision is so far beyond me that I have begun to doubt my own cognitive capabilities. ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services http://internetspacewars.blogspot.com/
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2009.07.13 03:01:00 - [38]
Nur AlHuda Amarr Callide Vulpis	Posted - 2009.07.13 09:26:00 - [39] Edited by: Nur AlHuda on 13/07/2009 09:27:16 That will nobody believe that the transfer of stations was selfless act not including any money or future favours. Then the Initiative should be happy about it couse they didnt loose a single cent which they arent that means they lost more that they wanted and the op post is prime example of emo posting. I would be also interested to know when will Ushra give their next free give away stations couse it would be historicaly first time when some alliance give gifts in form of stations completly free without any future favours.
Academy CEO Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking	Posted - 2009.07.13 09:41:00 - [40] Originally by: Hardin However maybe you are right - maybe my insight is lacking. After all I still have no idea about the strategic and diplomatic thinking which led Ushra'Khan to recruit ButterDog and his misbegotten corporation. The diplomatic reasoning behind that decision is so far beyond me that I have begun to doubt my own cognitive capabilities. Of course, U'K should base their recruitment policy on who you like and approve of. That makes a lot of sense. I know that U'K recruiting capabable organisations with logistical and capital muscle must pain you, Hardin, but really. Lay off the vitoc - your comedowns are making you a little bitter around the edges As for the rest of the CVA comments about U'K and space holding. You clearly have no idea what agreements have been reached, and between whom, so do carry on grasping at straws. It is an amusing spectable, to be sure.
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.13 09:48:00 - [41] Originally by: Sapphrine CVA would do well to just admit they screwed up this time and move forwards. This appauling self justification is just embarassing to watch. Well, i find it Amusing to a certain extend. At least until the mantra starts to repeat within here, which quickly becomes boring. Nobody is perfect, and everyone claiming "i am perfect" loses credibility fast. CVA>We dont screw up ..yeah right Hardin keep it coming recruiting -forum
Niding Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.13 10:58:00 - [42] Perfection or not is not the issue here. The targetting computer showed The Initiative red on overview and as such their ships and assets are targets regardless of surrounding circumstances. A peek into the KOS records shows them as criminals (as pointed out before), so its not a matter of faulty calibration of the onboard computers.
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.13 14:25:00 - [43] Edited by: zoolkhan on 13/07/2009 14:32:28 Originally by: Niding their ships and assets were and still are target true or not - i do think it is evident due to comments made to ISD that your fleet were assembled to our honor. despite that downlow in this news broadcast it becomes clear that on 9th already (4 days back from now and before your attack) we already made clear that our task in immensea was merely for training purpouses. Save to assume you have just missed the news line and then quickly changed your task, as you had to entertain your pilots after arriving somewhat... 'late' :-) for what initially was to begin as: Quote: a punitive raid to punish the terrorists and demonstrate that we will not let anarchist rabble raid Holy Amarrian space without retaliation. Save also to assume you will not repeat this attack(can i call it mistake in this context?) onto the initiative assets anytime soon - them beeing red or no. Because you and me know you could not deal with the echo.
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.13 14:57:00 - [44] Originally by: zoolkhan Save also to assume you will not repeat this attack(can i call it mistake in this context?) onto the initiative assets anytime soon - them beeing red or no. Because you and me know you could not deal with the echo. It is never safe to assume anything Zoolkhan If Ushra'Khan continue to base from Immensea then I have no doubt you will continue to see CVA visit the area in the same way that we regularly visit F4R and other terrorist hangouts in -A- space. As I said before there can be no safe hiding place for terrorists. We are unconcerned about any 'echo' in the same way that we are unconcerned about the constant 'storm' which threatens to blow us away all the time. If it happens, it happens - but until then we will continue to do our holy Amarrian duty by destroying all threats to the empire. ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services http://internetspacewars.blogspot.com/
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.13 15:16:00 - [45] So an announcement mistakenly accusing CVA of an "unprovoked" attack (no attack against any CVA red can be considered "unprovoked" as we must, by the very nature of our rules of engagement, be "provoked" into setting an organization red) becomes a discussion of a CVA mistake. I suppose we could just leave it at "CVA attacked one red, hoping it was another, and the 'other' ran to the public spouting falsehoods."
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.13 17:11:00 - [46] You'd gain more respect if you just admitted to making a mistake , it is widely known within Providence (yes I have friends inside the provi block) it was a genuine mistake thinking it was in fact a U'K op . Heads are shaking at your continuous denial as we speak Hardin , if I was you I,d just hush now , before you give me and my friends more ammunition . We do seem to be recruiting , and recieving more volunteers on a daily basis from Providence to help us in our efforts . Wonder why that is
Spoon Thumb Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.13 17:18:00 - [47] Can't say I agree with any of the assessments made in this post Op was called to attack U'K. The stuff about The Initiative. was incidental. Wider issue is that U'K has neither the trust from, nor the rent money to pay, its masters' to control of any part of immensea over an alliance who hitherto have seemingly no connection nor record of loyal service to -A- Either that or U'K are lacking in the ambition and/or balls to go it alone. (And no offense to Atlas, but -A- put them where they are and -A- remain the real power in the region)
Spoon Thumb Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.13 17:25:00 - [48] Originally by: Conlin You'd gain more respect if you just admitted to making a mistake , it is widely known within Providence (yes I have friends inside the provi block) it was a genuine mistake thinking it was in fact a U'K op . Heads are shaking at your continuous denial as we speak Hardin , if I was you I,d just hush now , before you give me and my friends more ammunition . We do seem to be recruiting , and recieving more volunteers on a daily basis from Providence to help us in our efforts . Wonder why that is And if you must know, we knew about the status of the OP before the fleet was assembled. FC decided to play it by ear and decision was made to attack the OP anyway since U'K were heavily active in the system and clearly still using it as a base
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.13 17:36:00 - [49] Originally by: Conlin You'd gain more respect if you just admitted to making a mistake , it is widely known within Providence (yes I have friends inside the provi block) it was a genuine mistake thinking it was in fact a U'K op . Heads are shaking at your continuous denial as we speak Hardin , if I was you I,d just hush now , before you give me and my friends more ammunition . Friends? Spies more like Conlin. If you truly had friends in Providence then you would have known that while the op was organised when it was a UK Outpost, we were well aware that it had changed hands before the fleet left Providence and this was made very clear on our internal communication channels. The fact is Conlin I am very sick with your continual 'I know all about you' bull****. We all know that you have spies in Citadel channel in direct contravention of various 'non-spying' agreements. You have made that very clear with several very obvious public gaffes which hurried editing could not cover up. The only reason we haven't made a fuss about is that it is now very clear that other senior UK members are playing the same game and that we can not expect any better. So stop with the lies. If you have intel then its coming not from friends but from paid informants. ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services http://internetspacewars.blogspot.com/
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.13 18:11:00 - [50] I,m sorry I hit a nerve there Hardin Spies ? , sorry , but you are so far from the truth , if it hit you square in the face you'd still not recognise it for what it is . The friends I speak of are those that have reached mutual blue standings after cutting the apron strings from there masters in Providence . No apologies are recquired Hardin , not the first time you got it wrong , no less than I expected . And if you knew so much about the outpost not being ours , why were so many Provi Block issued bragging rights on the fact you hit it ?.
Hardin Amarr Triumvirate Maximus	Posted - 2009.07.13 18:15:00 - [51] Your post and your logic makes no sense terrorist... ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services http://internetspacewars.blogspot.com/
Kintaki Khan	Posted - 2009.07.13 18:17:00 - [52] take it to a private chat room pls.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.13 18:33:00 - [53] So Conlin's informants, people who may have every reason to slander the CVA anyway, are giving Conlin information that serves precisely that purpose. That's good stuff. Entirely convincing, if I may say so.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.13 18:50:00 - [54] Isn't that always a problem with informants? --- *Let My People Go*
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.13 19:03:00 - [55] Originally by: Garreck may I did say squarely in the face Hardin
Tizian Enel Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.13 19:34:00 - [56] Originally by: Equinox Daedalus We shot the Outpost because we COULD. ... Amarr Victor none the less. I guess God in his infiite wisdom has shown that even He knew it was an abomination. First shoot, then ask god if it was the right thing to do? Or.. this time even god, not just CVA, agreed with what you did?
Commanders Heaven Gallente Nex Exercitus	Posted - 2009.07.13 22:34:00 - [57] Originally by: Hardin Your post and your logic makes no sense terrorist... The describtion of a terrorist does actually lead more towards your wievs. You use your so called religion / empire wievs to look at any agression upon friends or foes and kill innicent capsulers and civilians to justify your blood lust? I thought CVA had better controll and more dicepline than this over theyr leaders / diplomats. I have to say i am very displeased upon these statement by Cva. Cva has clearly stated that everyone is a target except those who has theyr own wievs. Clearly this can not be CVA and the providence region alliances agreement. Has Hardin been drinking again? :) It's the members who make the corp, and not the other way around...
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.13 22:43:00 - [58] You must be new here, Commanders. We are the CVA, a loyalist alliance whose singular motivation for existence and military action is the service of God and Empire. While some may view (or try to sell) that as "using our religion/empire to justify our bloodlust," it's certainly not new or a mindblowing revelation as regards CVA and our motivations. As for innocent capsuleers and civlians...you must've skipped the part where the outpost in question, whether in Ushra'Khan hands or not, was in possession of a known and recorded CVA enemy. There were no innocents involved.
Academy CEO Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking	Posted - 2009.07.13 22:46:00 - [59] Originally by: Spoon Thumb Can't say I agree with any of the assessments made in this post Op was called to attack U'K. The stuff about The Initiative. was incidental. Wider issue is that U'K has neither the trust from, nor the rent money to pay, its masters' to control of any part of immensea over an alliance who hitherto have seemingly no connection nor record of loyal service to -A- Either that or U'K are lacking in the ambition and/or balls to go it alone. (And no offense to Atlas, but -A- put them where they are and -A- remain the real power in the region) This is Galnet comedy gold. I appreciate that being stuck in your decadent slaver empire leaves you detached from events outside Providence. But really, your analysis is so inaccurate as to be comedic in nature You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, and your wild assumptions show how shockingly lacking your strategic knowledge of the wider area is. AAA were not involved in any deal over Immensea, directly or indirectly. As to who trusts whom to do what, well, you'll just have to keep your eyes on the soveriegnty map in the near future and find out, won't you, my dear slaver
Academy CEO Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking	Posted - 2009.07.13 22:50:00 - [60] Edited by: Academy CEO on 13/07/2009 22:53:12 Originally by: Hardin We all know that you have spies in Citadel channel in direct contravention of various 'non-spying' agreements. The spy agreements do not extend to the Providence alliances, who in have placed spies within U'K (our counter espionage confirms this to be the case). However, U'K have no spies within the CVA itself. U'K has broken no deal.
Commanders Heaven Gallente Nex Exercitus	Posted - 2009.07.13 23:01:00 - [61] Originally by: Garreck You must be new here, Commanders. We are the CVA, a loyalist alliance whose singular motivation for existence and military action is the service of God and Empire. While some may view (or try to sell) that as "using our religion/empire to justify our bloodlust," it's certainly not new or a mindblowing revelation as regards CVA and our motivations. As for innocent capsuleers and civlians...you must've skipped the part where the outpost in question, whether in Ushra'Khan hands or not, was in possession of a known and recorded CVA enemy. There were no innocents involved. Even though you are the CVA these recent action and agression by your alliance / empire can not bee seen as good and justified by your god and empire? You Providence reputation percists you and you are the most succesfull NRDS alliance 0.0 conquerable alliance out there. Still this station was not inn your Providence region and have not been under your controll ( as far as i know ) Do you still just pick every target inn this new region and set them red, for your Nrds to still to be able to agress and conquer this new land? How can you justify these action upon pod pilots who havent agressed themself towards the providence residence or CVA alliance? Clearly this is not what every pod pilot inn providence regions wievs and wishes with the CVA / providence residence. It's the members who make the corp, and not the other way around...
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.13 23:04:00 - [62] Originally by: Commanders Heaven How can you justify these action upon pod pilots who havent agressed themself towards the providence residence or CVA alliance? Quite simply because they have in fact "aggressed themselves" towards CVA and Providence.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.14 02:19:00 - [63] Just as a matter of curiousity, why is it coming as such an utter shock to anyone that an alliance that has since it's inception openly supported the Empire and it's policy of Reclaimation -- which calls for the subjugation of all non-Amarrian people to the will of the Amarrian Empire -- has launched an assault against a vulnerable neighbor? It seems to me far more surprising that they have held themselves back for so long than that they have launched such an assault now. For those whose entire knowledge of the Amarrian culture comes from propaganda statements, consider the commands given by their religeous texts: 'I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given.' - Book of Reclaiming 22:13, The Scriptures Is anyone unsure as to the meaning of a commandment to conquer every star in the heavens? -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
Spoon Thumb Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.14 05:41:00 - [64] Originally by: Academy CEO Originally by: Spoon Thumb etc etc AAA were not involved in any deal over Immensea, directly or indirectly. As to who trusts whom to do what, well, you'll just have to keep your eyes on the soveriegnty map in the near future and find out, won't you, my dear slaver Well since INIT's sov hasn't kicked in yet, sov map today shows 6 systems under -A- sov and 6 under Atlas sov in Immensea. You going to tell me -A- made a separate deal with Atlas to rent those moons (systems)? And you didn't answer the accusation that U'K lacks ambition. Where are you going when the tactics of the last two years have failed? Terrorism is a crime, but recruiting other criminal elements has swollen your ranks with members who couldn't give a toss about the Minmatar people beyond their supposed plight making a convenient platform for serving self interest
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.07.14 07:25:00 - [65] Correct me if I'm wrong but arn't The Intiative red to CVA anyway (Definatly prior to the event in the OP) for killing in Providence?
Equinox Daedalus Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.14 09:10:00 - [66] Originally by: Suitonia Correct me if I'm wrong but arn't The Intiative red to CVA anyway (Definatly prior to the event in the OP) for killing in Providence? Wow the 1st bit of common sense from a non-cvaer. Thank you suitonia : ) UK. It does seem to me that your just pointing this out to cover your own inablitlies as an alliance to hold space from 'we didn't want that space anyways' to 'we were just holding it for someone' or my favorite 'you have no idea on the deals we have made.' Congraulations for 'not wanting that space anyways' I'm sure i'd deploy death stars and random towers and shoot outposts as well if I didn't want a place to call home. I guess even your "allies" know your not fit to be a space holder. With freinds like that huzzah, I see why your hatred for the Amarr can run so deep. And as to the monkey who misqouted me......i did say that even God must think that UK outposts are a blight against all that is good, since you no longer have them. Not that have a direct line stating such. The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close too the sun
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.14 09:12:00 - [67] Edited by: Poreuomai on 14/07/2009 09:17:05 You STILL think we were trying to take SSI's space all those months ago??? I suspect that just about anyone who has ever known someone who had once thought about joining a corp which had members who in the deep distant past had comitted piracy is potentially on their red list. --- *Let My People Go*
Equinox Daedalus Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.14 09:36:00 - [68] Originally by: Poreuomai Edited by: Poreuomai on 14/07/2009 09:18:02 You STILL think we were trying to take SSI's space all those months ago??? Suitonia, I suspect that just about anyone who has ever known someone who had once thought about joining a corp which had members who in the deep distant past had comitted piracy is potentially on their red list. I didn't mention the SSI outpost. Don't think you would want assets so close to the greater providence capital fleet. much like you did with sylph and others, you tried to wedge them between us and you, and they couldn't handle that. The same thing happened to Imperial Order. I know yoru going to say "if we wanted it we would of etc etc" or you'll say "we didn't want that space anyways"...i know. clearly I've heard the matra spouted enough. I'll just say "yes we know you didn't want that space anyways". just like everyone else before. Maybe if you fought "for" something rather than "against" the amarr you might become more succesful. Tragically I feel kind of bad for you lot. Maybe god will let you see the light some day. And as per the "kos" standings....they are changed when we are approached by the offending parties. If we can come to a resonable solution to avoid futher incidents then we do such. Its not generally our job to reach out to ppl who cause problems for us. We are public enough and i'd say more than half of eve knows about our policies. The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close too the sun
Academy CEO Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking	Posted - 2009.07.14 09:41:00 - [69] Originally by: Spoon Thumb 1) Well since INIT's sov hasn't kicked in yet, sov map today shows 6 systems under -A- sov and 6 under Atlas sov in Immensea. You going to tell me -A- made a separate deal with Atlas to rent those moons (systems)? 2) And you didn't answer the accusation that U'K lacks ambition. 3) Where are you going when the tactics of the last two years have failed? Foolish, ignorant slaver. I can see you are struggling to grasp the situation, and your assumptions are sending you into a spiral of confusion, so I have broken down your transmission into three main points. 1) When Aggro collapsed there was an opportunistic rush for cadmium, driven by individuals and corporations, but not sanctioned on an alliance level. There was no 'deal' between anyone other than an understanding that this would be a temporary state. It was simple opportunism, driven at an individual corp/pilots. The moons are profitable for individuals, but not big enough to involve a lot of top-level political discussion between two very rich and powerful alliances. If you had any grasp of reality, you could have worked this out yourself. 2) If your question is 'does U'K lack ambition', the answer is 'no' 3) Failed to do what, exactly? U'K moved to lowsec a few years ago, after 9UY, and then onto Curse. At that point the alliance had barely 300 pilot members, and very few friends. Move to the present day, and we see an alliance of nearly 800 pilots, taking part in joint operations with new friends and allies. Every step forward since the dark days of losing 9UY has been a positive step in the growth and rehabilitation of U'K. A number of a very smart political moves, have left U'K in the position of being able to call upon the help of powerful allies when static assets are threatened, and to offer the same help in return. Your allies know that to their cost. That U'K survived losing their space almost 3 years ago, and have gone on to rebuild their strength to a point where, right now, U'K are stronger than they have ever been, is a testament to the alliance. And your comments about 'failure', when set against these facts, lead me to believe you would to open your eyes and think before hitting the 'transmit' button on Galnet.
Niding Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.14 10:08:00 - [70] Seems to wander off topic; Quote: CVA assault new owners of Immensea, in unprovoked attack is the headline if this communication. Its been adressed several times by Equi, and once by me; Quote: The targeting computer showed The Initiative red on overview and as such their ships and assets were and still are targets regardless of surrounding circumstances. A peek into the KOS records shows them as criminals (as pointed out before), so its not a matter of faulty calibration of the onboard computers. This answers the original post. Will be my last post on the topic as it doesnt seem to sink in.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.14 11:18:00 - [71] It is not possible to launch an unprovoked attack against a long standing enemy? --- *Let My People Go*
Spoon Thumb Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.14 12:46:00 - [72] 2) and 3) weren't separate points. The implication was that your tactics aren't working and that your recruitment policies that have allowed you to rebuild numbers wise since 9UY have locked into the Anti-Providence course, one that will always leave you in the shadows of "those dark days" Originally by: Equinox Daedalus Maybe if you fought "for" something rather than "against" the amarr you might become more succesful. This is perhaps a better way of putting what I was getting at
Ottom Ephesianos Amarr Mirkur Draug'Tyr	Posted - 2009.07.14 13:00:00 - [73] Originally by: Hardin Your post and your logic makes no sense terrorist... ...calling a freedom fighter a terrorist does not make sense either. --------------------------------- "Trust me I've done this before." Elite R. Ephesianos ---------------------------------
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.14 14:05:00 - [74] Originally by: Spoon Thumb Originally by: Equinox Daedalus Maybe if you fought "for" something rather than "against" the amarr you might become more succesful. This is perhaps a better way of putting what I was getting at We fight for freedom. For everyone.
Calypso's Wrath Mad Bombers Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.14 18:04:00 - [75] You would think that CVA would put forth that effort towards securing Providence than worrying about Immensea. Instead they waste resources on a new entity in the area. Good job CVA, way to be there for your pets.
Academy CEO Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking	Posted - 2009.07.14 21:02:00 - [76] Originally by: Spoon Thumb your recruitment policies that have allowed you to rebuild numbers wise since 9UY have locked into the Anti-Providence course, one that will always leave you in the shadows of "those dark days" CVA would do well to consider it's own recruitment policies before making comments about others. I do not see a strong tradition of recruiting historically loyal Amarrian corporations, especially not in the latter years. U'K recruit those who wish to fight for freedom. Not a single corporation in U'K does not have an extensive history fighting alongside them, or fighting against slavery. Take my associate corporation as an example - WEDIE have fought alongside U'K for over three years, including the defense of POS which first claimed sovereignty in 9UY before the outpost was laid. Are you suggesting that the recruitment of an organisation with such a deep and loyal history with U'K, should not be within it's ranks? Like most Amarrians, your assumptions and accusations have little basis in logic or fact.
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.07.16 23:37:00 - [77] Edited by: Invelious on 16/07/2009 23:37:28 So I watched the the first statement in regards to what happened, didnt bother with the rest of the crap because frankly, Academy CEO, you exhibit the signs of a mental defect at his finest.
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2009.07.17 00:10:00 - [78] Originally by: Invelious Edited by: Invelious on 16/07/2009 23:37:28 So I watched the the first statement in regards to what happened, didnt bother with the rest of the crap because frankly, Academy CEO, you exhibit the signs of a mental defect at his finest. /agree well not on the mental defect bit but about needing only to read the first post and know that it was a host of malarkey. almost no group in this cluster and bank on their same if the coin is truth, CVA is one of them. their word has time and again been proven correct and above reproach. of course I am a masochist so I did read on and yeah...its obvious. Reap what you sow. When you act there are consequences. Deal with it. I suggest using gun turrets and missile ports, that is always a good way to settle arguments (though IÆd be careful doing so to the CVA).
Academy CEO Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking	Posted - 2009.07.17 09:47:00 - [79] Originally by: Invelious Edited by: Invelious on 16/07/2009 23:37:28 So I watched the the first statement in regards to what happened, didnt bother with the rest of the crap because frankly, Academy CEO, you exhibit the signs of a mental defect at his finest. This eloquent and well argued transmission has convinced me of the error of my analysis. Or not.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.17 13:08:00 - [80] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss almost no group in this cluster and bank on their same if the coin is truth, CVA is one of them. their word has time and again been proven correct and above reproach. I think you'll find that hardins reputation for having an element of truth and a lot of top spin might be somewhat more what CVA are know for in that regard. I'd have thought a pilot who's eye's had been opened enough to leave the amarrian nest egg of providence and join up with the good pilots of Star Fraction would have a more open view of CVA spin.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.17 14:53:00 - [81] Originally by: Sapphrine I think you'll find that hardins reputation for having an element of truth and a lot of top spin might be somewhat more what CVA are know for in that regard. Wowee. That's quite some statement to make in an announcement by an Ushra'Khan affiliate that CVA was conducting an "unprovoked" attack against an organization who is, in fact, guilty of raiding our region themselves.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.17 15:23:00 - [82] Originally by: Sapphrine Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss almost no group in this cluster and bank on their same if the coin is truth, CVA is one of them. their word has time and again been proven correct and above reproach. I think you'll find that hardins reputation for having an element of truth and a lot of top spin might be somewhat more what CVA are know for in that regard. I'd have thought a pilot who's eye's had been opened enough to leave the amarrian nest egg of providence and join up with the good pilots of Star Fraction would have a more open view of CVA spin. In general the word of the CVA has value. In general most other groups have no value to their words. CVA is in a very small club of Alliances who you can make an honest deal with and trust it will be fulfilled. I know this; I've been on both sides of the table. look up the Battle of Jark.
Academy CEO Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking	Posted - 2009.07.17 15:25:00 - [83] Originally by: Garreck Wowee. That's quite some statement to make in an announcement by an Ushra'Khan affiliate that CVA was conducting an "unprovoked" attack against an organization who is, in fact, guilty of raiding our region themselves. 'Proportion' might have something to do with it. Alliances generally do not send 150 man fleets to shoot at static assets, because a few people blew up a neutral hauler at some point in time. Maybe. But you're not quite sure.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.17 16:50:00 - [84] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Originally by: Sapphrine Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss almost no group in this cluster and bank on their same if the coin is truth, CVA is one of them. their word has time and again been proven correct and above reproach. I think you'll find that hardins reputation for having an element of truth and a lot of top spin might be somewhat more what CVA are know for in that regard. I'd have thought a pilot who's eye's had been opened enough to leave the amarrian nest egg of providence and join up with the good pilots of Star Fraction would have a more open view of CVA spin. In general the word of the CVA has value. In general most other groups have no value to their words. CVA is in a very small club of Alliances who you can make an honest deal with and trust it will be fulfilled. I know this; I've been on both sides of the table. look up the Battle of Jark. While in general I'm extremely skeptical of CVA's big politicians who are (in my eyes) quite wilfully deceitful in their standings imposition and misreporting of "pirate corps" - I will agree with Tomahawk that some of the CVA pilots do behave with honour and keep their word. A good example of this is represented in Garreck above who has fought duel(s)? with my cousin Jasmine where both sides honoured the terms and respected the terms of the battlefield. I consider pilots like Garreck to be misguided good men seduced by the big lie that is the Providence political consensus. Its the big-beasts of the Amarrian bloc that use deceit and falsehood to keep the rest in line. But thats how imperialist hierarchy works really - creating a structure that makes evil banal and institutionalised. Get everyone dancing to the same tune with smiling eyes and they'll never notice the band slipping in a few acts of wanton murder, regressive land-grab and dehumanizing mind control into the mix. Still you don't fight a closed system that stifles dissent and honest opinion by stiffling dissent and honest opinion amongst your own comrades. Tomahawk is a free captain now and has a right to express his opinions beside his responsibility to defend them if challenged. Free exchange of views never chained any children to a wall. (which is more than can be said of the Amarrian regime in Providence). 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.17 16:51:00 - [85] Originally by: Academy CEO Alliances generally do not send 150 man fleets to shoot at static assets, because a few people blew up a neutral hauler at some point in time. Maybe. But you're not quite sure. Alliances do not generally operate with an open border policy either. As soldiers of God, CVA are called to be unique and distinct in many ways; thank you for noticing. I can say with great certainty that CVA records show The Initiative participating in the destruction of 11 CVA vessels predating the operation under discussion. Not "maybe blew up a neutral hauler at some point but we're not quite sure." You're illustrating my point about spin accusations quite nicely, though.
Academy CEO Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Assets and Banking	Posted - 2009.07.17 18:14:00 - [86] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss In general the word of the CVA has value. In general most other groups have no value to their words. CVA is in a very small club of Alliances who you can make an honest deal with and trust it will be fulfilled. I know this; I've been on both sides of the table. look up the Battle of Jark. Business transactions and Galnet spin are two entirely different matters, and you appear to be blurring the two. I do not doubt for one second that the leadership of CVA can be trusted on their word, when it comes to brokering deals and honouring business commitments. But, equally, I know that CVA leadership heavily spin Galnet transmissions, and so take them with a generous pinch of salt. As all wise pilots should. Equally, the leadership of U'K can be trusted on their word when it comes to transactions and other agreements. These are quite seperate issues to the 'spin' accusation.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.17 18:33:00 - [87] Originally by: Academy CEO Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss In general the word of the CVA has value. In general most other groups have no value to their words. CVA is in a very small club of Alliances who you can make an honest deal with and trust it will be fulfilled. I know this; I've been on both sides of the table. look up the Battle of Jark. Business transactions and Galnet spin are two entirely different matters, and you appear to be blurring the two. I do not doubt for one second that the leadership of CVA can be trusted on their word, when it comes to brokering deals and honoring business commitments. But, equally, I know that CVA leadership heavily spin Galnet transmissions, and so take them with a generous pinch of salt. As all wise pilots should. Equally, the leadership of U'K can be trusted on their word when it comes to transactions and other agreements. These are quite separate issues to the 'spin' accusation. that is a very fair and balanced assessment, well said. I will expand that CVA reliability does not only extend to business but in fact permeates many facets of their chosen course.

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